Little Duck Posted June 20, 2017 at 08:30 PM Share Posted June 20, 2017 at 08:30 PM Can you carry at a county fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted June 20, 2017 at 08:53 PM Share Posted June 20, 2017 at 08:53 PM Assuming that the fair is either on government property or requires a special permit, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted June 20, 2017 at 09:14 PM Share Posted June 20, 2017 at 09:14 PM IANAL, but the prohibition may only apply to inside the buildings. " (5) Any building or portion of a building under the control of a unit of local government." Doesn't say real property or parking lot, like most other areas listed in the statute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted June 20, 2017 at 09:19 PM Share Posted June 20, 2017 at 09:19 PM I'd look for a sign. There are many variables that could exclude a county fair from the statutory list. And then, if none of those variables are present, look for a sign. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted June 20, 2017 at 09:58 PM Share Posted June 20, 2017 at 09:58 PM OP you didn't supply a lot of information. What county fair and is it on county fairgrounds? If it's on county fairgrounds then you might be answering your own question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDlady Posted June 20, 2017 at 10:55 PM Share Posted June 20, 2017 at 10:55 PM Was wondering the same thing about the fairs myself. Everyone always assumes the county owns the fairgrounds. The Lake and McHenry County fairgrounds are privately owned by nonprofit groups. I have been to a couple meetings at a building at the McHenry County fairgrounds and never saw a sign. Might be different for the actual fair though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted June 20, 2017 at 11:09 PM Share Posted June 20, 2017 at 11:09 PM Was wondering the same thing about the fairs myself. Everyone always assumes the county owns the fairgrounds. The Lake and McHenry County fairgrounds are privately owned by nonprofit groups. I have been to a couple meetings at a building at the McHenry County fairgrounds and never saw a sign. Might be different for the actual fair though.Will County fairgrounds are posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted June 21, 2017 at 12:55 AM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 12:55 AM Does Crook County even have a fair? If it did, it is guaranteed to be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted June 21, 2017 at 01:04 AM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 01:04 AM Does Crook County even have a fair? If it did, it is guaranteed to be posted.No...Crook county is a circus, complete with a clown for a mayor of Chitcago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted June 21, 2017 at 01:37 AM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 01:37 AM Adams County owns theirs and it is heavily posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Duck Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:57 AM Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:57 AM Sorry got busy, and couldn't get back as soon as I wanted. There is no alcohol sold on site. I think property is owned by the far association. Not the county.Thanks for all the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted June 21, 2017 at 12:42 PM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 12:42 PM I believe that the Kane County Flea Market (first of the month) is NOT posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:19 PM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 03:19 PM There's no way for the CCL holder to know if an event has a permit. If there is an event permit, isn't the permit applicant required to post the infamous 4"X 6" signage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted June 21, 2017 at 06:07 PM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 06:07 PM There's no way for the CCL holder to know if an event has a permit. If there is an event permit, isn't the permit applicant required to post the infamous 4"X 6" signage? In theory yes they are supposed to post...how many events with special permits do you see posting? 10%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted June 21, 2017 at 06:35 PM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 06:35 PM There's no way for the CCL holder to know if an event has a permit. If there is an event permit, isn't the permit applicant required to post the infamous 4"X 6" signage? In theory yes they are supposed to post...how many events with special permits do you see posting? 10%? I don't know...because there's no way for me to know which have permits and which don't. And, I think it's unreasonable for me to do the research. So, no sign, no problem...carry on. In fact, I'm totally cool with any person or entity who is required by law to post but does not. There's no penalty for them. For instance, if a school or city hall or 51% restaurant doesn't post...where's the harm? As far as I can tell, there isn't any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 21, 2017 at 06:40 PM Share Posted June 21, 2017 at 06:40 PM For the gun shows at Wheaton and Kane fairgrounds, if I remember correctly, Wheaton was posted with the no carry signs...not sure if just gun show or regular fairground posting, while Kane only had signs that all firearms, including CC needed to be unloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted June 22, 2017 at 01:13 PM Share Posted June 22, 2017 at 01:13 PM For the gun shows at Wheaton and Kane fairgrounds, if I remember correctly, Wheaton was posted with the no carry signs...not sure if just gun show or regular fairground posting, while Kane only had signs that all firearms, including CC needed to be unloaded. Isn't that ridiculous? LMFAO. A gun show that won't allow guns! Because, you know, someone with a CCL might go in there and try to rob the place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted June 22, 2017 at 01:14 PM Share Posted June 22, 2017 at 01:14 PM It is pretty funny, actually...most people who put up the sign think they're keeping guns out of their premises. But, anyone with a FOID can carry an unloaded gun in a case into the establishment and the sign doesn't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted June 23, 2017 at 01:16 AM Share Posted June 23, 2017 at 01:16 AM I believe that the Kane County Flea Market (first of the month) is NOT posted.good to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted June 23, 2017 at 02:43 AM Share Posted June 23, 2017 at 02:43 AM There's no way for the CCL holder to know if an event has a permit. If there is an event permit, isn't the permit applicant required to post the infamous 4"X 6" signage? In theory yes they are supposed to post...how many events with special permits do you see posting? 10%? I don't know...because there's no way for me to know which have permits and which don't. And, I think it's unreasonable for me to do the research. So, no sign, no problem...carry on.In fact, I'm totally cool with any person or entity who is required by law to post but does not. There's no penalty for them. For instance, if a school or city hall or 51% restaurant doesn't post...where's the harm? As far as I can tell, there isn't any.Said it before, will say it again. This law is pretty permissive where attitudes towards guns are less hostile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted June 23, 2017 at 02:35 PM Share Posted June 23, 2017 at 02:35 PM There's no way for the CCL holder to know if an event has a permit. If there is an event permit, isn't the permit applicant required to post the infamous 4"X 6" signage? In theory yes they are supposed to post...how many events with special permits do you see posting? 