ChicagoRonin70 Posted May 6, 2020 at 03:40 AM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 03:40 AM http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_05_2020/post-16014-0-88496600-1588386680.jpeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted May 6, 2020 at 12:33 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 12:33 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 6, 2020 at 02:17 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 02:17 PM When people abandon faith, they will claim to turn to reason, but they will soon abandon reason and turn to violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 6, 2020 at 03:41 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 03:41 PM Because larping in your cheap a** condor gear is the same as taking up arms for your country. People need to leave the guns home where they belong until it's time not to but they would rather look tough when there is minimal risk of harm or loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchDoctor Posted May 6, 2020 at 03:49 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 03:49 PM No MF that has ever served their country wants to put any of that crap on again. Ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted May 6, 2020 at 04:58 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 04:58 PM Exercising 1st and 2nd Ammendment rights which are slowly being taken away. That's not who is doing all the shootings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted May 6, 2020 at 05:25 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 05:25 PM Because larping in your cheap a** condor gear is the same as taking up arms for your country. People need to leave the guns home where they belong until it's time not to but they would rather look tough when there is minimal risk of harm or loss.I dont mind the civil disorder it creates, but the theater will come to an abrupt end as soon as one of these protesters gets their privileged little ***** kicked. Theyll quickly turn tailgate and run (thin blue line bumper sticker prominently displayed). Then theyll go online and promptly defend the police saying the person that got their a** kicked shoulda done what they were told. Remember how quickly the Bundy movement died down when stuff got real?http://northwestlibertynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/hqdefault.jpg Posted in another thread for contrast against these armchair revolutionarys and their privilege. In NYC, 3 people beaten and arrested by the police over a social distancing infraction while trying to get food. https://twitter.com/afroshaped/status/1256807655940767744?s=20 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/nypd-officer-put-modified-duty-violent-social-distancing/story?id=70488152 Amazing the disparity in treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted May 6, 2020 at 07:19 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 07:19 PM Ahmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 6, 2020 at 07:22 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 07:22 PM Theyll quickly turn tailgate and run (thin blue line bumper sticker prominently displayed). LMAO!! So true! I hate those stickers and the division they stand for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45Badger Posted May 6, 2020 at 10:15 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 10:15 PM The battle of Bunker Hill was not a winner for us. I grew up with that picture in the living room. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted May 6, 2020 at 11:19 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 11:19 PM Because larping in your cheap a** condor gear is the same as taking up arms for your country. People need to leave the guns home where they belong Totally defeats the benefits of open or concealed carry. Why would I leave my defensive tools at home while I am exercising my right to assemble or address my grievances when I carry them at all other times? ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted May 6, 2020 at 11:39 PM Share Posted May 6, 2020 at 11:39 PM A week after armed white men came to state Capitol, a State Rep. in Michigan who is African-American, Sarah Anthony, was escorted by "at least three African Americans carrying large rifles." They "escorted Anthony across Capitol Avenue...this morning" https://www.lansingcitypulse.com/stories/armed-citizens-escort-lawmaker-into-michigan-state-capitol,14339 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:03 AM Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:03 AM The battle of Bunker Hill was not a winner for us. I grew up with that picture in the living room. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 450 on our side, 1,054 on the British side for casualties. That's my definition of a Pyrrhic victory. But the point is, you have governors acting like they have royal authority. The last time that happened here, when the citizens of the U.S. was much more poorly armed than they currently are, and had much less capability for asymmetrical warfare, it didn't end well for the side that violated the rights of those people. Isn't there a saying about those not learning from the past being doomed to repeat it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 7, 2020 at 01:00 AM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 01:00 AM Because larping in your cheap a** condor gear is the same as taking up arms for your country. People need to leave the guns home where they belongTotally defeats the benefits of open or concealed carry. Why would I leave my defensive tools at home while I am exercising my right to assemble or address my grievances when I carry them at all other times? ^ this ***Defensive carry is all about concealing your capabilities until you have no choice but to deploy them, responding with the appropriate amount of force to stop the threat. This display is about intimidation. It is offensive in nature. These people might as well be members of Moms Demand Action or any of the other Bloomberg