428 replies to this topic

[Dr. Rat]

http://www.chicagotr...0830-story.html

 

More evidence to support repealing the ban on carrying on public transportation. As if we really needed any more...

[Googe1227]

Yeah, I saw that this morning and was thinking the same thing Dr.

[C0untZer0]

Deb Mell has already moved on...

[Molly B.]

Where is our topic listing  Mass Transit crimes?  I wanted to pin that and round up all these incidents into one area for quick access.

[Patriots & Tyrants]

/purp. We don't need guns, we need to ban knives!

[Tango7]

For rise that forget the outright lying that occurred during the staged "debate", please remember the following:

Here's the Wednesday Sun Times, talking about the CCW hearings, and brave Representative Mell and her stand against guns on trains.



Wish someone in Springfield on Tuesday had a copy of the Sun Times handy to counter her argument. Get a load of the headline:



Yes, the same day she made her claims about "gunfights" that would be the fault of law-abiding licenses.

[Molly B.]

The vote was 65-45.  Wonder what it would be today?  By the time there is a chance to vote on this again, it will a year since licenses began to be issued.  I would like to have a complete list of crimes committed on mass transit, at the stops, and in the parking lots.

 

That will take a lot of gathering but, I think with all of us together, we can get it done.

[Hap]

Why not file a ginormous FOIA request with CPD & CTA and let them dp the work? You would want to audit it against independently-gathered data, of course.

[singlecoilpickup]

It sounds like there was some kind of altercation before the knife was pulled, and the details here seem scant. For example, if the wounded victim threatened knife guy, you could argue knife guy was defending himself from an assault. I'm not saying that's what happened, but I'm just saying with the details available, I'm not sure if the cut guy would have qualified as a legitimate DGU. 

[Indigo]

I'm wondering if HeyJackass! would be able to pull out the CTA/METRA data?  Can't find a way to contact them, though, and that data breakout doesn't show on their website.  Anybody got a contact?

[InterestedBystander]

I'm wondering if HeyJackass! would be able to pull out the CTA/METRA data?  Can't find a way to contact them, though, and that data breakout doesn't show on their website.  Anybody got a contact?

They have a twitter account and a facebook page.    (links at top right of their web page)

 

E-mail listed is w.h.thompson@heyjackass.com

Edited by InterestedBystander, 30 August 2014 - 01:42 PM.

[Indigo]

Thanks for the info!

[Tango7]

The vote was 65-45.  Wonder what it would be today?  By the time there is a chance to vote on this again, it will a year since licenses began to be issued.  I would like to have a complete list of crimes committed on mass transit, at the stops, and in the parking lots.
 
That will take a lot of gathering but, I think with all of us together, we can get it done.

I tried compiling a list of fatalities on CTA and in parks and playgrounds through the red eye death database, but only found a handful with enough data to discern the story, as well as if the offender had a criminal history.

To say all murders receive different degrees of media coverage is an understatement.

[Googe1227]

Didn't you hear Tango? Chicago is a safe place to live, work and visit. Just ask tiny dancer, McNumbnuts and the fawning press.

[JackTripper]

Update. The victim's face has been permanently disfigured.

http://www.suntimes....ml#.VAKSifk8CA8

Edited by JackTripper, 30 August 2014 - 09:12 PM.

[Nanook]

Chicago's infamous swinging door justice system strikes again. This guy's got a long record, and just got out of prison in July. Late August and he's back at it. 

 

They'll slap his wrist and let him go. 

 

And of course, he won't have any money to pay restitution to the victim. 

[C0untZer0]

Hey Jackass uses a few different sources of data, but the main source that they use is the Chicago Crime Portal.

 

One of the problems with trying to quantify CTA crime is that the crime must take place on or in actual CTA property for it to be assigned the "CTA" location code in the Chicago crime portal.

 

So if someone is accosted on the sidewalk outside of a CTA station, or 10 feet from a CTA bus stop - the location is not noted as "CTA nnn", the location is noted as "SIDEWALK".

 

Also, many parking facilities, while they are right next to the CTA and used almost exclusively by CTA patrons, are not actually part of the CTA.  Even some parking facilities which say "CTA Parking" might not be CTA property, I'm assuming the CTA has entered into some revenue sharing scheme with the property owners or something.  So if a person is victimized in a CTA parking lot - the crime might not have "CTA" as the location code, it will have the street address of the parking facility.

