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#31 Mick G

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 05:28 AM

 

After all, "Jabba" is already under federal investigation ! :drool:
I'm a big fan of "JB the Hutt." The media seems to think it's because of his property taxes, but it ain't (can't be) for property tax fraud. That'd be state domain. FBI is more interested in...major financial crimes. And it's the whole effin' family who's under investigation. Remember, Penny was Obama's Secretary of Commerce and Trump wants to wipe Obama's name from the history books. Looks like he's gonna get his wish with what's going on now. Trump can't be indicted but Obama can be. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk

 

 

Pelosi's head would explode like in "Scanners".

I personally would like to see it but let's get real.

If they couldn't get Hillary with all they have on her

then I doubt they could ever get Obama.

If they did, wouldn't he just flee back to Kenya?



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Posted 09 June 2019 - 05:23 AM

Oh he'll try to claim Kenyan citizenship before this is all over but it won't matter as it will extradite rather than risk the wrath of Trump. Look at non-extradition countries and ones that won't extradite if the suspect will face the death penalty or extradite their own citizens. A lot of countries would be hard-pressed to not turn him over, given the gravity of his crimes. Then again a lot of countries played a role in all of this. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 09 June 2019 - 06:24 AM

Oh he'll try to claim Kenyan citizenship before this is all over but it won't matter as it will extradite rather than risk the wrath of Trump. Look at non-extradition countries and ones that won't extradite if the suspect will face the death penalty or extradite their own citizens. A lot of countries would be hard-pressed to not turn him over, given the gravity of his crimes. Then again a lot of countries played a role in all of this. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk

 

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 07:22 AM

Come on guys... Clinton and Obama have nothing to do with Illinois Dealer Licensing.

Their time has long passed.

It's Trumps turn now.

 

Back of topic...

I posted my general thoughts about this situation on Facebook yesterday.

Only love so far.
 

If the new “Illinois Gun Dealer Licensing” law was intended to put Illinois based FFLs (Federal Firearms Licensees) out of business... it seems to be working. Numerous small shops in Illinois are closing their doors before the onerous new regulations take effect. Others are relocating to neighboring states. This includes FFLs who only repair and refinish guns and do not sell them.

 

Bargains may be found at some of these shops while they liquidate inventory before July 13. If you don’t have an FOID card already... don’t bother looking for these “going out of business“ bargains. Current wait times seem to be in excess of 90 days for a new FOID, which allows you to purchase guns and ammo subject only to all federal and state laws. In addition, every FOID card is run through the Illinois database EVERY DAY. Yes... we go through a background check EVERY DAY.

 

You would think this makes Illinois the safest gun state in the US. It does not... and the silly redundant Illinois Dealer License will not add a layer of security.

 

Illinois, my Home Sweet Silly Home!

 

*If you disagree with the thought of owning or using guns and are still curious... drop me a private note and we can do some basic safety and handling training and go target shooting. A working knowledge of firearms is a really good thing to have... and yet it’s not for everyone.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 07:57 AM

 

Come on guys... Clinton and Obama have nothing to do with Illinois Dealer Licensing.

Their time has long passed.

It's Trumps turn now.

 

Back of topic...

I posted my general thoughts about this situation on Facebook yesterday.

Only love so far.
 

If the new “Illinois Gun Dealer Licensing” law was intended to put Illinois based FFLs (Federal Firearms Licensees) out of business... it seems to be working. Numerous small shops in Illinois are closing their doors before the onerous new regulations take effect. Others are relocating to neighboring states. This includes FFLs who only repair and refinish guns and do not sell them.

 

Bargains may be found at some of these shops while they liquidate inventory before July 13. If you don’t have an FOID card already... don’t bother looking for these “going out of business“ bargains. Current wait times seem to be in excess of 90 days for a new FOID, which allows you to purchase guns and ammo subject only to all federal and state laws. In addition, every FOID card is run through the Illinois database EVERY DAY. Yes... we go through a background check EVERY DAY.