shell groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:16 AM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:16 AM Defensive carry is all about concealing your capabilities until you have no choice but to deploy them, responding with the appropriate amount of force to stop the threat. This display is about intimidation. It is offensive in nature. These people might as well be members of Moms Demand Action or any of the other Bloomberg shell groups. Your dismissal of open carry being defensive/deterrent is noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted May 7, 2020 at 04:20 AM Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 04:20 AM Because larping in your cheap a** condor gear is the same as taking up arms for your country. People need to leave the guns home where they belongTotally defeats the benefits of open or concealed carry. Why would I leave my defensive tools at home while I am exercising my right to assemble or address my grievances when I carry them at all other times? ^ this ***Defensive carry is all about concealing your capabilities until you have no choice but to deploy them, responding with the appropriate amount of force to stop the threat. This display is about intimidation. It is offensive in nature. These people might as well be members of Moms Demand Action or any of the other Bloomberg shell groups. I would classify the open carry practiced there as intended as a deterrent against the government continuing to act in an unconstitutional fashion. That's a form of defense that I believe the Founding Fathers would approve of. Indeed, they may have made an amendment to the Constitution that prevents the government from infringing on that right in any fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted May 7, 2020 at 05:36 AM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 05:36 AM I would classify the open carry practiced there as intended as a deterrent against the government continuing to act in an unconstitutional fashion. That's a form of defense that I believe the Founding Fathers would approve of. Indeed, they may have made an amendment to the Constitution that prevents the government from infringing on that right in any fashion.I dont disagree, but the problem is most of these protestors are bootlickers. The second they get sick or get their ***** kicked theyll be relying on my tax dollar paid VA benefits. The second an actual insurrection breaks out theyll either be redeployed, enlist, or consensually drafted all on the side of government. Theres been a ton of insurrections since 1776 and theyre all a footnote in American history where people died to get little or no change. Worse, the people behind these insurrections died agreed to be enemies of the people. The government kills the people its afraid of and smears their reputation. The government is not afraid of these bootlickers and none of these bootlickers want to be an heros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted May 7, 2020 at 05:59 AM Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 05:59 AM I would classify the open carry practiced there as intended as a deterrent against the government continuing to act in an unconstitutional fashion. That's a form of defense that I believe the Founding Fathers would approve of. Indeed, they may have made an amendment to the Constitution that prevents the government from infringing on that right in any fashion.I dont disagree, but the problem is most of these protestors are bootlickers. The second they get sick or get their ***** kicked theyll be relying on my tax dollar paid VA benefits. The second an actual insurrection breaks out theyll either be redeployed, enlist, or consensually drafted all on the side of government. Theres been a ton of insurrections since 1776 and theyre all a footnote in American history where people died to get little or no change. Worse, the people behind these insurrections died agreed to be enemies of the people. The government kills the people its afraid of and smears their reputation. The government is not afraid of these bootlickers and none of these bootlickers want to be an heros. You keep calling them bootlickers, but they were the ones who were actually motivated enough to gather by the hundreds, enter the capitol building, and protest against government in such a way that's drawn international attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:06 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:06 PM Its the rights equivalent of It gets media attention but the opposing politicians just use it in their rhetoric. Theyre not actually scared. Look to the Hong Kong or French Yellow Jacket protestors for the kind of civil disobedience that actually worries government. In America protests are theater. Organized publicly on social media, corralled by the media for the most impact on the medias own narrative, and nobody dares step out of line because our heavy handed criminal justice system assures youll never go back to work again if you catch a charge. The halls of power in America have assured the revolutionary spirit is nothing more than a LARP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:42 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:42 PM Protesting mask ordanances during a pandemic is not anything like the protesting tyranny, or what we went through under British rule. Watering down the significance of history only makes people into the boy who cried wolf, when something real happens. Also, we just had a shooting at a McDonalds in Oklahoma over someone not being able to come in to get their McRib because the dining room was closed, another hotbed of pure idiocy. Showing up armed in Michigan was for intimidation purposes. There was nothing being "defended", especially not the constitution, when you're literally giving ammunition to folks who want to dismantle the 2nd Amendment. No one can tell me what the point of them showing up armed was, or how that was on message, or even what their message was. Vague notions of "defending the constitution" don't hold water, when their actions will likely be used to do the opposite. Yet somehow they are equated to heroes of the Revolutionary War? