Hap Posted January 26, 2015 at 01:24 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 01:24 PM Last year the Niles village trustees voted to allow construction of a gun store and range by the Sportsman's Club and Firearms Training Academy. There was an article in the Trib (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/park-ridge-niles/ct-niles-gun-range-met-20141017-story.html) which stated that a group calling itself People for a Safer Society had filed suit against the village with the goal of overturning the village's decision. The attorney, Anthony S. Hind, and his law firm have links to press coverage on their FB page (https://www.facebook.com/centrallawgroupevanston?fref=nf), the most recent being 12/16/2014, so apparently it's still alive. However, I have not been able to find this lawsuit listed via the Cook County court docket search site and the Village offices have not returned calls concerning this matter. Has anyone here heard anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:26 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:26 PM They have a Facebook. Looks like a repository of anti media clips so far. Still digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:32 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:32 PM This is the most up to date post relevant to your question... http://niles.chicagotribune.com/2014/12/11/niles-hires-attorneys-handle-gun-shop-lawsuit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:34 PM Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:34 PM OK, so it's moving, but very, very, very slowly. It will be interesting to see how long the range has been open by the time the case is decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:44 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:44 PM I need to bleach my eyes after spending time on their Facebook. I thought cruel and unusual was supposed to only be dealt out at alphabet agency dark sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:55 PM Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 02:55 PM Argh! Just had a look - wow! It will be interesting to see how they react when they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpnpump Posted January 26, 2015 at 04:58 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 04:58 PM I wouldn't put it past the anti's to get someone to do something stupid with a firearm and try linking themselves to the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted January 26, 2015 at 05:06 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 05:06 PM Lee Goodman is still at it. Iirc, that's Ellen Chiocca (sp?) next to him. I'd have to review the Niles story and interview that played on channel 2's 10pm news to be sure. She's a nut bag abusing her professional license as an Advanced Practice Nurse to make ridiculous claims such as PTSD after only a 20 second conversation. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/26/1deb2db99729d420788ea4bf250f4a7e.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted January 26, 2015 at 06:55 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 06:55 PM Lee Goodman is still at it. Iirc, that's Ellen Chiocca (sp?) next to him. I'd have to review the Niles story and interview that played on channel 2's 10pm news to be sure. She's a nut bag abusing her professional license as an Advanced Practice Nurse to make ridiculous claims such as PTSD after only a 20 second conversation. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/26/1deb2db99729d420788ea4bf250f4a7e.jpgWas that you that she accused of having PTSD, or another Illinois Carry member? And did you ever manage to contact her licensing agency to lodge a formal complaint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted January 26, 2015 at 07:17 PM Share Posted January 26, 2015 at 07:17 PM Lee Goodman is still at it. Iirc, that's Ellen Chiocca (sp?) next to him. I'd have to review the Niles story and interview that played on channel 2's 10pm news to be sure. She's a nut bag abusing her professional license as an Advanced Practice Nurse to make ridiculous claims such as PTSD after only a 20 second conversation. Was that you that she accused of having PTSD, or another Illinois Carry member? And did you ever manage to contact her licensing agency to lodge a formal complaint? It was me, and I sent a letter, but that was pretty much the end of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted January 27, 2015 at 10:25 PM Share Posted January 27, 2015 at 10:25 PM Lee Goodman is still at it. Iirc, that's Ellen Chiocca (sp?) next to him. I'd have to review the Niles story and interview that played on channel 2's 10pm news to be sure. She's a nut bag abusing her professional license as an Advanced Practice Nurse to make ridiculous claims such as PTSD after only a 20 second conversation. Was that you that she accused of having PTSD, or another Illinois Carry member? And did you ever manage to contact her licensing agency to lodge a formal complaint?It was me, and I sent a letter, but that was pretty much the end of that.This is an interesting case study. Not to say that ALL mental health professionals share her attitude, but it really goes to show you the problems with trying to address the so-called "mental health gun issue". As long as people fear losing their rights if they seek help for a mental problem, then they won't bother getting treatment out of fear of losing their rights. I'm surprised more people don't address this elephant in the room. People are always screaming and yelling that "we need stronger mental health reporting laws", but such things are unworkable as long as they pose a threat to the exercise of someone's constitutional rights. And as history has shown, people are more than willing to abuse the mental health reporting functions that are in place if they want to get back at someone (or out of a misguided attempt to help a "sick" person). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted January 31, 2015 at 06:49 AM Share Posted January 31, 2015 at 06:49 AM A great organization to tap into is Doctors For Responsible Gun Ownership: http://www.drgo.us/?page_id=47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted March 14, 2015 at 05:46 AM Share Posted March 14, 2015 at 05:46 AM This is the latest update on lawsuit. http://www.journal-topics.com/news/article_78e6f9b0-c81f-11e4-8bec-9fa6bcf76ddd.