BixBix78 Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM Share Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM For those in the know please. I did some research but couldn't find anything really current...The secret compartment law in IL was confirmed unconstitutional back in 2008 correct? If so, I foresee a weekend fab/welding project in my near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackForward Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:28 PM Share Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:28 PM No carry on bike trails then? You can't carry pretty much anywhere besides in your car or walking down the street, granted it's not in front of any of the restricted areas like a school, day care, hospital, etc,.. In my circumstances under this bill it appears as if i will be able to carry 99% of my daily life.. I personally already avoid bars due to fools and overprices drinks, festivals as i generally prefer wildlife over large masses of people, refuse to go to chicago (rockford is close enough) at all costs so mass transit is not an issue, do not ever go to any campuses, rarely (maybe once every few years ever need to go to any gov building) avoid city parks as i prefer county parks (this is my biggest concern), use the drive thru at the bank, and will find friendly private businesses that will get my dollars. I guess i am one of the lucky ones Perhaps in your case, or also for those that live in the boonies it might not make too much of a deal, but for those that live in the burbs' and especially in the city of chicago that need carry the most, the restrictions make it virtually impossible to carry anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:30 PM Share Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:30 PM HEY...!!! Cool star, General...!!! I started a thread on the post the tripped my star just to commemorate my star -- of course, as soon as I made the next post it ruined it but it was fun anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BixBix78 Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:35 PM Share Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:35 PM Backforward I would consider Rockford the boonies if i lived in Chicago too but the west side of Rockford is far less than ideal. I hear gunshots from my home, not daily, but on a weekly occurrence and my wife's work was robbed at gunpoint twice in the last year. Edit and i do think the mass transit is a major issue and hope the lawsuits come swiftly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS3987 Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:54 PM Share Posted May 25, 2013 at 11:54 PM Though not the worst I could have seen, there are elements there that will make it not worth carrying anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supprmann Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:06 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:06 AM I have read the bill several times over and have so far reserved comment. I do really appreciate this thread so that an educated dialog can take place. I already hold a carry license and exercise the right whenever possible as I live approximately 20 minutes from the Missouri line into St. Louis. I also carry in other states with frequent and various travels. That being said.....this list, looks quite lengthy but is very well thought out ***it sucks***. Not that I'm a sympathizer to the bill......the jury is still out. However, what appears as doom here would appear more permissive on some things in other states. A 100% vehicular safe haven is something many states are clamoring for. People are complaining and wanting reciprocity without taking the time to read this.....are gonna find themselves. In a world of hurt if they think they'll be able to travel without knowing the various laws in the other places they plan to travel to. Yes...I do understand wanting what has been unjustly denied to you without a doubt. But we are only this far....not across the finish line yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveFactor Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:08 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:08 AM If I have to unload the gun before I exit the vehicle in order to put it in the trunk, I am allowed to carry it concealed from the passenger compartment to the trunk.Once I get to the trunk, how do I transfer it to the truck without it becoming un-concealed for a few moments? How do I prevent it from becoming un-concealed when I retrieve it later? I see a few moments where an AUUW is taking place. I made a comment about 2 this morning about having a vision of Davis, Flowers, Williams, Nekritz, and Persnickety in a group singing THE WILD WILD WEST --- THE WILD WILD WEST.... (I make no claims of sobriety at the time) You sir are a bad bad man! If I start having that NIGHTMARE on a nightly basis, I promise to consult my attorney to determine if I can sue you for emotional damage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubarud Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:36 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:36 AM OK, what is the penalty for violating this laundry list of off limit places? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveFactor Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:37 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:37 AM OK, what is the penalty for violating this laundry list of off limit places? Class B Misdemeanor for the first offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beret Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:52 AM Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:52 AM OK, what is the penalty for violating this laundry list of off limit places? Class B Misdemeanor for the first offense. And that is just wrong. I mean the information is accurate but it is wrong that the law should impose such a harsh penalty on a good guy stepping across an invisible line on a piece of real estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdhunter1 Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:57 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:57 AM So I work at a state University, am i correct in reading that I can leave a firearm in my truck as long as I unload and encase it before leaving the area of the truck? I work evening shifs and often bike after work by driving (in my truck) to my hometown, parking at my church, biking 10-12 miles, then get in my truck and go home. Ain't no way armed or unarmed I will bike in Carbondale after dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveFactor Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:59 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 12:59 AM Ain't no way armed or unarmed I will bike in Carbondale after dark. Has Carbondale gotten that bad? Or is it more just a fear of being run over by a drunk college kid, because that I would understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:04 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:04 AM So I work at a state University, am i correct in reading that I can leave a firearm in my truck as long as I unload and encase it before leaving the area of the truck? I work evening shifs and often bike after work by driving (in my truck) to my hometown, parking at my church, biking 10-12 miles, then get