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:56 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 12:56 PM There was nothing being "defended", especially not the constitution, when you're literally giving ammunition to folks who want to dismantle the 2nd Amendment.I mean you totally missed the only point made by showing up armed, because they could. Cowering to people that attempt to take away your 2nd amendment is even stupider than what these people are protesting. If they tried to infringe than maybe these people would actually practice some actual civil disobedience instead of theatrics. Or theyd join the side of the state in a Faustian bargain to keep their guns. You can never tell with that crowd. One minute theyre crying about having a boot on their throat, the next theyre telling others with boots on their throats to step in line. Claims the Boston tea party is their heritage but gets outraged if a protestor smashes a Starbucks window or tips a city government owned garbage can over. On another note this is what annoys me about the liberal gun argument, they treat it like a privilege when its a natural right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted May 7, 2020 at 01:52 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 01:52 PM There was nothing being "defended", especially not the constitution, when you're literally giving ammunition to folks who want to dismantle the 2nd Amendment.I mean you totally missed the only point made by showing up armed, because they could. Cowering to people that attempt to take away your 2nd amendment is even stupider than what these people are protesting. If they tried to infringe than maybe these people would actually practice some actual civil disobedience instead of theatrics. Or theyd join the side of the state in a Faustian bargain to keep their guns. You can never tell with that crowd. One minute theyre crying about having a boot on their throat, the next theyre telling others with boots on their throats to step in line. Claims the Boston tea party is their heritage but gets outraged if a protestor smashes a Starbucks window or tips a city government owned garbage can over. On another note this is what annoys me about the liberal gun argument, they treat it like a privilege when its a natural right. With you on all of that, 100%. Cosplay is not civil disobedience. Dressing up like a warrior is different from being a warrior. Rights aren't negotiable, but you also shouldn't forget that with rights come responsibilities. "Just because I can" is never an actual act of protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:23 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:23 PM There was nothing being "defended", especially not the constitution, when you're literally giving ammunition to folks who want to dismantle the 2nd Amendment.I mean you totally missed the only point made by showing up armed, because they could. Cowering to people that attempt to take away your 2nd amendment is even stupider than what these people are protesting. If they tried to infringe than maybe these people would actually practice some actual civil disobedience instead of theatrics. Or theyd join the side of the state in a Faustian bargain to keep their guns. You can never tell with that crowd. One minute theyre crying about having a boot on their throat, the next theyre telling others with boots on their throats to step in line. Claims the Boston tea party is their heritage but gets outraged if a protestor smashes a Starbucks window or tips a city government owned garbage can over. On another note this is what annoys me about the liberal gun argument, they treat it like a privilege when its a natural right. With you on all of that, 100%. Cosplay is not civil disobedience. Dressing up like a warrior is different from being a warrior. Rights aren't negotiable, but you also shouldn't forget that with rights come responsibilities. "Just because I can" is never an actual act of protest. True civil disobedience is opening your business in the face of the shutdowns. True civil disobedience is patronizing a business that should not be open. True civil disobedience is a peaceful uprising. Think about how differently the the civil rights protests would have gone if black people had sat at the lunch counter surrounded by more black people with long guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:30 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:30 PM Another perspective to add to this thread. Not mine but I agree with everything he says. This was shared in a private FB group re the Ector County larpers but it fits better here. The author has allowed it to be shared anonymously. I've been accused many times of being no fun at parties due to my serious nature around weapons and use of force. I'm OK with that. Two things you won't catch me doing, getting shot at a public range by some unsupervised yayhoo, and getting arrested after bluffing about my intention to use a weapon that I had no real intention of using.Here is a good example of not having mission clarity, scope of perspective or willingness to follow through. Why show up with guns? Who are you protecting the businesses from if the minute the Sheriff shows up to arrest people you put your hands up?I'm not advocating that they should have shot the cops. I'm of the mind that they should not have been there larping the threeper life in the first place.This optic does nothing good for the 2A or the people trying to get back to their businesses. It's used to create ridiculous narratives like, it's all the redneck violent Trump supporters who are protesting and want to lift restrictions, and other utter horses**t that the media will use to divide us further.As agencies and politicians around the nation have shown that they have zero issues with disregarding the constitutional rights of citizens, and people are increasingly losing