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Complaints about the CCL process - prints vs no prints.


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Congrats, very glad for you.

but the overdrive, never mind.

 

Overdrive for only those who paid the bribe (prints).

Yes. An extra 4 cents a day for 5 years. Kinda worth it!
It's not the money, it's the political point they are making. The no prints was in the bill for a reason and now they are getting their way by punishing people who don't abide. So 30 days approval with prints. 90+ without. (Not what the bill says). And pay for print, then next day bam "active". Is this right? Hey glad you can afford it. Some can't. Also some couldn't get to a finger print scan vender, weather, too far, ect.
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in OVERDRIVE for the rich and famous. The common person on the street is being held hostage for being poor. You know if you really look at this in a legal manner. The State of Illinois is discriminating against the poor and minorities who cannot afford the extremely high price for the training, permit and prints. But the people who can are being given preferential treatment by the ISP. The rich can apply with prints and from the way it looks get approved in a little over 30 days. The people that were just able to scrape up enough to get training and pay for permit are being held to maximal amount of time. It looks like to me the ISP is not in OVERDRIVE, but have almost run out of applications with prints. So the only thing they can do is keep approving people with prints that have just past the 30 day mark and mail the permit . Then they release a few people who are close to the 120 day mark for good measure. If I where guessing the majority of poor disadvantaged people without prints will wait till almost entire120 days before they are approved. If you read the law it says they MAY TAKE UP TO 30 more days for approval without prints. So prints are being approved at a little over 30 days after application date. So the Majority of the first applied Non-Prints are approaching the 100 day mark. It looks like to me and everyone else the Non Prints are just being held until the full 120 days have expired. So if the truth be told if you have money apply with prints, you should get your permit in a little over 30 days. If you cannot afford the prints, apply and wait 120 days and possible you might get a permit. So there is in reality there is a 90 day difference, instead of a 30 day

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We've stated on here before and the policy still holds, unless you have facts/proof to back you up, do not make statements you can't back up. You can offer your opinion but you need to state it as opinion.

 

The ISP is cranking licenses out at about 1,000 per day. If you submitted prints and are past the 90 days then there is most likely a problem with prints. If you submitted without prints then you knew you were looking at 120 days. There are various reasons some apps take longer. We have discussed them until my fingers are numb keying in the info.

 

You may have a completely clean record, but if you are in a stack of apps that are not clean and take days to clear, you will be sitting in the stack until they get through the ones filed before you. Plain and simple. Prints or no prints.

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I can't believe this is turning into a discrimination thing, Poor vs Whatever,

 

I and other's put the prints in for various reason's mine was for a common name and with that common name was a issue when my name came up in a traffic stop or TSA check this mans name along with his baggage came up as well, even know the physical description was different the name was the same.

 

So it is not a thing of money and if the poor can't afford the training or the permit fee maybe they should rethink their priorities !!!!

 

Leave discrimination out of the discussion it has NO bearing IMO

 

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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear?

 

There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear?

 

There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

So how does one person with no prints that applied on 1/5 and one person that applied on 1/6 get put in a stack separated by 60 days?

 

I would reference the facts I posted above but you have removed my post.

 

Are you maintaining that there were zero no print people approved within 60 days? They posted on this forum that they were. Its very simple. The state has slowed down the approval of no print people and that is a fact.

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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear? There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

So how does one person with no prints that applied on 1/5 and one person that applied on 1/6 get put in a stack separated by 60 days?
Because they are different people. With different applications. Maybe, well who knows.
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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear? There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

So how does one person with no prints that applied on 1/5 and one person that applied on 1/6 get put in a stack separated by 60 days?

 

Because they are not the same people.

 

Obviously not. Brothers with clean records, military veterans, same instructor. But one had his permit in 60 days, one if over 90 days under review. The state made a choice to slow down approvals of no print people on some arbitrary date. That is my opinion but I'll stand by it.

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I stated my thoughts as an opinion, and it was still taken down.

 

Who in the world, when they take an item out of a queue and process it as far as possible, simply sits back and twiddles their thumbs waiting for someone else's input before going further?

 

In the real world, once you're waiting for someone else, you take the next item in your queue and begin working on it.

 

And so on.

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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear?

 

There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

So how does one person with no prints that applied on 1/5 and one person that applied on 1/6 get put in a stack separated by 60 days?

 

I would reference the facts I posted above but you have removed my post.