 

Even though its not perfect, the data paints a horrible picture of victimization in on the CTA

 

City of Chicago Data Portal

 

 

Edited by C0untZer0, 21 November 2014 - 09:05 PM.

[C0untZer0]

Opps - I published the results above from Jan 2014, the results changed after about 45 days.  I'm not sure what all causes the change - probably bad reporting and reclassification of crimes but the revised numbers are:

 

 

1 homicide at a CTA location in 2013

 

 

5 criminal sexual assaults attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2013.

 

   3 criminal sexual assaults.

      1 non-aggravated criminal sexual assault.

      2 aggravated criminal sexual assault involving a knife / cutting instrument

 

   2 attempted criminal sexual assaults, both non-aggravated.

 

 

197 armed robberies or attempted armed robberies at CTA locations in 2013 

 

   184 armed robberies.

   13 attempted armed robberies.

 

 

30 aggravated robberies or attempted aggravated robberies at CTA locations in 2013

 

   28 aggravated robberies.

   2 attempted aggravated robberies.

 

 

539 "strongarm" robberies or attempted "strongarm" robberies at CTA locations in 2013

 

   496 "strongarm" robberies.

   43 attempted "strongarm" robberies.

 

 

Summary for robberies: 766 times people were targets for being forcibly robbed, 58 times the attempts were unsuccessful, 708 times people were robbed.

 

 

96 cases of serious assault or serious battery at CTA locations in 2013.

 

   63 cases of aggravated battery involving aggravated battery of a senior citizen, a handgun,

        knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon.

   33 cases of aggravated assault involving a handgun. knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon.

 

[Tango7]

Opps - I published the results above from Jan 2014, the results changed after about 45 days.  I'm not sure what all causes the change - probably bad reporting and reclassification of crimes but the revised numbers are:
 
 

1 homicide at a CTA location in 2013
 
 
5 criminal sexual assaults attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2013.
 
   3 criminal sexual assaults.
      1 non-aggravated criminal sexual assault.
      2 aggravated criminal sexual assault involving a knife / cutting instrument
 
   2 attempted criminal sexual assaults, both non-aggravated.
 
 
197 armed robberies or attempted armed robberies at CTA locations in 2013 
 
   184 armed robberies.
   13 attempted armed robberies.
 
 
30 aggravated robberies or attempted aggravated robberies at CTA locations in 2013
 
   28 aggravated robberies.
   2 attempted aggravated robberies.
 
 
539 "strongarm" robberies or attempted "strongarm" robberies at CTA locations in 2013
 
   496 "strongarm" robberies.
   43 attempted "strongarm" robberies.
 
 
Summary for robberies: 766 times people were targets for being forcibly robbed, 58 times the attempts were unsuccessful, 708 times people were robbed.
 
 
96 cases of serious assault or serious battery at CTA locations in 2013.
 
   63 cases of aggravated battery involving aggravated battery of a senior citizen, a handgun,
        knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon.
   33 cases of aggravated assault involving a handgun. knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon.

Excellent stats.

Time to use these to eliminate 65(8).

[C0untZer0]

I honestly think the best collection of news reports of CTA crimes exists right here on this forum, but I don't think many of them are tagged.  It is a matter of searching this forum and putting the stories all in one thread.

[2A4Cook]

Beyond a doubt the dumbest CPZ created by the Act. WTH wouldn't the CTA & Metra want what would amount to free private security services? The most convenient crime available. Hop on a bus or train, peruse your shopping list of victims, commit the crime of of your choice, hop off said bus or train, hop on another and get away.

We all need to get to work on our state legislators. All this collected data needs to find its way into a press release; surely, some news media or other will bite on it.

[Dr. Rat]

Beyond a doubt the dumbest CPZ created by the Act. WTH wouldn't the CTA & Metra want what would amount to free private security services? The most convenient crime available. Hop on a bus or train, peruse your shopping list of victims, commit the crime of of your choice, hop off said bus or train, hop on another and get away.

We all need to get to work on our state legislators. All this collected data needs to find its way into a press release; surely, some news media or other will bite on it.

