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#1 TRJ

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

http://soldiersystem...sig-sauer-p365/

Looks interesting. Could spell trouble for competition if it proves reliable. I'll let someone else beta test it first.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:21 PM

I would like to see Count Zero include this in his pocket guns comparison database. https://www.sigsauer...ro-compact.html
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:05 PM

I can't tell, but it almost looks like it has a trigger safety in one of those pictures. It's obvious why they wouldn't draw attention to it, but if it does this would be a very attractive option for a carry gun.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:15 PM

Has it been recalled yet?

After the 320 catastrophe, and I don't just mean the drop-safe failure but the many other problems that forced them to introduce a second-gen "X" almost immediately, it's hard to take any new Sig seriously.

That comes from someone who wasted a bunch of money on a 320RX and never got good results, to be polite.  A gun no one who tried it liked.

Plus, we're still furious about the fast one Sig pulled on a number of our USPSA shooter friends with a sponsorship scam that went away about as soon as the ink was dry on the deal.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:20 PM

I’m interested for sure. I hate the g43. Seems like everyone is trying to compete harder for people’s money. Well other than glock. They just put lipstick on a pig and call it innovative! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:10 PM

Wow as if they never had seen a Glock 26. Nothing new here comparing it to shield and Glock 43. Should go wife to side with G26 or G 27

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:26 PM

10+1 and the same size as a G43? If its reliable, it deserves serious consideration. Thats impressive.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:57 PM

It's bigger than a G43 by a fair bit. More like a striker fired P239.






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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:10 PM

 

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:13 PM

It's bigger than a G43 by a fair bit. More like a striker fired P239.
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That doesnt sound bad but the double stack is probably going to be wider than a P239.

Edit: Ummm, I went to check dimensions and I see the P239 appears discontinued. I liked that gun.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:25 PM

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:27 PM

I suggested to Walther years ago that they make a double-stack magazine version of the PPS, basically using the P7M13 as an inspiration.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:27 PM

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Doesn’t look bigger than the G43 and at 1 inch thick it is slimmer by 0.08 inches.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:57 PM

I suggested to Walther years ago that they make a double-stack magazine version of the PPS, basically using the P7M13 as an inspiration.

Given how badly Walther murdered the gas delayed blowback operating system of the H&K P7 in the Walther CCP its not a gun I'd buy.

In my eyes the P7M13 is the holy grail of carry guns. I don't know why H&K won't make a polymer framed new version of it.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:47 AM

10+1 and the same size as a G43? If its reliable, it deserves serious consideration. Thats impressive.

 

I feel the same, but:

 


Unfortunately, with at least one round in every magazine on that first day, the pistol failed to completely go into battery. Initially, SIG employees told me I was limp wristing the pistol. As I was wearing gloves and it was very cold, I figured we’d see if that was actually the problem once we were inside on the second day. However, it turned out that all of the press, and a couple of SIG personnel shooting the pistol that day, experienced the same issue.

 

Does not sound good to me. The author claims later in the article that it was likely the lubricant used, but it's something I'd want to see more tests of before seriously considering.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:09 AM

10+1 and the same size as a G43? If its reliable, it deserves serious consideration. Thats impressive.

 
I feel the same, but:
 

Unfortunately, with at least one round in every magazine on that first day, the pistol failed to completely go into battery. Initially, SIG employees told me I was limp wristing the pistol. As I was wearing gloves and it was very cold, I figured we’d see if that was actually the problem once we were inside on the second day. However, it turned out that all of the press, and a couple of SIG personnel shooting the pistol that day, experienced the same issue.

 
Does not sound good to me. The author claims later in the article that it was likely the lubricant used, but it's something I'd want to see more tests of before seriously considering.

As I mentioned in my initial comment, Sig has a habit of rushing product out the door and using the first year of production to tune the guns (beta test). Sig has a deal with Lucas oil and includes it with every new gun they sell. If there was a problem with the lube you can bet they can't talk about it, which would explain why nobody knew what the gun was lubed with when it was failing in the cold. Give them a little while to refine the product. Then it's going to be a winner.
The bigger winner is us. This forces the competition back to the drawing board to match or exceed the magazine capacity, or cut a deal with a company like magguts to make/license factory magazines for existing gun designs.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:57 AM

Retail is 600$.   Whats the price going to be when it hits the online stores? Let the guessing begin..

 

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:30 AM

It's basically a micro 320. Smaller than I'd feel comfortable carrying. 