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted April 14, 2015 at 12:09 PM Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 at 12:09 PM According to that article a ruling on a preliminary question which would have a major affect on the chances for success of this lawsuit is expected today (4/14/2015). At issue in a ruling, expected Tuesday, Apr. 14, is whether the challenge to the special use permit would be “facial” or “as applied.” In their motion to dismiss the suit, Niles attorneys wrote, “An applied challenge represents a plaintiff’s protest against how a statute was applied in a particular context… while a facial challenge represents a plaintiff’s contention that a statute is incapable of constitutional application in any context.” Because the case could not withstand a facial challenge, village attorneys say in their motion that the case should be dismissed. People For A Safer Society attorney Anthony Hind said he believes the standard in the gun shop case should rest on the “as applied” standard, based on long-standing state law, and that it should move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted April 14, 2015 at 01:16 PM Share Posted April 14, 2015 at 01:16 PM I hope to hear that the "People for defenseless sheep" group gets their hand slapped hard today. After losing a fair fight (when the village voted) they attempt to muddy the waters with more lies and egregious statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted April 16, 2015 at 06:40 PM Share Posted April 16, 2015 at 06:40 PM This is the latest update on lawsuit. http://www.journal-topics.com/news/article_78e6f9b0-c81f-11e4-8bec-9fa6bcf76ddd.htmlCan you resubmit this link? It doesn't seem to be working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted April 17, 2015 at 04:59 AM Share Posted April 17, 2015 at 04:59 AM Its still working on my end. Havent seen anything on a court ruling yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted April 17, 2015 at 01:34 PM Share Posted April 17, 2015 at 01:34 PM Its still working on my end. Havent seen anything on a court ruling yet. Still working for me too, but I haven't seen an update in over a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted April 17, 2015 at 09:33 PM Share Posted April 17, 2015 at 09:33 PM Next ruling expected in May http://www.journal-topics.com/news/article_75b11f76-e3ab-11e4-82b1-37025968c9f1.html Posted: Wednesday,April 15, 2015 6:30 am Gun Lawsuit Ruling Expected Attorneys representing anti-gun activists the People for a Safer Society and the village of Niles were in Cook County court Tuesday giving oral arguments for about 45 minutes in a status hearing for a case challenging the villages process for approving a gun shop and shooting range on Caldwell Avenue that has yet to be built. The judge is expected to give a ruling Thursday, May 14 at 3 p.m. in a Cook County courtroom in the Daley Center in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicc Posted May 14, 2015 at 08:54 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 08:54 PM Any updates on ruling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted May 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM This case is 2014 CH 16850 in Cook County Court. To track it, go to http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/?section=CASEINFOPage&CASEINFOPage=2400 Select "Chancery" from the first drop-down menu, and, under Search by Case Number, enter Case Year: 2014Division Code: CHCase Number: 16850 then hit the "Search Now" button. For today, there is the helpful and informative note: COURTS MOTION THIS CASE IS TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT Also, People for a Safer Society, the plaintiff in this case, has a Facebook page if you want to check that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:31 PM Share Posted May 14, 2015 at 11:31 PM So the judge is expected to make a ruling....expected to make a ruling....expected to make a ruling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted May 15, 2015 at 12:27 AM Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 12:27 AM Next court date June 11: http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/skokie/news/ct-nhs-gun-range-date-tl-0521-20150514-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicc Posted May 15, 2015 at 02:13 AM Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 02:13 AM This case is 2014 CH 16850 in Cook County Court. To track it, go to http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/?section=CASEINFOPage&CASEINFOPage=2400 Select "Chancery" from the first drop-down menu, and, under Search by Case Number, enter Case Year: 2014Division Code: CHCase Number: 16850 then hit the "Search Now" button. For today, there is the helpful and informative note: COURTS MOTION THIS CASE IS TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT Also, People for a Safer Society, the plaintiff in this case, has a Facebook page if you want to check that.Thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 15, 2015 at 10:49 AM Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 10:49 AM The way this case is going with the Judge "holding...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:01 PM Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:01 PM What's going on AT THE BUILDING?? Or has this lawsuit frozen everything? "a right delayed is a right denied"... which would shine a different light upon the judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:47 PM Share Posted May 15, 2015 at 06:47 PM What's going on AT THE BUILDING?? Or has this lawsuit frozen everything? "a right delayed is a right denied"... which would shine a different light upon the judge.I don't know, but given the potential for loss of your investment I'd think the building improvements are probably on hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadude999 Posted May 16, 2015 at 03:22 AM Share Posted May 16, 2015 at 03:22 AM I can go check. I work about a block away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddan Posted May 16, 2015 at 03:10 PM Share Posted May 16, 2015 at 03:10 PM What's going on AT THE BUILDING?? Or has this lawsuit frozen everything? "a right delayed is a right denied"... which would shine a different light upon the judge.I don't know, but given the potential for loss of your investment I'd think the building improvements are probably on hold.And no bank will lend on a project like this until all the necessary permits, licenses, etc are in place - for exactly the same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 17, 2015 at 04:05 AM Share Posted May 17, 2015 at 04:05 AM Lee Goodman is still at it. Iirc, that's Ellen Chiocca (sp?) next to him. I'd have to review the Niles story and interview that played on channel 2's 10pm news to be sure. She's a nut bag abusing her professional license as an Advanced Practice Nurse to make ridiculous claims such as PTSD after only a 20 second conversation. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/26/1deb2db99729d420788ea4bf250f4a7e.jpg That's not Ellen Chiocca, but the one sitting next to that lady is People For a Safer Society founder Denyse Wang Stoneback. This is Ellen Chiocca:http://csh.depaul.edu/faculty-staff/faculty-a-z/PublishingImages/EChioccaV1-2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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