in my truck and go home. Ain't no way armed or unarmed I will bike in Carbondale after dark. I do not see anywhere that the firearm left in a locked vehicle or locked glove compartment must be unloaded. It only says if you store it in the trunk you must unload it before getting out of your vehicle. Am I mistaken on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:06 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:06 AM No carry on bike trails then? You can't carry pretty much anywhere besides in your car or walking down the street, granted it's not in front of any of the restricted areas like a school, day care, hospital, etc,.. This is totally incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:15 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:15 AM So I work at a state University, am i correct in reading that I can leave a firearm in my truck as long as I unload and encase it before leaving the area of the truck? I work evening shifs and often bike after work by driving (in my truck) to my hometown, parking at my church, biking 10-12 miles, then get in my truck and go home. Ain't no way armed or unarmed I will bike in Carbondale after dark.As Molly said no need to unload as long as its locked in your truck. However also note this part of the bill: (a-5) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a public orprivate community college, college, or university from: (3) developing resolutions, regulations, or policiesregarding the storage or maintenance of firearms, whichmust include designated areas where persons can parkvehicles that carry firearms; So it sounds like the University can set additional restrictions if they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supprmann Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:28 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:28 AM I seem to remember hearing during the session, that even though you are in the parking lot of a prohibited area, as long as the firearm stays in the vehicle, or the immediate area of the vehicle (meaning, being placed in the trunk or fixed toolbox) you are considered alright. 100% vehicular safe passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot1 Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:54 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 01:54 AM Perhaps in your case, or also for those that live in the boonies it might not make too much of a deal, but for those that live in the burbs' and especially in the city of chicago that need carry the most, the restrictions make it virtually impossible to carry anywhere. I agree with you! I'm a downstater, and the people of Chicago just got raped as far as I'm concerned. That just isn't right. I guess we'll see what the future holds on this, IF it becomes law that is. I personally don't like this. I've enver been to Chicago, but that doesn't mean I don't have feelings for the people there. You are a part of this state and deserve to be treated the same as downstaters. Hope that doesn't offend anyone, but that's the way I feel. There's VERY little crime in our area, and I personally don't feel the NEED to carry, but the people of Chicago are the ones I'm fighting the most for. You're the ones that deserve a carry bill more so than donwstaters, as far as I'm concerned. You're all like sitting ducks up there with NO way to protect yourselves. THAT JUST ISN'T RIGHT!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:00 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:00 AM I agree with you! I'm a downstater, and the people of Chicago just got raped as far as I'm concerned. Several of our Chicago friends who were involved with the many different lawsuits are happy about this bill, even as restrictive as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveFactor Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:01 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:01 AM I agree with you! I'm a downstater, and the people of Chicago just got raped as far as I'm concerned. Several of our Chicago friends who were involved with the many different lawsuits are happy about this bill, even as restrictive as it is. Honestly, 2193 is better for the folks of Chicago than 997 was, in my opinion... And 997 would have been better for us down staters. Over all, I think that 2193 makes the most in roads against the lefty gun grabbers, so even as a down stater, I support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:12 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:12 AM Dave >>> go ahead and sue me over those nightmares but I already spent all my money on guns, motorcycles and ammo... Sorry.... Grey >>> I agree with your harsh penalty comment. Certainly for a 1st offense... Birdhunter >>> Everytime I go to C'dale I end up at PK's listening to Tall Pawl. Seems safe enough in there... To my friends in Chi Town >>> I admit I don't have the issues you do down here in Peoria. And I feel really fortunate that I don't have to live with your issues. But I also know that if I did live in Chicago I would be an order of magnitude better off with this bill than with what you have now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot1 Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:16 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:16 AM I need to apologize for my remarks, but it's just that I've lived in this state my entire life and I know how things go, as do all of you. I'm going to hope that things work out for the best for EVERYONE in the end. I'm 20 minutes from the Indiana border. I can carry there legally as can my wife. (ER Nurse) She can get an Indiana carry permit upon request if she feels the need. We both carry Utah license, so the need is not there right now. That could change at any time though. Good evening, and have a safe Memorial Day everyone! Also, don't forget to thank a vet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beret Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:17 AM Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:17 AM So I work at a state University, am i correct in reading that I can leave a firearm in my truck as long as I unload and encase it before leaving the area of the truck? I work evening shifs and often bike after work by driving (in my truck) to my hometown, parking at my church, biking 10-12 miles, then get in my truck and go home. Ain't no way armed or unarmed I will bike in Carbondale after dark.As Molly said no need to unload as long as its locked in your truck. However also note this part of the bill: (a-5) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a public orprivate community college, college, or university from: (3) developing resolutions, regulations, or policiesregarding the storage or maintenance of firearms, whichmust include designated areas where persons can parkvehicles that carry firearms; So it sounds like the University can set additional restrictions if they wantAs I read it, it seems to be a YES and a NO. The colleges appear to have been thrown something of a bone which will allow them to make "some" parking lots GFZ's but they "must" include areas where vehicles with firearms can park. Now, that just seems like a disaster waiting to happen and if the parking spots are located conveniently then cars belonging to anti gun folks will park there when they do not have firearms and the more likely