CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER Posted April 3, 2017 at 02:33 PM Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 02:33 PM In the early part of the 20th century it seemed that Police officers/FBI agents could apprehend wanted fugitives dead or alive. The example of how John Dillinger was gunned down with out being allowed to surrender is an example. I just wondered when this policy changed. I don't see the wanted posters using the words dead or alive anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted April 3, 2017 at 02:43 PM Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 02:43 PM I'm curious, I don't remember seeing any John Dillnger wanted posters that stated dead or alive. I thought the dead or alive wanted posters where traditionally only used in the US territories, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:02 PM Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:02 PM Actually J Edgar Hoover put out the wanted dead or alive notice to his FBI agents regarding John Dillinger. The Chicago Head of the FBI and his agents gunned John Dillinger down when he walked out of a movie theater in Chicago. They did things differently back then. Another case of ambush murder by Law enforcement was when they gunned down Bonnie and Clyde when they drove by in their car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceman spiff Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:04 PM Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:04 PM I believe it was the case of Tennessee v. Garner that set the standard for when law enforcement can employ deadly force to stop a suspect. Tennesee v. Garner set the standard that law enforcement may only use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon if the an officer believes the suspect to be armed and to pose a threat to themselves or others should the suspect be allowed to flee.I believe the case was heard in the Supreme Court in 1973 IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:15 PM Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:15 PM I still don't remember seeing a wanted dead or alive poster for Dillinger. All the actual wanted posters I have seen on him never included the 'dead' part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdm45aaron Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:29 PM Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:29 PM I may be wrong but I believe if you look up various accounts, Dillinger was in the process of pulling a firearm out of his pocket right before agents shot him. He also tried to evade them so he did have a chance to surrender but I think everyone knew he wasn't going to. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/chi-chicagodays-johndillinger-story-story.html http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0722.html http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/john-dillinger-infamous-bank-robber-killed-1934-article-1.2720322 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:59 PM Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 03:59 PM There are conflicting reports on the death of John Dillinger. It is a fact he surrendered peacefully at least 2 times previously.. He just kept escaping from jail. I don't think they gave him a chance to surrender due to the humiliation the FBI suffered trying to get him in the past. Also Bonnie and Clyde were not given any notice whatsoever. They were just ambushed by the Police while driving their car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted April 3, 2017 at 04:38 PM Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 04:38 PM I don't know if I believe shooting someone on sight is murder, once they have established that they can't be a part of civilized society. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspider Posted April 3, 2017 at 05:40 PM Share Posted April 3, 2017 at 05:40 PM I may be wrong but I believe if you look up various accounts, Dillinger was in the process of pulling a firearm out of his pocket right before agents shot him. He also tried to evade them so he did have a chance to surrender but I think everyone knew he wasn't going to. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/chi-chicagodays-johndillinger-story-story.html http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0722.html http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/john-dillinger-infamous-bank-robber-killed-1934-article-1.2720322Check the body cams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnnuguy Posted April 7, 2017 at 08:17 PM Share Posted April 7, 2017 at 08:17 PM There are conflicting reports on the death of John Dillinger. It is a fact he surrendered peacefully at least 2 times previously.. He just kept escaping from jail. I don't think they gave him a chance to surrender due to the humiliation the FBI suffered trying to get him in the past. Also Bonnie and Clyde were not given any notice whatsoever. They were just ambushed by the Police while driving their car. So you think they should've gave them a chance to shoot it out? Don't be a murdering criminal and you have very little to worry about! And why would you use the term murder in your heading? A justified homicide is not murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted April 7, 2017 at 08:22 PM Share Posted April 7, 2017 at 08:22 PM What year did law enforcement stop murdering fugitives in America? September 3, 1783 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerus Posted April 7, 2017 at 10:51 PM Share Posted April 7, 2017 at 10:51 PM There are conflicting reports on the death of John Dillinger. It is a fact he surrendered peacefully at least 2 times previously.. He just kept escaping from jail. I don't think they gave him a chance to surrender due to the humiliation the FBI suffered trying to get him in the past. Also Bonnie and Clyde were not given any notice whatsoever. They were just ambushed by the Police while driving their car.So you think they should've gave them a chance to shoot it out? Don't be a murdering criminal and you have very little to worry about!And why would you use the term murder in your heading? A justified homicide is not murder.Because this is America and we have laws to punish criminals? Cops don't get to play judge, jury and executioner. Innocent until proven guilty. Doesn't matter if 1,000 cops saw someone commit a crime. You're still presumed innocent. But we can go back to shooting suspected criminals if you want but it won't be long before the power is abused and truly innocent people are killed. History has proven that tokens and again. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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