their livelihoods and businesses due to those infractions, it is possible we will see the heat get turned up and conflict may be inevitable.Understand your mission, be very clear about what you are willing and not willing to do, why you will do it, who you will do it to, and what the far reaching consequences of those actions will entail-specifically how the far reaching implications will affect the mission.I typically stay quiet anymore, because everything is immediately converted into some partisan bulls**t (and if it happens in the comments here I will nuke you, keep politics out of the discussion). Either that, or it's full of the bluffing and fluffing nature of everyone in this social media world. It's easy to get some of the spoils of action without actually doing the action, just look the part and you're there.Now more than ever is when you need to represent. Represent yourself, your family, your communities, your beliefs. Represent by showing up and doing the actual work to be the badass you envision yourself being, because that work is not glorious. No one gives a that I go outside and workout for hours most days during this. Should they? Doesn't matter, we do things to prepare, to reach the optimum, to represent if IF the time ever chooses us.But be damn sure if you don't do that work, and you let your fantasy social media life transpose itself into the real world, you will be as transparent as a ing cooked sweet potato starch noodle (they're very clear, btw) and will have the consistency of one also.Best case scenario, you will be arrested, lose your rights (ironically) and will be immortalized as a joke. Worst case, you get burned down by the guy who showed up prepared and with the intention to do work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:34 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:34 PM /\/\/\ this, disobey and defend, dont posture cuz theyll call your bluff and you look like the idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:36 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:36 PM There was nothing being "defended", especially not the constitution, when you're literally giving ammunition to folks who want to dismantle the 2nd Amendment.I mean you totally missed the only point made by showing up armed, because they could. Cowering to people that attempt to take away your 2nd amendment is even stupider than what these people are protesting.If they tried to infringe than maybe these people would actually practice some actual civil disobedience instead of theatrics. Or theyd join the side of the state in a Faustian bargain to keep their guns. You can never tell with that crowd. One minute theyre crying about having a boot on their throat, the next theyre telling others with boots on their throats to step in line. Claims the Boston tea party is their heritage but gets outraged if a protestor smashes a Starbucks window or tips a city government owned garbage can over.On another note this is what annoys me about the liberal gun argument, they treat it like a privilege when its a natural right.With you on all of that, 100%. Cosplay is not civil disobedience. Dressing up like a warrior is different from being a warrior. Rights aren't negotiable, but you also shouldn't forget that with rights come responsibilities. "Just because I can" is never an actual act of protest. True civil disobedience is opening your business in the face of the shutdowns. True civil disobedience is patronizing a business that should not be open. True civil disobedience is a peaceful uprising. Think about how differently the the civil rights protests would have gone if black people had sat at the lunch counter surrounded by more black people with long guns. Ill agree with most of this. The last part though........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:48 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:48 PM There was nothing being "defended", especially not the constitution, when you're literally giving ammunition to folks who want to dismantle the 2nd Amendment.I mean you totally missed the only point made by showing up armed, because they could. Cowering to people that attempt to take away your 2nd amendment is even stupider than what these people are protesting.If they tried to infringe than maybe these people would actually practice some actual civil disobedience instead of theatrics. Or theyd join the side of the state in a Faustian bargain to keep their guns. You can never tell with that crowd. One minute theyre crying about having a boot on their throat, the next theyre telling others with boots on their throats to step in line. Claims the Boston tea party is their heritage but gets outraged if a protestor smashes a Starbucks window or tips a city government owned garbage can over.On another note this is what annoys me about the liberal gun argument, they treat it like a privilege when its a natural right.With you on all of that, 100%. Cosplay is not civil disobedience. Dressing up like a warrior is different from being a warrior. Rights aren't negotiable, but you also shouldn't forget that with rights come responsibilities. "Just because I can" is never an actual act of protest. True civil disobedience is opening your business in the face of the shutdowns. True civil disobedience is patronizing a business that should not be open. True civil disobedience is a peaceful uprising. Think about how differently the the civil rights protests would have gone if black people had sat at the lunch counter surrounded by more black people with long guns. Ill agree with most of this. The last part though........ AC6C8937-773E-4DE5-B2E6-E0017641C5FD.jpeg5BDBC486-2801-4F3E-8D81-95A466BF0CE1.jpegC79469F4-F9C8-43A6-9502-1FDC53FD49BC.jpeg717AAB79-FAE9-4C03-A7F0-76F69022542E.jpegD99C7990-58D4-414E-AA0A-33E0F0FABAB1.jpeg I don't see any lunch counters in those photos. You make a good point though as those actions led to the Mulford Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:52 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:52 PM There was nothing being "defended", especially not the constitution, when you're literally giving ammunition to folks who want to dismantle the 2nd Amendment.I mean you totally missed the only point made by showing up armed, because they could. Cowering to people that attempt to take away your 2nd amendment is even stupider than what these people are protesting.If they tried to infringe than maybe these people would actually practice some actual civil disobedience instead of theatrics. Or theyd join the side of the state in a Faustian bargain to keep their guns. You can never tell with that crowd. One minute theyre crying about having a boot on their throat, the next theyre telling others with boots on their throats to step in line. Claims the Boston tea party is their heritage but gets outraged if a protestor smashes a Starbucks window or tips a city government owned garbage can over.On another note this is what annoys me about the liberal gun argument, they treat it like a privilege when its a natural right.With you on all of that, 100%. Cosplay is not civil disobedience. Dressing up like a warrior is different from being a warrior. Rights aren't negotiable, but you also shouldn't forget that with rights come responsibilities. "Just because I can" is never an actual act of protest. True civil disobedience is opening your business in the face of the shutdowns. True civil disobedience is patronizing a business that should not be open. True civil disobedience is a peaceful uprising. Think about how differently the the civil rights protests would have gone if black people had sat at the lunch counter surrounded by more black people with long guns. Ill agree with most of this. The last part though........ AC6C8937-773E-4DE5-B2E6-E0017641C5FD.jpeg5BDBC486-2801-4F3E-8D81-95A466BF0CE1.jpegC79469F4-F9C8-43A6-9502-1FDC53FD49BC.jpeg717AAB79-FAE9-4C03-A7F0-76F69022542E.jpegD99C7990-58D4-414E-AA0A-33E0F0FABAB1.jpegThe images in these pictures led to why Ronald Reagan gave us the gun control movement. True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:54 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 03:54 PM Another perspective to add to this thread. Not mine but I agree with everything he says. This was shared in a private FB group re the Ector County larpers but it fits better here. The author has allowed it to be shared anonymously. I've been accused many times of being no fun at parties due to my serious nature around weapons and use of force. I'm OK with that. Two things you won't catch me doing, getting shot at a public range by some unsupervised yayhoo, and getting arrested after bluffing about my intention to use a weapon that I had no real intention of using.Here is a good example of not having mission clarity, scope of perspective or willingness to follow through. Why show up with guns? Who are you protecting the businesses from if the minute the Sheriff shows up to arrest people you put your hands up?I'm not advocating that they should have shot the cops. I'm of the mind that they should not have been there larping the threeper life in the first place.This optic does nothing good for the 2A or the people trying to get back to their businesses. It's used to create ridiculous narratives like, it's all the redneck violent Trump supporters who are protesting and want to lift restrictions, and other utter horses**t that the media will use to divide us further.As agencies and politicians around the nation have shown that they have zero issues with disregarding the constitutional rights of citizens, and people are increasingly losing their livelihoods and businesses due to those infractions, it is possible we will see the heat get turned up and conflict may be inevitable.Understand your mission, be very clear about what you are willing and not willing to do, why you will do it, who you will do it to, and what the far reaching consequences of those actions will entail-specifically how the far reaching implications will affect the mission.I typically stay quiet anymore, because everything is immediately converted into some partisan bulls**t (and if it happens in the comments here I will nuke you, keep politics out of the discussion). Either that, or it's full of the bluffing and fluffing nature of everyone in this social media world. It's easy to get some of the spoils of action without actually doing the action, just look the part and you're there.Now more than ever is when you need to represent. Represent yourself, your family, your communities, your beliefs. Represent by showing up and doing the actual work to be the badass you envision yourself being, because that work is not glorious. No one gives a that I go outside and workout for hours most days during this. Should they? Doesn't matter, we do things to prepare, to reach the optimum, to represent if IF the time ever chooses us.But be damn sure if you don't do that work, and you let your fantasy social media life transpose itself into the real world, you will be as transparent as a ing cooked sweet potato starch noodle (they're very clear, btw) and will have the consistency of one also.Best case scenario, you will be arrested, lose your rights (ironically) and will be immortalized as a joke. Worst case, you get burned down by the guy who showed up prepared and with the intention to do work. I don't disagree with anything posted there either. Here's the thing: showing up with no plan, no mission, and armed, is a recipe for all sorts of disaster. If you have firmly held beliefs, and guns are helpful in promoting them, be VERY clear about it all. Don't be a wishy washy dude who looks like an extra from Lord of The Rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted May 7, 2020 at 04:13 PM Share Posted May 7, 2020 at 04:13 PM True, which is why people need to be reminded that gun control is bi-partisan and has its roots in racism https://www.mom-at-arms.com/post/governor-whitmer-repeating-the-history-of-what-happened-in-1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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