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#1 cybermgk

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:04 AM

Looking for some of our local experts on all the players.  Fat boy is fat boy, but it still has to reach his desk.  I know not ALL of the state reps and Sen with a D next to their name are anti 2A (nor all of the Rs as staunch supporters as should be.)  In other words give me SOMETHING to cling to instead of immediate panic.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:08 AM

My area voted full red, so that’s good at least.......

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:10 AM

A staunch pro-2A candidate in my district lost to a gun-grabbing democrat.  It's going to be a rough time...I will of course put forth effort with my new Dem rep (barf) but Illinois voters hate themselves.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:20 AM



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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:26 AM

Rep Olson voted with the Madigan Democrats on gun control and lost his seat to a D in DuPage.

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:36 AM

Rep Winger lost to a D in DuPage by 43 votes. It changes things a little more negative than they were, Winger was wishy washy and sometimes absent.



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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:40 AM

Here's a list of results from the NY Times. Scroll down for IL legislature.

 

IL Senate - 22-15 with 2 undecided - possible 23-16

IL House -  71-45 with 2 undecided - possible 73-45

 

 

Looks like I need to get friendly with Jaime Andrade and Iris Martinez.

 

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:48 AM

 

not helpful


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:52 AM

Here's a list of results from the NY Times. Scroll down for IL legislature.

 

IL Senate - 22-15 with 2 undecided - possible 23-16

IL House -  71-45 with 2 undecided - possible 73-45

 

 

Looks like I need to get friendly with Jaime Andrade and Iris Martinez.

 

Much of what people think of guns, shooting and shooters depends on you me US!

So, seems like senate is a good fighting ground for us to kill bills?.  Actually, even the house, AASSUMING all the Rs, if we can get a few Ds to vote against, we COULD kill a majority on a vote?.   And there are of course the courts.  Trump still has a Senate, now even easier to fill all those fed level spots.  Trump has already nominated 3 of 4 open IL fed benches.  Need them confirmed. 


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:50 AM

"not helpful"

 

But VERY accurate...IMHO



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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:53 AM

"not helpful"

 

But VERY accurate...IMHO

My thread, and I am asking nicely, last time.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 08:51 AM

WELL ... the guy running the IL Republican House surely screwed up in getting more R’s elected !!!
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Posted 07 November 2018 - 09:18 AM

... time to be creative and work on solutions.

On WBEZ right now is a discussion about the House and the future of gun control bills, and other stuff. A point was made that many downstate Dems still support gun rights.

We need to work harder to keep what we have.
Working with IL Dems may be critical.
My reps ran unopposed, again. We need to change that.

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 09:20 AM

Even if the Democrats don't have a supermajority, look at the bills that made it to Governor Rauner's desk, only to be struck down by his veto.  We just lost that last line of state-level defense.

 

I'm grateful that my districts, Senate 32 and House 64, stayed R by a good majority, but those two newcomers will have a long uphill battle against Madigan's shenanigans.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 09:37 AM

My House district went blue. Fortner retired and Khouri lost to Villa who was endorsed by the moms and GVP-PAC.

 

I'm gonna miss Fortner. A very reliable conservative 2A guy.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 09:50 AM

State Senate

Dem. 22 won 1 lead

Rep. 15 won 1 lead

 

State House

Dem. 71 won 2 lead

Rep. 45 won

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-illinois-elections.html



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Posted 07 November 2018 - 10:13 AM

I'm grateful that my districts, Senate 32 and House 64, stayed R by a good majority, but those two newcomers will have a long uphill battle against Madigan's shenanigans.

And maddy got his puppet as Attourney Gen, so IF the allegations on him move forward it will have to be a federal prosecuter.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 10:19 AM

 

I'm grateful that my districts, Senate 32 and House 64, stayed R by a good majority, but those two newcomers will have a long uphill battle against Madigan's shenanigans.

And maddy got his puppet as Attorney Gen, so IF the allegations on him move forward it will have to be a federal prosecuter.

 

Since Madigan is the head of the Democrat party in Illinois, he's responsible for doling out $$$. Can Kwame be considered compromised relative to any investigation of Madigan? Sounds like we NEED a fed. Problem is I believe the Feds in Illinois were effectively hand selected by a Chicago Dem too. 



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Posted 07 November 2018 - 01:40 PM

"give me SOMETHING to cling to instead of immediate panic."

 

Panic is never an appropriate response to much of anything in this old geezer's view. As a lifelong (69 yrs and counting) Chicago resident I have come to expect little from ANY public official beyond continued corruption, "what's in it for me" attitude and public favors and access for private donations.

 

Well that and the reality the we seem to jail a pretty good percentage of recent Governors and other officials.

 

With every Illinois State elected major office being held by Democrats and Mike Madigan maintaining his dictatorial control over any and ALL forms of legislation I find no reason to expect cheery outcomes for any type of conservative goals or interests.

 

It is often said that the smartest people in the country come from Illinois....and the smarter they are the sooner they come from there.