 

You would think this makes Illinois the safest gun state in the US. It does not... and the silly redundant Illinois Dealer License will not add a layer of security.

 

Illinois, my Home Sweet Silly Home!

 

*If you disagree with the thought of owning or using guns and are still curious... drop me a private note and we can do some basic safety and handling training and go target shooting. A working knowledge of firearms is a really good thing to have... and yet it’s not for everyone.

 

 

It's great that you posted that on Facebook.

The problem is don't be surprised if it gets you thrown off of Facebook.

While 100% completely true, it is pro 2A.

Pro 2A and Facebook? That could be trouble eventually.



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Posted 09 June 2019 - 08:14 AM

 

 

Come on guys... Clinton and Obama have nothing to do with Illinois Dealer Licensing.

Their time has long passed.

It's Trumps turn now.

 

Back of topic...

I posted my general thoughts about this situation on Facebook yesterday.

Only love so far.
 

If the new “Illinois Gun Dealer Licensing” law was intended to put Illinois based FFLs (Federal Firearms Licensees) out of business... it seems to be working. Numerous small shops in Illinois are closing their doors before the onerous new regulations take effect. Others are relocating to neighboring states. This includes FFLs who only repair and refinish guns and do not sell them.

 

Bargains may be found at some of these shops while they liquidate inventory before July 13. If you don’t have an FOID card already... don’t bother looking for these “going out of business“ bargains. Current wait times seem to be in excess of 90 days for a new FOID, which allows you to purchase guns and ammo subject only to all federal and state laws. In addition, every FOID card is run through the Illinois database EVERY DAY. Yes... we go through a background check EVERY DAY.

 

You would think this makes Illinois the safest gun state in the US. It does not... and the silly redundant Illinois Dealer License will not add a layer of security.

 

Illinois, my Home Sweet Silly Home!

 

*If you disagree with the thought of owning or using guns and are still curious... drop me a private note and we can do some basic safety and handling training and go target shooting. A working knowledge of firearms is a really good thing to have... and yet it’s not for everyone.

 

 

It's great that you posted that on Facebook.

The problem is don't be surprised if it gets you thrown off of Facebook.

While 100% completely true, it is pro 2A.

Pro 2A and Facebook? That could be trouble eventually.

 

 

Not worried.

I won't be kicked off.

I'm a known Liberal and Trendsetter :yes: 


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 08:31 AM

Not worried.
I won't be kicked off.
I'm a known Liberal and Trendsetter :yes:


And a Hop Stoopid man too, if I remember correctly. I imagine more than a few on Facebook bow as you walk past.

I've noticed quit a few pro-gun groups that seem to be living a happy life on Facebook, IllinoisCarry included. It probably depends on how you comport yourself.  For example, staying on topic is often appreciated.



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Posted 09 June 2019 - 09:08 AM

Come on guys... Clinton and Obama have nothing to do with Illinois Dealer Licensing.
Their time has long passed.
It's Trumps turn now.
 
Back of topic...
I posted my general thoughts about this situation on Facebook yesterday.
Only love so far.
 

If the new Illinois Gun Dealer Licensing law was intended to put Illinois based FFLs (Federal Firearms Licensees) out of business... it seems to be working. Numerous small shops in Illinois are closing their doors before the onerous new regulations take effect. Others are relocating to neighboring states. This includes FFLs who only repair and refinish guns and do not sell them.
 
Bargains may be found at some of these shops while they liquidate inventory before July 13. If you dont have an FOID card already... dont bother looking for these going out of business bargains. Current wait times seem to be in excess of 90 days for a new FOID, which allows you to purchase guns and ammo subject only to all federal and state laws. In addition, every FOID card is run through the Illinois database EVERY DAY. Yes... we go through a background check EVERY DAY.
 
You would think this makes Illinois the safest gun state in the US. It does not... and the silly redundant Illinois Dealer License will not add a layer of security.
 
Illinois, my Home Sweet Silly Home!
 