 

Excellent idea.

[Double-J]

Another example of rehabilitation through the incarceration process in Jails for violent offenders. What a freekin joke. They come out meaner, more agressive and intollerant than when they went in. And they learn more about the law than the common citizen so that it can be used to dictake their actions and your re-action to pad their bank accounts when you step on their civil liberties. 

 

Remember its all about the children you know and someone needs to protect them when riding public transportation along with law abiding adults.

Edited by Double-J, 31 August 2014 - 09:41 AM.

[Indigo]

NBC 5 did this story on CTA crime in January 2014 :  http://www.nbcchicag...-242874801.html

 

CBS 2 did an investigative report on CTA crimes, and how they keep the bulletins and videos under wraps:  http://chicago.cbslo...ns-under-wraps/

 

Not only is CPD lying to us reclassifying crimes to keep their statistics from looking too bad, but CTA is definitely hiding info from the public.  

[C0untZer0]

Another source of crime statistics, the Chicago Tribune Crime map

 

Not the categories or graphs so much as the map.  You can see the number of crimes that occur along the CTA lines.

 

http://crime.chicago.../community/loop

[2A4Cook]

They ought to rename it the "Criminal Transit Access."

[C0untZer0]

6800 crimes a year on the CTA or at CTA locations:

 

http://abc7chicago.c...rchive/9015519/

 

 

2013 RedlineProject crime map

 

http://redlineprojec...lt/assault.html

 

 

On March 16th 2013 a man was beaten to death at a Green Line station:

 

http://articles.chic...tivity-platform

 

 

On May 2nd 2013 a woman was raped at an Edgewater bus stop in broad daylight:

 

http://wgntv.com/201...water-bus-stop/

 

 

Woman sexually assaulted in CTA parking lot

 

http://www.chicagotr...1229-story.html

 

Young man drops gun on bus after altercation:

 

http://chicago.cbslo...campaign=563194

 

 

CTA replace security contractors with administrative employees:

 

Illinois Carry thread: http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=37454

 

News article:

 

http://www.suntimes....ml#.VANNivldV5Y

 

 

 

Men rob Orange Line car:

 

http://www.myfoxchic...ange-line-train

 

 

Robbery near the Red Line:

 

http://www.chicagotr...0301-story.html

 

 

Car break ins at CTA parking lots:

 

http://6abc.com/archive/9273326/

 

 

CTA Red Line stabbing:

 

http://www.dnainfo.c...prosecutors-say

 

 

Chicago ordinance for increasing fines for non-FOID card holders found with gun along CTAS routes:

 

http://www.progressi...-public-transit

 

http://www.cityofchi...IntroSafety.pdf

 

 

Man attacked woman at West Side bus stop:

 

http://articles.chic...t-park-man-hill

 

 

Man charged in Midway Orange Line, Montclare rape attacks

 

http://www.chicagotr...1229-story.html

 

 

Man reports he was robbed at knife point, assaulted on Near North Side:

 

http://www.chicagotr...0129-story.html

Edited by C0untZer0, 31 August 2014 - 11:26 AM.

[C0untZer0]

 

 

Good Samaritans Save Woman From Orange Line Attacker

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3769169.html

 

 

Data Reveals Most Crime-Ridden CTA Stations

 

http://www.nbcchicag...-242874801.html

 

 

CTA Blue Line Worker Attacked At Knifepoint

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3727912.html

 

 

Man Accused Of Molesting CTA Bus Driver

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3473847.html

 

 

Analysis: New CTA Cameras Aren't Cutting Crime

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_2766457.html

Edited by C0untZer0, 31 August 2014 - 12:18 PM.

[domin8]

Ooh! I love the Huffington links. Huffington screams anti-gun almost daily, and is a news source preferred by antis. Even if we waived statistics from their favorite media source in their face they'd still say, "That data has been disprove." without citing counter data or sources. That's when we need to jump on that and hammer away at discrediting that individual.

"The truth of the matter is that you always know the right thing to do. The hard part is doing it." -Norman Schwarzkopf

[Molly B.]

If anyone finds the previous topics on this subject, please post the links.

 

Thank you Dr. Rat for allowing us to use your topic to compile our info.