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:06 PM

I did some preliminary analysis and edited the results into the Illinois November 2018  Election data thread

on election nite through the next morning, and still updating it:

 

I just copied it here, it's BEEN there:

 

----------------------------------------- Washington, Congress --------------------------------------------------------------------

Illinois Congressional delegation's names are ALMOST unchanged

but  2 Republican seats changed party, with 2 new Democrat names

 

B rated Republican Peter Roskam ( 6 ) LOST to   F rated Democrat Sean Casten

A rated Republican Randy Hultgren ( 14 ) LOST to  F rated Democrat Lauren Underwood

 

------------------------------------------- Illinois Senate -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

edit: here's a preliminary summary:   (NO changes to the old graphics in the post)

There are a Dozen new names that we do NOT know where they stand on the 2A issue,

7 Democrats are new

5 Republicans are new

TWO seats changed parties, Republican to Democrat. Mixed feelings about the departing  Republicans.

Turncoat gun grabbing Republicans Tom Rooney and Chris Nybo have LOST their seats to F rated Democrats.

For 39 Democrats and 20 Republicans. Note this was an off year for 20 districts, no elections there.

 

32  Returning Democrats

7    New Democrats

15  Returning Republicans

5    New Republicans

 

It WAS 37 Democrats and 22 Republicans, now it's 39 Democrats and 20 Republicans.

 

The two seats that Changed from R to D are held by F rated democrat politicians Suzy Glowiack and Ann Gillespie.

I have a feeling we will come to hate those names.

------------------------------------------------- Illinois House ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

edit: here's a preliminary summary:   (NO changes to the old graphics in the post)

 

Three districts are uncalled (yet uncounted mail in ballots etc) as of 12:30am Thursday:

district 45 with  239 votes difference  Republican held seat. Democrat leading - counted by me as a lost R seat

district 51 with two vote difference  Republican (formerly Nick Saur) held seat. Appointed Republican Helene Miller Walsh leading - counted by me as a retained R seat

district 81 with 325 votes difference  Republican held seat. Democrat leading - counted by me as a lost R seat

 

 

 

There are 17  new names that we do NOT know where they stand on the 2A issue, they didn't even fill out a questionnaire (Republicans were advised not to, so we can't count them as anti's yet).

17 Democrats are new

10 Republicans are new

Seven seats changed parties, Republican to Democrat. (45, 48, 49, 53, 61, 76, 81)

ONE seat changed parties, Democrat to Republican    (118)

(and a note on that, it was district 118 and  Natalie Phelps-Finnie an NRA A rated Democrat lost to A rated (by questionnaire responses) Republican Patrick Windhorst )

and even the party seat count isn't cast in concrete yet, with 3 races too close to call. it could be 4 to 7 seats by the time it's sorted out.

 

 

For 73 Democrats and 45 Republicans.

 

56  Returning Democrats

17    New Democrats

35  Returning Republicans

10   New Republicans

 

It WAS 67 Democrats and 51 Republicans, now it's 73 Democrats and 45 Republicans.

MAYBE 74 Democrats depending upon (45, 51, 81) results

3/5 of 118  = 71

2/3 of 118  = 79

 

Without delving into details about the ratings,

there were:

60 rated F or D

41 rated A or B

17 new names that didn't answer questionnaire:  9 democrats and 8 Republican

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118

 

the best "the firearms caucus may be able to swing":  41 + 4("D" rating) + 17 = 62 ?

 

Something to note, with resignations and fill in appointments, there are "INCUMBENTS" returning that

don't have an actual firearms bill VOTE history.

 

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 10:32 AM

I did some preliminary analysis and edited the results into the Illinois November 2018  Election data thread
on election nite through the next morning, and still updating it:
 
I just copied it here, it's BEEN there:
 
----------------------------------------- Washington, Congress --------------------------------------------------------------------
Illinois Congressional delegation's names are ALMOST unchanged
but  2 Republican seats changed party, with 2 new Democrat names
 
B rated Republican Peter Roskam ( 6 ) LOST to   F rated Democrat Sean Casten
A rated Republican Randy Hultgren ( 14 ) LOST to  F rated Democrat Lauren Underwood
 
------------------------------------------- Illinois Senate -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
edit: here's a preliminary summary:   (NO changes to the old graphics in the post)
There are a Dozen new names that we do NOT know where they stand on the 2A issue,
7 Democrats are new
5 Republicans are new
TWO seats changed parties, Republican to Democrat. Mixed feelings about the departing  Republicans.
Turncoat gun grabbing Republicans Tom Rooney and Chris Nybo have LOST their seats to F rated Democrats.
For 39 Democrats and 20 Republicans. Note this was an off year for 20 districts, no elections there.
 
32  Returning Democrats
7    New Democrats
15  Returning Republicans
5    New Republicans
 
It WAS 37 Democrats and 22 Republicans, now it's 39 Democrats and 20 Republicans.
 