scenario is that the designated areas will not be convenient and will be a very nice collection of targets for would be thieves. But after all that is said, the colleges have to provide a place for firearm owners to park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:23 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:23 AM I think you nailed it Grey. I read it the same way.... The neurotic anti's will park in the gun owners lot and then complain about "I saw his evil gun arrest him".... Which I think is fantastic -- let the university admins who asked for that deal have to put up with that deal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveFactor Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:30 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:30 AM So I work at a state University, am i correct in reading that I can leave a firearm in my truck as long as I unload and encase it before leaving the area of the truck? I work evening shifs and often bike after work by driving (in my truck) to my hometown, parking at my church, biking 10-12 miles, then get in my truck and go home. Ain't no way armed or unarmed I will bike in Carbondale after dark.As Molly said no need to unload as long as its locked in your truck. However also note this part of the bill: (a-5) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a public orprivate community college, college, or university from: (3) developing resolutions, regulations, or policiesregarding the storage or maintenance of firearms, whichmust include designated areas where persons can parkvehicles that carry firearms; So it sounds like the University can set additional restrictions if they wantAs I read it, it seems to be a YES and a NO. The colleges appear to have been thrown something of a bone which will allow them to make "some" parking lots GFZ's but they "must" include areas where vehicles with firearms can park. Now, that just seems like a disaster waiting to happen and if the parking spots are located conveniently then cars belonging to anti gun folks will park there when they do not have firearms and the more likely scenario is that the designated areas will not be convenient and will be a very nice collection of targets for would be thieves. But after all that is said, the colleges have to provide a place for firearm owners to park. Yup.... I plan on using a FedEx box, a leather planner, and some velcro to make myself a nice "enclosed shipping box case" which I can access quickly, for my weapon to go in to anytime I need to "case carry" into a GFZ. As for leaving in the car.... Thinking about welding in an eyelet that I can run a steel cable through, and through the trigger guard... Make it so any slime who sees me stowing it better have some bolt cutters in his saggy pants if he wants my weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beret Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:35 AM Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:35 AM I think you nailed it Grey. I read it the same way.... The neurotic anti's will park in the gun owners lot and then complain about "I saw his evil gun arrest him".... Which I think is fantastic -- let the university admins who asked for that deal have to put up with that deal....The thing that I dislike most about this college carve out, is that it changes what would have been the "parking lot rule" that you would have to be concerned with. Now, there is this distinction of if it belongs or is operated by a college and that is not always as easy to determine as one might think. Taking that with the harsh penalty and it just became easier to get fouled up on dotting your "I"s and crossing your "t"s. But we have all agreed that this is not the bill that we would have preferred. It is one that we can learn to live with and it is certainly better than what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:49 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:49 AM I read the university language like this. They can prohibit carry on any property or conveyance they own or control. However, this would seem to leave public roads and sidewalks alone, as in there is a pass through allowance (which is consistent throughout this bill.) Also of note, it is specified they must designate parking areas for vehicles containing firearms, so firearms are obviously not prohibited from their property in its entirety. The complete prohibition in vehicles are those vehicles that the college owns. Overall, I have yet to find an instance where one's ability to carry to or from anywhere is totally prohibited, as there are remedies such as unloaded/cased carry and safe passage provisions consistent throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:56 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 02:56 AM For those in the know please. I did some research but couldn't find anything really current...The secret compartment law in IL was confirmed unconstitutional back in 2008 correct? If so, I foresee a weekend fab/welding project in my near future.It need not be a secret compartment. The center console or glove box is ok. It's the Diggins case. To google! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveFactor Posted May 26, 2013 at 03:03 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 03:03 AM For those in the know please. I did some research but couldn't find anything really current...The secret compartment law in IL was confirmed unconstitutional back in 2008 correct? If so, I foresee a weekend fab/welding project in my near future.It need not be a secret compartment. The center console or glove box is ok. Yup, but I am going to find ways to make it nearly impossible for a bad guy to take my weapon from my car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted May 26, 2013 at 03:03 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 03:03 AM For those in the know please. I did some research but couldn't find anything really current...The secret compartment law in IL was confirmed unconstitutional back in 2008 correct? If so, I foresee a weekend fab/welding project in my near future.It need not be a secret compartment. The center console or glove box is ok. It's the Diggins case. To google!glove box and console are both explicitly stated to be OK in the bill as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VannDaddy Posted May 26, 2013 at 03:04 AM Share Posted May 26, 2013 at 03:04 AM I read the university language like this. They can prohibit carry on any property or conveyance they own or control. However, this would seem to leave public roads and sidewalks alone, as in there is a pass through allowance (which is consistent throughout this bill.) Also of note, it is specified they must designate parking areas for vehicles containing firearms, so firearms are obviously not prohibited from their property in its entirety. The complete prohibition in vehicles are those vehicles that the college owns. Overall, I have yet to find an instance where one's ability to carry to or from anywhere is totally prohibited, as there are remedies such as unloaded/cased carry and safe passage provisions consistent throughout. Instance one: I personally am unable to leave a firearm or ammo in my vehicle while at work, I work at a nuke plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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