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#31 domin8

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:09 AM

A March poll from the university found that two-thirds of Illinois residents think the state is going in the wrong direction.

Yet they voted for democrats.

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Hopefully all of the Dems stay in the mess that they have voted for, instead of polluting other states


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Word from Utah is they've been polluting other states. It use to be you'd see a lot of California license plates in Salt Lake City. Now it's Illinois. This was unsolicited info from my mother a few weeks ago.

As for me, I bought 40 acres in northwest Utah for $8,000 while living in Illinois. I was never an Illinois resident, and knew the military would move us out in a few, but being in Illinois motivated me to do it. I've continued to lease it out to the rancher who was leasing from the seller just to make a little money until I decide to do something with it. Ironically, after Chicago we went to Philadelphia. My wife loved Philly so much that she wants to go back when she retires, more specifically Lancaster, PA.

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:36 AM

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You're screwed. Time to start forwarding every crime story about Philly to your wife to let her know that it's not safe. She's got to find some other location that meets her needs that isn't NYC, Chi, Phil, Boston, Seattle, DC, SF or LA. Something you can both agree on.

As for me, the pre-approval of funding for my escape cleared the bank yesterday. Going house shopping in a new freer state next week.

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 07:06 AM

Unfortunately due to business I'll be here to turn out the lights.  Maybe when we see the dem politicians head for the hills, I'll wake up and GTFO.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 07:07 AM

A factor to consider when thinking about where to relocate to is the availability of quality healthcare services. You younger guys and gals might think that this is not a major issue, but I assure you that as you age it will become a major reality for you. An acquaintance of mine bought some really remote land and built a house on it in southern Montana when he first retired from flying for a major airline. He and his wife loved being where they were, about an hour's drive from the nearest supermarket, and about two hours from the nearest decent hospital. But as the years went on and medical issues started to arise they knew that they needed to be somewhere with quicker access for emergencies. For him it turned out it didn't matter, he died of a massive heart attack. His wife struggled to sell the ranch and finally did at a big loss, and moved to a suburb of Dallas to be near family and hospitals. Originally I had talked to my wife about rural Tennessee or Kentucky for the low cost of living, but with my own serious medical history I have to accept the reality that I can't be out in the country somewhere if I want to also be able to stay alive if I have some major episode of illness or injury. Right now I'm looking at the Janesville, WI area. Close to where I live in Rockford right now, close to a daughter living near Madison, it has a decent size hospital and medical community, and it seems the cost of housing is pretty moderate compared to actually moving to the Madison area. Now I just have to convince my wife that we need to sell while it is still possible to do so and not wait until literally no one wants to buy our house in Rockford. 


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 07:19 AM

A factor to consider when thinking about where to relocate to is the availability of quality healthcare services. You younger guys and gals might think that this is not a major issue, but I assure you that as you age it will become a major reality for you. An acquaintance of mine bought some really remote land and built a house on it in southern Montana when he first retired from flying for a major airline. He and his wife loved being where they were, about an hour's drive from the nearest supermarket, and about two hours from the nearest decent hospital. But as the years went on and medical issues started to arise they knew that they needed to be somewhere with quicker access for emergencies. For him it turned out it didn't matter, he died of a massive heart attack. His wife struggled to sell the ranch and finally did at a big loss, and moved to a suburb of Dallas to be near family and hospitals. Originally I had talked to my wife about rural Tennessee or Kentucky for the low cost of living, but with my own serious medical history I have to accept the reality that I can't be out in the country somewhere if I want to also be able to stay alive if I have some major episode of illness or injury. Right now I'm looking at the Janesville, WI area. Close to where I live in Rockford right now, close to a daughter living near Madison, it has a decent size hospital and medical community, and it seems the cost of housing is pretty moderate compared to actually moving to the Madison area. Now I just have to convince my wife that we need to sell while it is still possible to do so and not wait until literally no one wants to buy our house in Rockford. 

Healthcare is part of my search parameters....how far to the nearest grocery store and hospital

I'm personally looking at nirthern AZ (snowflake, show low, seligman). Great weather, low taxes, and cheap property. Water might be an issue but I'll work around that.

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 07:32 AM

We just retired the end of May. Even bringing up the mere mention of relocating brings up the fireworks with my wife. All 6 grandkids are in Illinois. One family is 25 minutes away,the other 4 hours. i even brought up the idea of Indiana,halfway between the two. More fireworks. Looks like I'm in it for the long haul.