The two seats that Changed from R to D are held by F rated democrat politicians Suzy Glowiack and Ann Gillespie.
I have a feeling we will come to hate those names.
------------------------------------------------- Illinois House ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
edit: here's a preliminary summary:   (NO changes to the old graphics in the post)
 
Three districts are uncalled (yet uncounted mail in ballots etc) as of 12:30am Thursday:
district 45 with  239 votes difference  Republican held seat. Democrat leading - counted by me as a lost R seat
district 51 with two vote difference  Republican (formerly Nick Saur) held seat. Appointed Republican Helene Miller Walsh leading - counted by me as a retained R seat
district 81 with 325 votes difference  Republican held seat. Democrat leading - counted by me as a lost R seat
 
 
 
There are 17  new names that we do NOT know where they stand on the 2A issue, they didn't even fill out a questionnaire (Republicans were advised not to, so we can't count them as anti's yet).
17 Democrats are new
10 Republicans are new
Seven seats changed parties, Republican to Democrat. (45, 48, 49, 53, 61, 76, 81)
ONE seat changed parties, Democrat to Republican    (118)
(and a note on that, it was district 118 and  Natalie Phelps-Finnie an NRA A rated Democrat lost to A rated (by questionnaire responses) Republican Patrick Windhorst )
and even the party seat count isn't cast in concrete yet, with 3 races too close to call. it could be 4 to 7 seats by the time it's sorted out.
 
 
For 73 Democrats and 45 Republicans.
 
56  Returning Democrats
17    New Democrats
35  Returning Republicans
10   New Republicans
 
It WAS 67 Democrats and 51 Republicans, now it's 73 Democrats and 45 Republicans.
MAYBE 74 Democrats depending upon (45, 51, 81) results
3/5 of 118  = 71
2/3 of 118  = 79
 
Without delving into details about the ratings,
there were:
60 rated F or D
41 rated A or B
17 new names that didn't answer questionnaire:  9 democrats and 8 Republican
-------
118
 
the best "the firearms caucus may be able to swing":  41 + 4("D" rating) + 17 = 62 ?
 
Something to note, with resignations and fill in appointments, there are "INCUMBENTS" returning that
don't have an actual firearms bill VOTE history.
 
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Would an accurate tl;dr of this be "we can assume any anti-gun bill that gets introduced will be passed/rubber-stamped into law"?

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:21 PM

Looking for some of our local experts on all the players.  Fat boy is fat boy, but it still has to reach his desk.  I know not ALL of the state reps and Sen with a D next to their name are anti 2A (nor all of the Rs as staunch supporters as should be.)  In other words give me SOMETHING to cling to instead of immediate panic.

No matter how bad it gets we are still a Republic, not a democracy. Whatever laws they pass still has to pass a constitutional test.

I haven't been very politically active, that changes this year (only attended/spoke up in one hearing last year).

I'm going to make it a point to attend a few hearings on gun grabbing. I'm going to remind them in person that they can't just pass unconstitutional laws without constitutional/legal challenge from the 2nd ammendment community.

I'm going to make sure the money I donate to 2nd ammendment causes is going to be used to fight the system locally as well as nationally.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:43 PM

... time to be creative and work on solutions.

On WBEZ right now is a discussion about the House and the future of gun control bills, and other stuff. A point was made that many downstate Dems still support gun rights.

We need to work harder to keep what we have.
Working with IL Dems may be critical.
My reps ran unopposed, again. We need to change that.

We are the face of gun rights.
It’s up to us.

My state rep Terry Bryant,a republican, retained her seat. She is pro second amendment and took Mike Bost's seat, who retained
his seat in Congress in this election. He is very pro carry,a republican who introduced carry bills when in the Illinois legislature.

Edited by junglebob, 09 November 2018 - 12:44 PM.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 01:27 PM

Would an accurate tl;dr of this be "we can assume any anti-gun bill that gets introduced will be passed/rubber-stamped into law"?

It will be a challenge. Hopefully there are enough S IL pro gun Dems left. We need to burn up their phone lines and in boxes to get back to the point where they were begging Todd to make us stop!
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 01:31 PM

I support IL-FFL, but don't do Facebook. I hope Todd is still in the position to represent us. 


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 04:11 AM

The anti's need to HEAR from us TOO.

 

There was something recently that talked about what weight  different contact methods had with the elected critter.

 

WE need to start sending weekly delegations TO THEIR LOCAL OFFICES, and just not to hammer that "this legislation is bad" but rather to do what Molly did with the RED FLAG legislation, in that we advocate for change to make it less odious to us, yet accomplishes in actuality what they SAID they want.

 

There will be subjects of meetings and objectives  -  for example keeping the red flags from being incorporated as a routine divorce pressure tool.

keeping the red flags from being a harassment tool, penalties for perjury, etc - STUDY what was done  in that case, and COORDINATE with the lobbyists.

 

If you carp and complain about that - remember that that exact strategy was what they used to swing legislators which caused us so much pain.


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 11:24 AM

Where do we stand?

 

Taxpayers and gun owners got screwed. 


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