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#1 Kraaaken

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 08:33 AM

If you’re out of ammunition or low this is a good option for dry fire practice at home. https://www.itargetpro.com Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 09:23 AM

Kraaken,

Would it be OK to turn this into a general discussion/recommendation on various dry fire laser (or otherwise) shooting training systems? Otherwise, I can start a separate thread

iTarget looks interesting but not fond of needing a smartphone app with it although other systems do as well.

With the ammo shortage, I had been considering looking into these products and would be interested in the various thoughts, pros and cons of the different ones. Especially how they work with semi-autos as you aren't getting the slide racked and I've got some hand strength issues.

I don't mind paying for quality but I think a $495 OCAT system is out of my range.

.Dry-fire Mag
https://www.dryfiremag.com/
.LaserLyte
https://laserlyte.com/
.CheapShot Tactical Training Laser
https://cheapshot.com/
.Laser Ammo SureStrike
https://www.laser-ammo.com/
.Laser Ammo LaserPET target
https://www.laser-ammo.com/
.iTarget
https://www.itargetpro.com/
.GSight
https://www.g-sight.com/
.Mantis doesnt use a laser, but attaches to the accessory rail
https://mantisx.com/
.iDryFire
https://idryfire.com/

Others?

Edited by InterestedBystander, 10 October 2020 - 06:02 PM.

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 09:55 AM

Definitely other options out there and I think one of the drawbacks is on most of these is the fake bullet with the laser requires you to rack or partially rack the slide to reset it. I also use this with revolvers and that’s easier to rotate the cylinder back Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 12:14 PM

I start all new shooters with this combo:

 

SIRT Pistol

LASER Shot Reporter


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Posted 30 September 2020 - 10:11 PM

Kraaken,
Would it be OK to turn this into a general discussion/recommendation on various dry fire laser (or otherwise) shooting training systems? Otherwise, I can start a separate thread
iTarget looks interesting but not fond of needing a smartphone app with it although other systems do as well.
With the ammo shortage, I had been considering looking into these products and would be interested in the various thoughts, pros and cons of the different ones. Especially how they work with semi-autos as you aren't getting the slide racked and I've got some hand strength issues.
I don't mind paying for quality but I think a $495 OCAT system is out of my range.
.Dry-fire Mag https://www.dryfiremag.com/
.LaserLyte https://laserlyte.com/
.CheapShot Tactical Training Laser https://cheapshot.com/
.Laser Ammo SureStrike https://www.laser-ammo.com/
.Laser Ammo LaserPET target https://www.laser-ammo.com/
.iTarget https://www.itargetpro.com/
.GSight https://www.g-sight.com/
.Mantis doesn't use a laser, but attaches to the accessory rail https://mantisx.com/
.iDryFire https://idryfire.com/
Others?

.Strikeman Laser Training System https://www.strikeman.io/
.Beamhit
https://www.beamhit.net/

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 01:39 PM

Ammo is out there just be willing to pay the cost.

 

people will substitute this for real range time, this is dangerous to new shooters IMO.



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Posted 04 October 2020 - 06:28 PM

Ammo is out there just be willing to pay the cost.

 

people will substitute this for real range time, this is dangerous to new shooters IMO.

???

 

I offer classes for people that want to be pistol instructors.  I have had a  lot of professionals (as in carrying a gun for a living) go through my instructor classes and several of the LEOs have purchased laser simulator training aids for their personal use.  The very hardest thing to teach a new shooter is trigger control.  With the proper setup an instructor can teach sight alignment and trigger control before introducing recoil and live fire. Professionals can use it to hone rapid target pickup and holster skills.  FREE LESSON.   

 

Please explain why you think a non-firing training aid is dangerous.


Edited by NRApistol, 04 October 2020 - 06:29 PM.

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 06:38 PM

 

Ammo is out there just be willing to pay the cost.

 

people will substitute this for real range time, this is dangerous to new shooters IMO.

???

 

I offer classes for people that want to be pistol instructors.  I have had a  lot of professionals (as in carrying a gun for a living) go through my instructor classes and several of the LEOs have purchased laser simulator training aids for their personal use.  The very hardest thing to teach a new shooter is trigger control.  With the proper setup an instructor can teach sight alignment and trigger control before introducing recoil and live fire. Professionals can use it to hone rapid target pickup and holster skills.  FREE LESSON.   

 

Please explain why you think a non-firing training aid is dangerous.