10%? I don't know...because there's no way for me to know which have permits and which don't. And, I think it's unreasonable for me to do the research. So, no sign, no problem...carry on. In fact, I'm totally cool with any person or entity who is required by law to post but does not. There's no penalty for them. For instance, if a school or city hall or 51% restaurant doesn't post...where's the harm? As far as I can tell, there isn't any. If an establishment that receives more than 50% of their gross receipts from the sale of alcohol (for consumption on the premises) fails to prohibit concealed firearms from their business, they are subject to a penalty under the Liquor Control Act. So, no, it's not always, "no harm, no foul." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted June 23, 2017 at 04:42 PM Share Posted June 23, 2017 at 04:42 PM There's no way for the CCL holder to know if an event has a permit. If there is an event permit, isn't the permit applicant required to post the infamous 4"X 6" signage? In theory yes they are supposed to post...how many events with special permits do you see posting? 10%? I don't know...because there's no way for me to know which have permits and which don't. And, I think it's unreasonable for me to do the research. So, no sign, no problem...carry on. In fact, I'm totally cool with any person or entity who is required by law to post but does not. There's no penalty for them. For instance, if a school or city hall or 51% restaurant doesn't post...where's the harm? As far as I can tell, there isn't any. The burden of posting is on 51% restaurants by law. Not doing so jeopardizes their liquor license. If they don't post, you are not violating the law by carrying. You were required to take training where the instructor was required to inform you that Schools and City Hall are off limits. Posted or not, if you carry there, you are violating the law. So what's the harm? A Class B misdemeanor and an additional $500 fee to the "mental health reporting fund", assuming it is your first offense. If you can stomach that, follow your gut. Personally, I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted June 25, 2017 at 10:19 PM Share Posted June 25, 2017 at 10:19 PM The office building where my senator and Rep have offices is not posted anymore. They actually posted then removed the posting. I'm not quite sure why, either, despite the fact that there are about 20+ office suites in that building, every one of them occupied. I KNOW that it's an off-limits area only because my insurance agency is also in the same building and I've been there to talk to my Rep but anyone not from the area would not know that it's off-limits until (or even if, since there's at least two ways to completely bypass walking past their offices, wouldn't see the offices) they see that there's legislators' offices inside the building. Are we expected to find out if a legislator has an office in every building that we enter? More vexing questions. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted June 26, 2017 at 12:23 AM Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 12:23 AM The office building where my senator and Rep have offices is not posted anymore. They actually posted then removed the posting. I'm not quite sure why, either, despite the fact that there are about 20+ office suites in that building, every one of them occupied. I KNOW that it's an off-limits area only because my insurance agency is also in the same building and I've been there to talk to my Rep but anyone not from the area would not know that it's off-limits until (or even if, since there's at least two ways to completely bypass walking past their offices, wouldn't see the offices) they see that there's legislators' offices inside the building. Are we expected to find out if a legislator has an office in every building that we enter? More vexing questions. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk In Elgin the state reps office was on the 5th floor of an Office building. Only the door to that suite was posted. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted June 26, 2017 at 12:24 AM Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 12:24 AM The office building where my senator and Rep have offices is not posted anymore. They actually posted then removed the posting. I'm not quite sure why, either, despite the fact that there are about 20+ office suites in that building, every one of them occupied. I KNOW that it's an off-limits area only because my insurance agency is also in the same building and I've been there to talk to my Rep but anyone not from the area would not know that it's off-limits until (or even if, since there's at least two ways to completely bypass walking past their offices, wouldn't see the offices) they see that there's legislators' offices inside the building. Are we expected to find out if a legislator has an office in every building that we enter? More vexing questions. Sent from my VS987 using TapatalkAre we sure the rented/leased space by a rep is statutorily prohibited? ETA: I see for govt they use "under the control," so it looks like it is. Too bad there's not a fine for not posting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted June 26, 2017 at 01:37 PM Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 01:37 PM It isn't posted and it's impossible to see the directory until you're inside the building, about 10 feet from the door to my Rep's office. It is, in fact, impossible for anyone to know that there are two legislative offices in that building until you already violate the law. Oddly enough there's an Edward Jones advisor who rents a suite in the building, it can't be accessed from the inside of the building, only exterior access, and he posts his office. He even posts the inside entrance that's blocked off (with a sign at the bottom of the door that you can't see unless you crouch down like a catcher). Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted June 26, 2017 at 06:02 PM Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 06:02 PM The burden of posting is on 51% restaurants by law. Not doing so jeopardizes their liquor license. If they don't post, you are not violating the law by carrying. You were required to take training where the instructor was required to inform you that Schools and City Hall are off limits. Posted or not, if you carry there, you are violating the law. So what's the harm? A Class B misdemeanor and an additional $500 fee to the "mental health reporting fund", assuming it is your first offense. If you can stomach that, follow your gut. Personally, I'll pass. Um, yes, I was there at the training. I said there was no consequence for the school for not posting. There's no fine. The principal won't go to jail. I didn't advocate carrying in areas prohibited by statute and I didn't say I would do so either. I stand corrected on the 51%. However, who will do the investigation into their books to determine whether they're required to post? Unless there's reasonable suspicion that they should be posting by some law enforcement entity, my guess is the chances are pretty slim that they'll have a problem. I'd also guess that most establishments where they have no history of violent patrons and a lot of police calls won't have any issues. Does having a liquor license require you to report what portion of your sales are alcohol? I can't see how it would, since you can get a license before you even open the establishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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