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:33 AM

 


As I mentioned in my initial comment, Sig has a habit of rushing product out the door and using the first year of production to tune the guns (beta test). Sig has a deal with Lucas oil and includes it with every new gun they sell. If there was a problem with the lube you can bet they can't talk about it, which would explain why nobody knew what the gun was lubed with when it was failing in the cold. Give them a little while to refine the product. Then it's going to be a winner.
The bigger winner is us. This forces the competition back to the drawing board to match or exceed the magazine capacity, or cut a deal with a company like magguts to make/license factory magazines for existing gun designs.

 

Every manufacturer of every product, not just guns, does this very same thing. For that reason I refuse to be an early adopter of anything. Not guns, not cars, not refrigerators. I'll wait until after the first recall before I decide to buy that item or not.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:35 AM

Interesting, but as other's have already mentioned, Sig hasn't had a great track record lately, and I'm not going to beta test this for them.  

 

If it proves to be a reliable, functioning firearm, then I'll take a look at it.  Until then, I'll just watch the Sig fanboys buy them and test them out lol.  


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:51 AM

It's basically a micro 320. Smaller than I'd feel comfortable carrying.

Explain. What part about a three finger grip and ten+1 is making you hesitant?
I could shoot a G43 okay with extended mags. Shield is okay with a seven round mag. The P290 was good with an extension magazine too. All perfectly fine within 7 yards, and acceptable within 10 as the short sight radius started to show off one's deficiencies in handling. This one seems like it would be fine too, but better due to holding more ammo.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:17 AM

 

Explain. What part about a three finger grip and ten+1 is making you hesitant?
 

Well now, the OP linked article, he says he couldn't get a full grip with the flush magazine (10+1).  He needed the extended mags for a three finger grip.

 

More than just capacity is important to me, for one.  The P365 appears to be one of the lighter in this arena.  It's 3.3 oz lighter than my PPS M2.  That is going to affect it's muzzle flip, which affects time to back on target for repeat shots, as well as accuracy.  That is the problem with the micro 9s, is they shoot like a micro 9s.  It is one of the reasons I carry the PPS M2, as it was one of the better at this of those I tried (most).  So, we will have to see how the P365 fairs in that department.  And, important in an every day carry is reliability.  As mentioned, Sig has some recent issues there, and a general issue with new releases, at first.  

 

Lastly, because it CAN take a 12 rd mag, it will be illegal as a concealed carry in some of the more idiotic jurisdictions that limit to any weapon that can not be made to fire more than 10..


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:58 AM

If it proves to be reliable it might just replace my g43 for edc. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 03:06 PM

 

It's basically a micro 320. Smaller than I'd feel comfortable carrying.

Explain. What part about a three finger grip and ten+1 is making you hesitant?
I could shoot a G43 okay with extended mags. Shield is okay with a seven round mag. The P290 was good with an extension magazine too. All perfectly fine within 7 yards, and acceptable within 10 as the short sight radius started to show off one's deficiencies in handling. This one seems like it would be fine too, but better due to holding more ammo.

 

Not hesitant but WHY? I used to carry a SC. But I can conceal a 3.9" bbl compact with 15 rounds, so why go smaller?


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:40 PM

I like my current Sig. It carries only 3 rounds less. And it's all metal. Cocked and locked. Kinda nice.

 

I haven't seen any info on the striker fired trigger pull and length, but this new one reminds me of the KelTec P-11. I'm certain the P365 (fun name) has a shorter easier pull. The P-11 is almost 4oz lighter, a little shorter and has the same capacity for likely half the cost. Mine was $190 some time ago. You might even be able to pick up a used (likely very little) .40 caliber conversion kit for the P-11 if a little suffering is up your alley!

 

I can't imagine the P365 is much fun at the range, after much experience with the P-11... But if all you were gonna do is carry it, I'd go with the P-11. It always hit the target in exactly the right spot the first time at the range. After that, such a tiny light gun was rather painful. Maybe that extra 4oz makes the difference?

 

Love to try one out.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:23 PM

Here you go....

 

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:19 PM

 

Interesting... the Sig guy in the video says that the rail is proprietary, and the Sig optics team is currently working on lights and/or lasers for the pistols. I don't like the idea of being stuck to one brand of light accessories. The price is about what I'd expect but I'll wait for it to drop.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:24 PM

Will stick with my Glocks. They work and fit what I need. Never had a Sig I liked and sure would NOT pay the outrageous prices



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:11 AM

Will stick with my Glocks. They work and fit what I need. Never had a Sig I liked and sure would NOT pay the outrageous prices

MSRP on this particular gun is about the same as most Glocks.  


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:29 PM

Seeing reports of preorders for $499. Not bad for 2 mags and night sites. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk




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