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Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:49 AM

A factor to consider when thinking about where to relocate to is the availability of quality healthcare services. You younger guys and gals might think that this is not a major issue, but I assure you that as you age it will become a major reality for you. An acquaintance of mine bought some really remote land and built a house on it in southern Montana when he first retired from flying for a major airline. He and his wife loved being where they were, about an hour's drive from the nearest supermarket, and about two hours from the nearest decent hospital. But as the years went on and medical issues started to arise they knew that they needed to be somewhere with quicker access for emergencies. For him it turned out it didn't matter, he died of a massive heart attack. His wife struggled to sell the ranch and finally did at a big loss, and moved to a suburb of Dallas to be near family and hospitals. Originally I had talked to my wife about rural Tennessee or Kentucky for the low cost of living, but with my own serious medical history I have to accept the reality that I can't be out in the country somewhere if I want to also be able to stay alive if I have some major episode of illness or injury. Right now I'm looking at the Janesville, WI area. Close to where I live in Rockford right now, close to a daughter living near Madison, it has a decent size hospital and medical community, and it seems the cost of housing is pretty moderate compared to actually moving to the Madison area. Now I just have to convince my wife that we need to sell while it is still possible to do so and not wait until literally no one wants to buy our house in Rockford. 

 

We got started a bit later in life with the kids so I have to consider both healthcare access (which is important as I move through he 50s and beyond) and schools. We currently live in an area that is  excellent for both (at least on paper with the education). We can go from an "A" rated school system to a B+ rated system in the Silver Lake area and probably not lose much in the overall opportunity but improve on the values side in the community.



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Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:30 PM

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You're screwed. Time to start forwarding every crime story about Philly to your wife to let her know that it's not safe. She's got to find some other location that meets her needs that isn't NYC, Chi, Phil, Boston, Seattle, DC, SF or LA. Something you can both agree on.
As for me, the pre-approval of funding for my escape cleared the bank yesterday. Going house shopping in a new freer state next week.

We're familiar with Philly. We spent 2 years out there while she was working on her masters degree at the University of Pennsylvania. We've been through northeast Philly. I've taught firearms courses in south Philly. She had a six figure job offer from a hospital in Lancaster, but had to turn it down because she owed the Navy a minimum of 4 years. That 6 figures was $40k more than the national average for her profession. Lancaster is far enough west from Philly, and fairly rural, that crime isn't an issue. She also wants to go back to Penn and teach. If she retires from the Navy at 20 years, teaching at Penn means the kids with have access to free college at an Ivy League school, and excellent healthcare via CHOP. Since she and I would both be veterans we're pretty much screwed with healthcare via the VA. It doesn't matter where we go. The other option is Salt Lake City. The University of Utah only does 1/2 price tuition for family of professors, but Penn sends medical residents to Primary Children's Hospital and there's the Huntsman Cancer Institute (which my mother was recently a patient at for lung cancer).

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:54 AM

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 12:07 PM

Doesn't matter.  We are leaving.



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Posted 26 June 2019 - 02:07 PM

In my 40 years in this state, Iâve never seen so many for sale signs. Everywhere you look someone is selling. The state could become more pro gun than Montana and that wouldnât be enough to make me stay. A bunch of mouth breathers wanted solid majorities of democrats and one as governor, and now thatâs exactly what theyâre getting, good and hard. Watch, when the progressive tax hits the ballot, people will overwhelmingly vote in favor. Then theyâll act surprised when a couple years down the road the democrats decide to lower the brackets so that taxes go up on the people who they sold the lie that taxes will only go up on the wealthy to. If you vote for democrats in Illinois, you truly are developmentally disabled.

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 06:37 PM

The disaster which is Illinois is what happens when the state government cares more about themselves and their cronies, than their constituents.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 04:27 PM

Just jumped ship and my IL house is supposed to close by July 26th.

Better schools for my kid.
Better laws for me.


Will still work 50% of time in IL

Wife has been fighting me for 10 years NOT to move because of her family. We are still the same distance from them.

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 04:35 PM

Will still work 50% of time in IL

 

At least as a non-resident you won't be paying IL income tax any longer, make sure to update those tax forms  :)


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 04:49 PM

Many years ago when I left New York State and became a Texas resident, the New York tax people refused to accept my change of residence for that year and if I recall, I lost the withholding that had been taken out of my pay during the time I worked there, but then I was never bothered again. I wonder if IL will give you any grief for tax year 2019. 