*If you disagree with the thought of owning or using guns and are still curious... drop me a private note and we can do some basic safety and handling training and go target shooting. A working knowledge of firearms is a really good thing to have... and yet its not for everyone.


Facts and outreach. Nice post :)

Edited by steveTA84, 09 June 2019 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 09:14 AM

 

Come on guys... Clinton and Obama have nothing to do with Illinois Dealer Licensing.

Their time has long passed.

It's Trumps turn now.

 

Back of topic...

I posted my general thoughts about this situation on Facebook yesterday.

Only love so far.
 

If the new “Illinois Gun Dealer Licensing” law was intended to put Illinois based FFLs (Federal Firearms Licensees) out of business... it seems to be working. Numerous small shops in Illinois are closing their doors before the onerous new regulations take effect. Others are relocating to neighboring states. This includes FFLs who only repair and refinish guns and do not sell them.

 

Bargains may be found at some of these shops while they liquidate inventory before July 13. If you don’t have an FOID card already... don’t bother looking for these “going out of business“ bargains. Current wait times seem to be in excess of 90 days for a new FOID, which allows you to purchase guns and ammo subject only to all federal and state laws. In addition, every FOID card is run through the Illinois database EVERY DAY. Yes... we go through a background check EVERY DAY.

 

You would think this makes Illinois the safest gun state in the US. It does not... and the silly redundant Illinois Dealer License will not add a layer of security.

 

Illinois, my Home Sweet Silly Home!

 

*If you disagree with the thought of owning or using guns and are still curious... drop me a private note and we can do some basic safety and handling training and go target shooting. A working knowledge of firearms is a really good thing to have... and yet it’s not for everyone.

 

 

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 06:21 PM

It's not as if Clinton and Obama are from Illinois. Oh, wait...
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Posted 09 June 2019 - 06:58 PM

Naw, Pat Quinn took care of that, remember? Was supposed to fix EVERYTHING!
 
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:26 AM

I'm waiting for the state to start confiscating all private assets over 1 months salary. People don't need savings or any other form of Investments, the state will care for you. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 05:43 AM

I'm waiting for the state to start confiscating all private assets over 1 months salary. People don't need savings or any other form of Investments, the state will care for you.

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Unless you're a state government pensioner. Then you will be exempt. Why don't they just task state police with the armed robbery I mean asset seizure of "rich" people. Bust in and take artwork, cars, whatever. Auction it off to some clowns in NYC or LA. Oh wait, that's what the Nazis and Japanese did, except hoarded it.

JB the Hutt slipped up when he was talking about how all of this revenue wi be "used." He said something like "this will help us rebuild Chicago's errr Illinois' crumblimg infrastructure...."

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 11:43 AM

More Victims: Birds n Brooks - 40 + years Springfield, Illinois no more guns but will remain in business with military surplus and ammo

                         Oglesby & Oglesby Gunmakers rural Springfield - the nation's premier gunsmith on single action revolvers - closing down


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:01 PM

My home-based FFL just got driven out of business due to the new fees. Joy, now Jabba knows what I've bought for the last 4 or 5 years ...

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:52 PM

My home-based FFL just got driven out of business due to the new fees. Joy, now Jabba knows what I've bought for the last 4 or 5 years ...


Why would Jabba know? If your going out of business why share with Jabba? What are they going to do? Revoke your the license you don’t have or surrendered?


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:08 PM

My home-based FFL just got driven out of business due to the new fees. Joy, now Jabba knows what I've bought for the last 4 or 5 years ...

 

*Sigh*.   Mine as well... 


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:08 PM

FFL out of business sends records to ATF IIRC. Is there anything in state licensing that allows mass request of records from ATF?

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:17 PM

They share.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:19 PM

I would expect if the FFL closes down before getting a state license, that the state gets nothing.
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Posted 23 June 2019 - 02:18 AM

That is why I surrendered my FFL at the last compliance check. I even told the BATF agent I'd much rather the Fed's have my records than the state of Illinois. He told me many of the small dealers were going out of business. But then we all knew that already.