 

 

 

The traffic patterns vary but as the apps come in they verified for completeness - from there there are what seems like endless paths an app can take through all the channels - once they are cleared, they all merge back into the "issue" que. Think of a very complicated freeway with dozens of on/off ramps, merge lanes, and toll booths all coming down to one lane and a deadline.

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I stated my thoughts as an opinion, and it was still taken down.

 

Who in the world, when they take an item out of a queue and process it as far as possible, simply sits back and twiddles their thumbs waiting for someone else's input before going further?

 

In the real world, once you're waiting for someone else, you take the next item in your queue and begin working on it.

 

And so on.

 

 

I do not understand your maintaining anyone is sitting back waiting on anything. I don't think you have a clear understanding of the process.

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I stated my thoughts as an opinion, and it was still taken down.

 

Who in the world, when they take an item out of a queue and process it as far as possible, simply sits back and twiddles their thumbs waiting for someone else's input before going further?

 

In the real world, once you're waiting for someone else, you take the next item in your queue and begin working on it.

 

And so on.

 

 

I do not understand your maintaining anyone is sitting back waiting on anything. I don't think you have a clear understanding of the process.

 

 

That may be true. But I also used to map processes, complicated ones, for a living and I have some idea how queues, parallel and sequential paths, and load balancing work.

 

I have an uncommon name. I have a clean record. No dismissed charges. No arrests. Nothing but maybe 6 or so incidental traffic stops spread out over 45 years. I've lived in the same location 30 years. I have no psych history. Don't drink, don't smoke, don't chew, and don't date girls that do. So how many divergent paths should my app have taken? In my book, none. Yet here I sit at 95 days.

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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear?

 

There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

It also states that you have a 90 day wait with but we are seeing 30 day turnarounds. Kinda seems disproportionate. We all know the law. I don't believe anyone sees them as breaking it, maybe more like abusing it. Mike Madigan redrafts legislative districts every year to benefit him and his party, is he really breaking a law? I'm not sure, but I'm sure we could all find instances where someone in a place of power has found a way to exploit the system, legally. We don't get the insight that some are privy to, but it's hard to believe just because someone says so, despite our high regards for that someone. Respectfully...

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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear?

 

There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

Actually, ISP pretty much told me in an email they are making me wait. They said there is no problem with my app so they are just going to sit on it until they feel like sending it out. probably on day 120. And Molly I have to respectfully disagree with the 120 days since many permits are being approved 60 days or less. If I'm not mistaken the law says 30 days extra for for those that didn't pay the ransom.

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Whew!!! Did any of you miss the part of being in different ques ("stacks" for a mental image) and having to wait behind others who are taking longer to clear?

 

There is no intentional holding back, holding up, etc. If you did not submit prints you have 120 day wait - period. If you get them sooner, hooray. Some posts will be removed from view because posters can not substantiate.

Actually, ISP pretty much told me in an email they are making me wait. They said there is no problem with my app so they are just going to sit on it until they feel like sending it out. probably on day 120. And Molly I have to respectfully disagree with the 120 days since many permits are being approved 60 days or less. If I'm not mistaken the law says 30 days extra for for those that didn't pay the ransom.
Cut and paste that email. That is amazing!!!! They said they are going to sit on it?
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.Actually, ISP pretty much told me in an email they are making me wait. They said there is no problem with my app so they are just going to sit on it until they feel like sending it out. probably on day 120. And Molly I have to respectfully disagree with the 120 days since many permits are being approved 60 days or less. If I'm not mistaken the law says 30 days extra for for those that didn't pay the ransom.

 

 

 

I want to see that email. Send me a PM if you don't want to post it here. We do not agree with the ISP on everything and we have voiced our opinions and objections but I've also seen the processs, I know how hard people there are working on this. I won't sit back and see them be slammed because some folks don't under stand the process.

 

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Not so sure why my post was removed? Fact is there were a few no prints through in the initial wave over 5 weeks ago now. Then there were none, zero, zip no prints for 4 more weeks (at least not reported here) until this week. Those are pretty much facts. With prints have gone through in as fast as 32 days or something like that now. At least from people that post here. Those parts are fact.

 

Can you not understand how those of us that are squeaky clean, uncommon names, applied at the stroke of midnight on 1/5, blah blah blah blah can't be just a wee bit peeved at the process? This is the same government with recent governors in jail. It's kind of hard right now to give a lot of benefit of doubt.

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