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 05:36 PM


Will still work 50% of time in IL


 
At least as a non-resident you won't be paying IL income tax any longer, make sure to update those tax forms  :)

If IL income tax is higher than the tax where you live you will have to pay the difference to Illinois. I have a coworker who moved to WI and pays both IL and WI income tax.

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 08:53 PM

Will still work 50% of time in IL
At least as a non-resident you won't be paying IL income tax any longer, make sure to update those tax forms  :)

If IL income tax is higher than the tax where you live you will have to pay the difference to Illinois. I have a coworker who moved to WI and pays both IL and WI income tax.

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When I commuted to Missouri from Ill-ANNOY years ago, Missouri took their share but I still owed Ill-ANNOY.  There were times that I worked inside St. Louis city limits which made things even worse.  The City has an "earnings tax" and Ill-ANNOY didn't give any credit for that.


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 09:20 AM

Happy Gas Tax Day!

 

How are you going to celebrate? I think I'll grill a roll of $5 bills then blow the remains up with fireworks.


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 09:40 AM

Happy Gas Tax Day!

 

How are you going to celebrate? I think I'll grill a roll of $5 bills then blow the remains up with fireworks.

I celebrated by filling up yesterday.  


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 10:11 AM

 

Will still work 50% of time in IL
At least as a non-resident you won't be paying IL income tax any longer, make sure to update those tax forms  :)

If IL income tax is higher than the tax where you live you will have to pay the difference to Illinois. I have a coworker who moved to WI and pays both IL and WI income tax.

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When I commuted to Missouri from Ill-ANNOY years ago, Missouri took their share but I still owed Ill-ANNOY.  There were times that I worked inside St. Louis city limits which made things even worse.  The City has an "earnings tax" and Ill-ANNOY didn't give any credit for that.

 

Yep, I'm still going through this.  I live in IL and work in MO.  I pay taxes to both states at tax time.



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 10:46 AM

 

Happy Gas Tax Day!

 

How are you going to celebrate? I think I'll grill a roll of $5 bills then blow the remains up with fireworks.

I celebrated by filling up yesterday.  

 

 

You , me , and a whole lot of other people. :thumbsup:  That's $1.52 the state won't get from me.  I just wish it could have been more. 



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 12:55 PM

Happy Gas Tax Day!

 

How are you going to celebrate? I think I'll grill a roll of $5 bills then blow the remains up with fireworks.

 

I think the gas stations around me played a price fixing game this last week...  About 5 days ago there was about a 25 cent jump in gas prices overnight at pretty much every gas station, seemed odd at the time knowing the tax wasn't here yet, but now that the new 19 cent tax hit today the price didn't budge up or down, not even a penny of shift in price since yesterday, hmm.

 

**From some local social media, it's not just me noticing this, apparently a handful of local gas stations have jumped up in price to over $3, but most are still holding yesterdays price of about $2.75-$2.80.


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 03:06 PM

 

Happy Gas Tax Day!

 

How are you going to celebrate? I think I'll grill a roll of $5 bills then blow the remains up with fireworks.

 

I think the gas stations around me played a price fixing game this last week...  About 5 days ago there was about a 25 cent jump in gas prices overnight at pretty much every gas station, seemed odd at the time knowing the tax wasn't here yet, but now that the new 19 cent tax hit today the price didn't budge up or down, not even a penny of shift in price since yesterday, hmm.

 

**From some local social media, it's not just me noticing this, apparently a handful of local gas stations have jumped up in price to over $3, but most are still holding yesterdays price of about $2.75-$2.80.

 

 

I know that industry well. Price fixing is typically not a thing. There's too much competition with the big price sign on the corner and consumers' fixation on gas prices. They would be very happy to steal volume (customers) from someone priced significantly higher at the expense of margin. We are seeing some tightening in the market now over fairly typical supply and demand issues. It's not all that unusual for there to be a wholesale price swing in a market of that much, which tends to be fairly universal. Though volatility has dropped off a lot in the past 5 years or so.

 

Now, when prices drop they will try to maintain the previous higher price as long as they can, but, again someone fairly quickly starts to drop prices to steal volume and everyone has to follow. 



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 03:30 PM

I know that industry well. Price fixing is typically not a thing. There's too much competition with the big price sign on the corner and consumers' fixation on gas prices. They would be very happy to steal volume (customers) from someone priced significantly higher at the expense of margin. We are seeing some tightening in the market now over fairly typical supply and demand issues. It's not all that unusual for there to be a wholesale price swing in a market of that much, which tends to be fairly universal. Though volatility has dropped off a lot in the past 5 years or so.