 

Because many a new shooter has bought firearms without knowing the basic steps, why do they say don’t continuously train with a 22? Because your reactions will be different when you are in a life or death, more unexpected in that situation creates more panic, raised heart rate above 120 is not going to help anyone. The idea of practice is to remove as many variables for when you are in a situation. Me playing laser tag in my basement in my boxers whilst eating Hershey’s is not a realistic scenario. Many people with ammo prices currently will see this as a replacement not as a supplement.

 

so I stand by that these are dangerous.



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Posted 04 October 2020 - 06:44 PM

 

 

Ammo is out there just be willing to pay the cost.

 

people will substitute this for real range time, this is dangerous to new shooters IMO.

???

 

I offer classes for people that want to be pistol instructors.  I have had a  lot of professionals (as in carrying a gun for a living) go through my instructor classes and several of the LEOs have purchased laser simulator training aids for their personal use.  The very hardest thing to teach a new shooter is trigger control.  With the proper setup an instructor can teach sight alignment and trigger control before introducing recoil and live fire. Professionals can use it to hone rapid target pickup and holster skills.  FREE LESSON.   

 

Please explain why you think a non-firing training aid is dangerous.

 

Because many a new shooter has bought firearms without knowing the basic steps, why do they say don’t continuously train with a 22? Because your reactions will be different when you are in a life or death, more unexpected in that situation creates more panic, raised heart rate above 120 is not going to help anyone. The idea of practice is to remove as many variables for when you are in a situation. Me playing laser tag in my basement in my boxers whilst eating Hershey’s is not a realistic scenario. Many people with ammo prices currently will see this as a replacement not as a supplement.

 

so I stand by that these are dangerous.

 

I have to agree that dry firing isn't a replacement for live fire training. I feel that dry fire is a good way to get a more advanced shooter to work on their trigger discipline, but not a good way to get a new shooter acclimated to how a firearm really works.

 

That said, I have a SIRT training pistol and I like it quite a bit.



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Posted 04 October 2020 - 06:48 PM

 

 

Ammo is out there just be willing to pay the cost.

 

people will substitute this for real range time, this is dangerous to new shooters IMO.

???

 

I offer classes for people that want to be pistol instructors.  I have had a  lot of professionals (as in carrying a gun for a living) go through my instructor classes and several of the LEOs have purchased laser simulator training aids for their personal use.  The very hardest thing to teach a new shooter is trigger control.  With the proper setup an instructor can teach sight alignment and trigger control before introducing recoil and live fire. Professionals can use it to hone rapid target pickup and holster skills.  FREE LESSON.   

 

Please explain why you think a non-firing training aid is dangerous.

 

Because many a new shooter has bought firearms without knowing the basic steps, why do they say don’t continuously train with a 22? Because your reactions will be different when you are in a life or death, more unexpected in that situation creates more panic, raised heart rate above 120 is not going to help anyone. The idea of practice is to remove as many variables for when you are in a situation. Me playing laser tag in my basement in my boxers whilst eating Hershey’s is not a realistic scenario. Many people with ammo prices currently will see this as a replacement not as a supplement.

 

so I stand by that these are dangerous.

 

To each his own.    The training pistol is USED to teach the basic steps.  I do offer instructor classes.


Edited by NRApistol, 04 October 2020 - 06:53 PM.

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 06:53 PM

Well that’s fair for an instructor they should be refining at that point, I will respect that.



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Posted 04 October 2020 - 07:04 PM

Well that’s fair for an instructor they should be refining at that point, I will respect that.

Glad you agree, I'll sleep better tonight.

 

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 07:11 PM

Well that’s fair for an instructor they should be refining at that point, I will respect that.

Glad you agree, I'll sleep better tonight.
 
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Posted 10 October 2020 - 05:38 PM

I received my iTarget and set it up today.  Some issues.  

 

1.  It does not like tall phones with the camera situated up high.  I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10 Plus.  You get the very top in the top half of your camera, and the mounting in the lower half, so you have to get creative.

2.  The 9mm laser cartridge will NOT work with a Dan Wesson 9mm 1911 with a ramped barrel.  It does not sit deeply enough into the chamber, so the end sticks out.  When you try to close the slide, the breach face hits the end of the cartridge, and the slide won't come close to closing.  It DOES work with my CZC 75 Shadow TAC II, but you have to kind of force it in there, and that makes me nervous.

 

Once you work around the problems, it works pretty accurately from 15 feet.  I recommend it, but advise using a cheapish pistol.  I may try the revolver version.

 

Thanks to Kraacken for suggesting this.  It's a useful tool, it just has a few issues.  Nothing's perfect.






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