captainxds Posted February 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM Hello everyone, I joined the site looking for some great info on CCW in Illinois, Ive been a CCW card holder for Utah for the last 4 years but recently I fig I should just finish the application for Il. I took my class and submitted the app and now Im awaiting my approval. Some questions on ( where I can and can not) - I own a boat and by the DNR I can CCW in my boat because its considered a motor vehicle ( safe haven, taken from DNR website)so I go fishing on Lake Michigan in the summer and launch out of Waukegon, Chicago Burnham, and the others are in IN ( thank god). Whats the rules on Harbors because at times we come back to dock at night with a very expensive truck, boat, and gear. From what I understand Harbors are privet property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun 1 Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:08 AM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:08 AM welcome aboard,i have several boats and their is always a firearm somewhere in my sea ray,it is a summer home so i think having it on board is legal.if it is not i hope some member will chime in with the law governing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun 1 Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:08 AM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:08 AM welcome aboard,i have several boats and their is always a firearm somewhere in my sea ray,it is a summer home so i think having it on board is legal.if it is not i hope some member will chime in with the law governing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:18 AM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:18 AM Welcome to IllinoisCarry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainxds Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:47 AM Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:47 AM welcome aboard,i have several boats and their is always a firearm somewhere in my sea ray,it is a summer home so i think having it on board is legal.if it is not i hope some member will chime in with the law governing it. On the DNR web page under CCW it gives 6 laws for CCW on DNR land and water ways and under rule #5 and #6 it's lawful to carry on a boat, off road vehicle, snow mobile. Just wasn't sure on how Illinois looks at harbors or marina's as most of them are privately owned by companies. Been a few times last summer at Waukegon at night we've had some unwanted visitors coming up and begging for money/rides and to look at our gear. Sure Im happy to talk fishing with anyone but don't BS me on talking fishing then O BTW can you give me money to get back home on the Metra. Would make me feel a lot better with my XDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted February 13, 2018 at 12:20 PM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 12:20 PM Is Government pier owned by the Coast guard and the parking lot ? I only remember seeing the restroom posted there but if the Coast guard does own it would it be a no carry zone and would they have to post it at the gate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainxds Posted February 13, 2018 at 12:27 PM Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 12:27 PM I’m not sure if the pier is coast guard or not but the marina and boat ramp says they’re privately owned. Looks like I need to make a phone call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILhunter Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:04 PM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:04 PM I might be overly simplifying this, and maybe there is some intricacy of boating law of which I am unaware, but if the pier or marina is privately owned, and is not posted with the legally compliant sign, then you should be good to go to carry. Just the same way as if a store or a car dealership is not posted, then carry is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:44 PM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 01:44 PM I’m not sure if the pier is coast guard or not but the marina and boat ramp says they’re privately owned. Looks like I need to make a phone cally You should be good to go then if Privately owned my concern was that maybe the coast guard on the land there to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted February 13, 2018 at 03:33 PM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 03:33 PM Welcome to the board.The law says that you must "knowingly" violate the GFZ to be guilty of any crime. The property owner is responsible for posting it if they wish to prohibit carrying and/or their property is statutorily prohibited.My guess is prosecutors will make the argument that you "should have known". If you carry in a school that isn't posted, my guess is you'll be prosecuted and convicted because you "should have known". Believe it or not, a local school in the northwest suburbs has no signs anywhere. I went there several months ago for a community meeting. Of course, I did not carry...because I should know it's off limits despite the lack of signs.A marina is not a statutorily banned location just based on the nature of it. If it's a park district property, that still doesn't mean it's prohibited. Parks are prohibited...all park district property is not necessarily a park.All federal property is generally prohibited. I guess that would include any property owned by the military, coast guard, post office, State Dept buildings, nuclear facilities, etc. (including parking lots). However, I have yet to see any of those properties posted with the IL state police compliant signage. A man dropped his gun in a post office. The local police did not arrest him because it was not posted. Therefore, they determined that the hadn't broken the concealed carry act. HOWEVER, the case was referred to the postal inspector's office, because he had broken a federal law. Take into consideration that he was a judge. That may have gained him some unfair special treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted February 13, 2018 at 05:50 PM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 05:50 PM Statutory criminal protection zones have to be posted by law. Generally speaking, if its not posted in IL you're good to go. Anything federal is no guns allowed so that's not hard to remember. Sign or not. Even if they don't use the standard IL compliant signage and use the federal signs. No guns on federal property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainxds Posted February 13, 2018 at 05:56 PM Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 05:56 PM Well I still have to wait for the application to be approved before any of this can happen. Wish IL had IN laws or Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted February 13, 2018 at 09:44 PM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 09:44 PM Statutory criminal protection zones have to be posted by law. But they're not always posted. I would not presume it's okay unless you can convincingly argue that there was no reasonable way for you to know whether an unposted location is statutorily prohibited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted February 13, 2018 at 11:58 PM Share Posted February 13, 2018 at 11:58 PM Statutory criminal protection zones have to be posted by law. But they're not always posted. I would not presume it's okay unless you can convincingly argue that there was no reasonable way for you to know whether an unposted location is statutorily prohibited. Ok let me rephrase that... I'm talking about places we couldn't possibly know otherwise like who owns a building/complex or if an event is permitted etc. Like in this case here when the OP is wondering about who owns the marina. That's not realistic to expect people to know stuff like that. Most people can't pull up deeds to something anyways, let alone on the fly. People with CCLs are happy to obey the law, but we have to know when a place is a CPZ. We aren't mind readers. Now other statutory places like the CTA, parks, forest preserves, I agree with you. Those places would obviously have no defense for carrying in because its very explicit in the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Percussion Posted February 14, 2018 at 03:11 AM Share Posted February 14, 2018 at 03:11 AM Isn't the boat a safe haven - like his car? And if so, as long as it's not Federal property, isn't he entitled to have the gun in the boat or on his person around the boat - just like a parking lot that is posted? Just thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted February 14, 2018 at 06:07 PM Share Posted February 14, 2018 at 06:07 PM Statutory criminal protection zones have to be posted by law. But they're not always posted. I would not presume it's okay unless you can convincingly argue that there was no reasonable way for you to know whether an unposted location is statutorily prohibited. Ok let me rephrase that... I'm talking about places we couldn't possibly know otherwise like who owns a building/complex or if an event is permitted etc. Like in this case here when the OP is wondering about who owns the marina. That's not realistic to expect people to know stuff like that. Most people can't pull up deeds to something anyways, let alone on the fly. People with CCLs are happy to obey the law, but we have to know when a place is a CPZ. We aren't mind readers. Now other statutory places like the CTA, parks, forest preserves, I agree with you. Those places would obviously have no defense for carrying in because its very explicit in the law. 100% agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted February 14, 2018 at 06:08 PM Share Posted February 14, 2018 at 06:08 PM Isn't the boat a safe haven - like his car? And if so, as long as it's not Federal property, isn't he entitled to have the gun in the boat or on his person around the boat - just like a parking lot that is posted? Just thinking out loud. Maybe I'm paranoid...but I'd feel like I need an AR-15 if I had a boat. Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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