 

Now, when prices drop they will try to maintain the previous higher price as long as they can, but, again someone fairly quickly starts to drop prices to steal volume and everyone has to follow. 

 

 

That doesn't explain why earlier today the price of gas today at many local stations apparently did not reflect the 19 cents a gallon tax that should have happened overnight while others did in such a competitive market 

 

But, then again I'm aware that many times for corporate owned gas stations prices are only adjusted when corporate sends down the end of day market adjustment.   Maybe the lower prices were just these corporate stations slow to react to the tax change and thus didnt adjust prices until the normally scheduled end of day adjustment, while the independent stations marked up at the start of the day, that could explain why now (within give or take the last hour) the prices seem to have all stabalized to reflect the new tax. Most of the gas stations are now within pennies as expected, not the huge differences I was seeing earlier.

 

Gas where I normally buy has went from $2.76 to $3.13 in the last hour, that seems reflective of the new tax not just a market increase as it's still only $2.72 in Kenosha, WI


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 10:15 PM

Jelly Belly is already taking his bows and spending the money!!!

 

https://www.chicagot...gfgm-story.html

 

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 10:38 AM

 

I know that industry well. Price fixing is typically not a thing. There's too much competition with the big price sign on the corner and consumers' fixation on gas prices. They would be very happy to steal volume (customers) from someone priced significantly higher at the expense of margin. We are seeing some tightening in the market now over fairly typical supply and demand issues. It's not all that unusual for there to be a wholesale price swing in a market of that much, which tends to be fairly universal. Though volatility has dropped off a lot in the past 5 years or so.

 

Now, when prices drop they will try to maintain the previous higher price as long as they can, but, again someone fairly quickly starts to drop prices to steal volume and everyone has to follow. 

 

 

That doesn't explain why earlier today the price of gas today at many local stations apparently did not reflect the 19 cents a gallon tax that should have happened overnight while others did in such a competitive market 

 

But, then again I'm aware that many times for corporate owned gas stations prices are only adjusted when corporate sends down the end of day market adjustment.   Maybe the lower prices were just these corporate stations slow to react to the tax change and thus didnt adjust prices until the normally scheduled end of day adjustment, while the independent stations marked up at the start of the day, that could explain why now (within give or take the last hour) the prices seem to have all stabalized to reflect the new tax. Most of the gas stations are now within pennies as expected, not the huge differences I was seeing earlier.

 

Gas where I normally buy has went from $2.76 to $3.13 in the last hour, that seems reflective of the new tax not just a market increase as it's still only $2.72 in Kenosha, WI

 

 

Most, including those carrying a major oil brand, are not corporate owned. At least not anymore. Only a few oil companies like Chevron still have any number of company stores, and even there it tends to be fairly small numbers. For example, only about 300 out of 8000 branded sites. Of course operations like Racetrac and Kwiktrip are really now what the corporate stations were back in the day. A growing push now is to centralize pricing (setting and even changing at the sign) automatically from the central HQ because it can be challenging to get price changes rolled out in today's employment market. Just like it can be challenging to get a fast food order filled correctly. It doesn't help that many stores are leased and managed separately from the fuel so certain increases from the fuel side might be "slow" to make it to the street :)

 

In any case that tax bump is NOT going to be slight, and studies show people have a VERY intense reaction to fuel prices. The nimrods in CA seem to put up with it but I'm not so sure IL residents are all on board with the progressive dream. Aside from filling up myself, it will be fun to see the whole elections have consequences thing set in.


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Posted 02 July 2019 - 10:43 AM

 

Jelly Belly is already taking his bows and spending the money!!!

 

https://www.chicagot...gfgm-story.html

 

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All of the frickin Casino and Marijuana money will be going to new spending, not attempting to fix the existing pension gash in the HMS Illinitanic. Even if they were applied 100% from what I've read they would come up short.


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Posted 02 July 2019 - 11:16 AM

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 11:56 AM

Most, including those carrying a major oil brand, are not corporate owned. At least not anymore. Only a few oil companies like Chevron still have any number of company stores, and even there it tends to be fairly small numbers.

 

I was refering to corporate owned stations like those found at Meijer, Walmart, Sams Clubs, Costco and Thortons to name a few...


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Posted 02 July 2019 - 12:30 PM

 

Jelly Belly is already taking his bows and spending the money!!!

 

https://www.chicagot...gfgm-story.html

 

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Speaking of Jelly belly, bows, and wasting money.  Nothing I can think of better to waste money than on a boat.  Yes I already know what boat stands for:  https://www.chicagot...6mki-story.html


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