junglebob Posted July 15, 2019 at 01:21 AM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 01:21 AM I have a friend at church whose dad took the Illinois Concealed Carry class about 5 years ago but never applied for his Illinois LTC. He helped me with my renewal and mentioned that to his dad who said he'd taken the training but never applied for the LTC. It took about 4 months but this past week he got his LTC. So it doesn't look like there is a time limit on using a training certificate. Does anyone know if a Kentucky LTC can be used to reduce the training time for an Illinois LTC to 8 hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 15, 2019 at 02:07 AM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 02:07 AM Ky concealed carry looks to be good for 4 hours http://ilga.gov/commission/jcar/admincode/020/02001231ZZ9996BR.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted July 15, 2019 at 02:47 AM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 02:47 AM I'm glad to hear this info. I still have my certificate. Just waiting to see the end result of Culp v Madigan. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 15, 2019 at 03:35 AM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 03:35 AM Postings have indicated the training does not expire but if the certificate had changed and was not the one currently used by the ISP a new one might need to be issued to the applicant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted July 15, 2019 at 01:13 PM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 01:13 PM An old old question once again pops to mind. Since the training certificate does not expire, how can the ISP by law demand a new one to renew an expired ccl?I know, I know. They can thumb their noses at us and the law.I do not see in the law where a renewal must be done before the expiration date. All I see is need for 3 hour renewal class and certificate. Sure the ccl is expired but I a naive citizen do not understand how the ISP nor JCAR can legally demand new full training.More to the point since the renewal certificste does not have an expiration date then how can the ISP lawfully claim it expires at our ccl expiration date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted July 15, 2019 at 04:21 PM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 04:21 PM This is one of the things that makes me scratch my head... I have had several students wait a year or more and then apply. By the time they expire and need to be renewed, it might have been 8yrs since the training, but if your CCL expires by a week, say 5yrs 1 week, you have to retake the entire 16hrs???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 15, 2019 at 04:50 PM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 04:50 PM This is one of the things that makes me scratch my head... I have had several students wait a year or more and then apply. By the time they expire and need to be renewed, it might have been 8yrs since the training, but if your CCL expires by a week, say 5yrs 1 week, you have to retake the entire 16hrs????You're right, it doesn't make sense. As an example,I just renewed my Florida license. If you renew after you expire they charge an extra $15. Plus their grace period is 180 days if you forget to renew before you expire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted July 15, 2019 at 05:39 PM Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 05:39 PM My wife and I took the 3 hour renewal class in January. My LTC expired in March and I assumed hers was expiring about the same time. Looking at her LTC I find it expires 4/22/2020 so that will be over 1 year after the training we took. I guess it should be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 15, 2019 at 05:45 PM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 05:45 PM My wife and I took the 3 hour renewal class in January. My LTC expired in March and I assumed hers was expiring about the same time. Looking at her LTC I find it expires 4/22/2020 so that will be over 1 year after the training we took. I guess it should be OK.Yep, you should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted July 15, 2019 at 09:39 PM Share Posted July 15, 2019 at 09:39 PM Is anyone else of the opinion if a CCL has expired that we can accept the original 8 hours of training ( An NRA Basic Pistol, DD 214, or a class given by the same instructor and only require a 8 hour class for renewal.. We teach our classes as separate for Basic Pistol and ILCC. In other words, if a student provided proof of training that waived the first 8 hours would that training not be valid even though there is no time limit on the initial training provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:18 AM Share Posted July 16, 2019 at 12:18 AM Is anyone else of the opinion if a CCL has expired that we can accept the original 8 hours of training ( An NRA Basic Pistol, DD 214, or a class given by the same instructor and only require a 8 hour class for renewal.. We teach our classes as separate for Basic Pistol and ILCC. In other words, if a student provided proof of training that waived the first 8 hours would that training not be valid even though there is no time limit on the initial training provided.That would be my interpretation also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:57 PM Share Posted July 17, 2019 at 05:57 PM Is anyone else of the opinion if a CCL has expired that we can accept the original 8 hours of training ( An NRA Basic Pistol, DD 214, or a class given by the same instructor and only require a 8 hour class for renewal.. We teach our classes as separate for Basic Pistol and ILCC. In other words, if a student provided proof of training that waived the first 8 hours would that training not be valid even though there is no time limit on the initial training provided. That would make sense, but often that does not go hand in hand in the state. I do not see why not, but there is nothing in the statute that would allow us to use our first class as a basis for an 8hr exemption. Yes, there is precedent for using BPC or 214, any of which is allowed for the first class. However, the way the law is now, I see no validated way to use our first 16hr course for anything other than the initial application. If I am wrong please sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted July 18, 2019 at 10:28 PM Share Posted July 18, 2019 at 10:28 PM Interesting, as I'd heard of outdated certs being rejected, and new style ones with the original dates having to be submitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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