Tango7 Posted September 4, 2017 at 01:00 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 01:00 PM Hey all - here's a curious one for you. Anyone ever hear of there being a time limit on how far after your initial course you can apply for your FCCL? A co-worker asked me about attending a class I have coming up, and told me he was interested because had been denied because he had waited (over a year possibly) to apply. He said he had received a denial letter from the ISP FSB stating that he was being denied for it having been too long since he took his class. I asked him for copies of all his documentation, and he's getting it to me so I'll have a better idea of what happened. He's an Honorable Discharge veteran who attended a 16 hour class, no DUI/DV/other issues. I reviewed the Act and the Admin Rules and found nothing that resembles the authority for the ISP to deny for this. (I also looked for any topics in this forum that resemble this, and found nothing) Thought about called or e-mailing the ISP (after reviewing the docs) and asking if I could administer a 3-hour refresher class and have it suffice - if they'd be willing to actually answer the question. Given that we have people in this state going on well over a year awaiting the outcome of their application, if the reason he provided is accurate I find this hypocritical at least. Your thoughts? Tango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted September 4, 2017 at 01:35 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 01:35 PM Thought there's a post by MollyB about certs not expiring and being good period.I'll look around, but m sure one of the admins in the know will drop by soon. Some here and there: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=65952&hl=%2Btraining+%2Bcertificate&do=findComment&comment=1091021 http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=65062&hl=%2Btraining+%2Bcertificate http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64228&hl=%2Btraining+%2Bcertificate&do=findComment&comment=1057552 I'm sure there are others, but the titles of the threads aren't clear.In one of this MollyB states that the training cert doesn't expire........ Again Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirflyguy Posted September 4, 2017 at 01:51 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 01:51 PM They don't accept the older design of certificates (their own design, BTW!), but there is nothing that says training expires. They tried to run another rule through to do such a thing, but it fortunately never was accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted September 4, 2017 at 02:30 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 02:30 PM Correct, the training does not expire but the ISP has updated the certificate and the most recent certificate must be submitted. He just needs to have his instructor issue the new style certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted September 4, 2017 at 02:39 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 02:39 PM Correct, the training does not expire but the ISP has updated the certificate and the most recent certificate must be submitted. He just needs to have his instructor issue the new style certificate. I think the ISP needs to update their way of thinking. If it's the training they required and a certificate that was good at one time it should be good forever. They've been given too much leeway. If I get a diploma from college and the diploma changes the initial diploma should still be good. I just felt like complaining today . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted September 4, 2017 at 02:45 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 02:45 PM You are entirely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted September 4, 2017 at 05:00 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 05:00 PM I have a daughter who has had her Illinois carry, moved to Kentucky and has theirs, and now looks like might be moving back to Illinois. I was thinking her training for Illinois would still be valid but now wonder. I was thinking she could use her original training certificate and just have to pay 150.00 and wait it out again. Am I wrong??? I guess we out to find out if it is the new or old one. This crap makes you wanna scream and beat your head against the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted September 4, 2017 at 08:25 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 08:25 PM I have a daughter who has had her Illinois carry, moved to Kentucky and has theirs, and now looks like might be moving back to Illinois. I was thinking her training for Illinois would still be valid but now wonder. I was thinking she could use her original training certificate and just have to pay 150.00 and wait it out again. Am I wrong??? I guess we out to find out if it is the new or old one. This crap makes you wanna scream and beat your head against the wall. Logically thinking you would use your original certificate it's not as if you didn't unlearn everything from the course and she qualified for the CCL previously. Of course in my analogy above it didn't seem to work that way. I would definitely present that one to MollyB with a PM. If you call the ISP number who knows what kind of answer you would get. You could ask her instructor to give her an updated certificate with her original information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted September 4, 2017 at 10:16 PM Share Posted September 4, 2017 at 10:16 PM I have a daughter who has had her Illinois carry, moved to Kentucky and has theirs, and now looks like might be moving back to Illinois. I was thinking her training for Illinois would still be valid but now wonder. I was thinking she could use her original training certificate and just have to pay 150.00 and wait it out again. Am I wrong??? I guess we out to find out if it is the new or old one. This crap makes you wanna scream and beat your head against the wall.Logically thinking you would use your original certificate it's not as if you didn't unlearn everything from the course and she qualified for the CCL previously. Of course in my analogy above it didn't seem to work that way. I would definitely present that one to MollyB with a PM. If you call the ISP number who knows what kind of answer you would get. You could ask her instructor to give her an updated certificate with her original information Figured I wait till she does move to get the skinny since things can change between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted September 14, 2017 at 01:17 AM Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 01:17 AM Correct, the training does not expire but the ISP has updated the certificate and the most recent certificate must be submitted. He just needs to have his instructor issue the new style certificate. I will let him know. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted September 14, 2017 at 02:54 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 02:54 AM Correct, the training does not expire but the ISP has updated the certificate and the most recent certificate must be submitted. He just needs to have his instructor issue the new style certificate. When was the cert updated? I haven't applied but did my training like 2 years ago and want to apply now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted September 14, 2017 at 02:56 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 02:56 AM Also my brother took his training with me and can't get ahold of the instructor(pipedoc) since he lost his cert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:00 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:00 AM I believe it was April 2015 . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:06 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:06 AM Oh man, I think I took my training in 2014. I'll have to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:26 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:26 AM Oh man, I think I took my training in 2014. I'll have to check. Send me a scan and I should be able to tell you if it's the current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:47 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:47 AM Oh man, I think I took my training in 2014. I'll have to check. Send me a scan and I should be able to tell you if it's the current form.Scanner is acting up, will a pic suffice? Where can I send it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:55 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 03:55 AM Mine looks like this I'm sure.(link removed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted September 14, 2017 at 09:35 AM Share Posted September 14, 2017 at 09:35 AM Mine looks like this I'm sure. This looks like the current form to me. The form is not supposed to be available to the public so I removed the link from your post . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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