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Posted 23 June 2019 - 01:40 PM

How about starting a class action suite centering around being forced out of business by license fees and your biggest competitors are mostly exempt.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:15 PM

I predict in 5 years there proposed graduated income tax will have gone from $250k to $30k wage earners....i will by then have moved out of this state

As will I. Just got back from a look at property trip. Might even retire a few years early just to leave faster.

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 05:06 AM

My local West Chicago FFL guy that worked out of his family room is closing up shop.

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 07:42 AM

Would like the link or info on the "economists" and their projections as I would enjoy having one more example of how the legislature is screwing us and the state in general.
 
Any and all talking points are helpful...

 

Not exactly a link to formal projections, but a talking point ...

 

Governor Pritzker remarks after signing a $40 billion spending bill into law on June 5, 2019: We achieved something that has eluded state government for decades, we passed a real balanced budget ... Just a few years ago, simply passing a budget was considered nearly impossible, and for years before that, the budget included gimmicks and tricks and was balanced in name only. Those days are over.

 

So without gimmicks and tricks, why do they need to increase income taxes on the rich to balance a budget that is already balanced without any income tax increase?

 

 

 

Wait, wasn't the lottery supposed to do that?

 

In 1969, Richard "the Governor with guts" Ogilvie gave Illinois an income tax where there was none before.

 

That gutsy move cost him the 1972 election to Dan "the Peoples Man" Walker, who expanded horse racing, created the Illinois Lottery, raised the sales tax, and legalized bingo.

 

By the time "Big Jim" Thompson took over in 1977, they were out of money again.

 

There is NEVER ENOUGH of your money for them to spend.

 

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In 1990, the Democratic Congress forced George "read my lips" Bush to sign the (then) largest ever deficit reduction bill, among its many terms were:

- the income tax rate on individuals making over $50,000 was increased

- the wage base for Medicare was increased from $51,300 to $125,000

- a 10% tax was placed on boats, planes, furs, jewelry, and autos over $30,000

- the cigarette tax was raised from 16 to 24 cents a pack

- the federal tax on telephone calls was made permanent

- the tax on airline tickets went up from 8% to 10%

- the alcohol tax on hard liquor rose by $1 a gallon, and doubled on beer

- the gasoline tax was increased from 9 to 14 cents a gallon

- and SPENDING WAS TO BE REDUCED by $20 billion

 

That was in 1990 when the deficit was $221 billion. By 1993, the increased taxes and reduced spending "lowered" the deficit to $327 billion.

 

Less than three years later, the Democratic Congress and President Bill "I will not raise taxes on the Middle Class" Clinton passed an even larger tax increase to reduce the deficit.

 

There is NEVER ENOUGH of your money for them to spend.



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Posted 04 July 2019 - 11:38 AM


 
There is NEVER ENOUGH of your money for them to spend.


So very true! Who remember the Toll Free in â73 lie? An archived summary of the half-century Illinois Tollway scam is archived here, as the original story mysteriously does not load

https://web.archive....rchive/8327185/

Edit: Sometimes the original link works for me, sometimes it does not. Here it is:
https://abc7chicago....rchive/8327185/

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Posted 04 July 2019 - 01:55 PM

Well said Skolnick !!


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Posted 04 July 2019 - 02:50 PM

So very true! Who remember the Toll Free in â73 lie? An archived summary of the half-century Illinois Tollway scam is archived here, as the original story mysteriously does not load

 

Until 2012, the Illinois Tollway actually had the following on their Web site: A promise was made that once the bonds used to build the original 187 miles of the Illinois Tollway were paid off, the roads would become freeways. The promise was well-intentioned, but shortsighted. Tolls are necessary to cover the costs of ...



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Posted 04 July 2019 - 03:03 PM

My local West Chicago FFL guy that worked out of his family room is closing up shop.

I received that notice yesterday too. Hate to see him go.
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Posted 04 July 2019 - 05:23 PM

My local FFL in Geneva also called it quits.

Bummmer. He was 5 minutes away...

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