chancemccall Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:11 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:11 AM This is a story I was told, I have not verified it past it being presented as first person from a CHICAGO suburban gun owner I know is leaving Illinois. The person telling this called a national moving company to move his household goods from Illinois to another state. The person setting it up told him there would be a three month wait because of all the bookings since January. Being national and not paying attention to Illinois's situation she reputedly asked, " What is going on in Illinois?" " We are swamped with calls from there" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggun 1 Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:21 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:21 AM i can answer her question,jb is what,s going on.smart folks are getting out before their homes are worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:26 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:26 AM I have no doubt a supermajority Democratic Congress with a rubber stamping Democratic governor was the last straw for many! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted February 23, 2019 at 05:00 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 05:00 AM Illinois being controlled by Democrats for a very long time - SUCKS ! More and more Tax PAYING citizens are realizing it is in their, and their family’s best financial interest to LEAVE !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted February 23, 2019 at 08:19 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 08:19 AM Illinois being controlled by Democrats for a very long time - SUCKS !More and more Tax PAYING citizens are realizing it is in their, and their family’s best financial interest to LEAVE !!!... and they will vote for the same policies in their new home state. You got that right, and it is a big concern for the current residents in the new state. I have a friend in Idaho and he's worried because of all the Commiefornia refugees pouring in. He's hoping more of them are Conservatives and gun owners who can't stand it any longer from the northern part rather than leftists who can't afford to stay and start voting stupid all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted February 23, 2019 at 08:22 AM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 08:22 AM Forget tech stuff and dot com this and that. the real way to being America's next billionaire is to open a moving company in Illinois !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted February 23, 2019 at 12:33 PM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 12:33 PM Forget tech stuff and dot com this and that. the real way to being America's next billionaire is to open a moving company in Illinois !!!!With trucks that drive back home to Illinois by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45Badger Posted February 23, 2019 at 12:54 PM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 12:54 PM For those of you who want facts vs. noise.... Truck and rail freight have been tightening for a decade or more. All sorts of global, national and North American factors are driving this but it boils down to supply and demand. The pool of long haul/over the road truck drivers has been steadily declining. The average driver age is pushing 60. While we all hear how good the money is for experienced drivers, the entry level money is not that great. Itâs hard work, lots of time away, higher risks and responsibilities than most folks want. More people want to sleep in their own bed. New electronic vehicle logging requirements (great for safety - drivers and those who share the road) have effectively reduced entire system capacity by about 17%. Things we need to keep the world moving (food, fuel, clothing, building materials, name your favorite) tend to get prioritized. Moving companies contracted to corporate relos get prioritization. Throw in fun things like hurricanes and FEMA paying $5000 to deliver a truckload of bottled water from Georgia to Florida and independent household moves fall to the very bottom of everybodyâs list. In the end, price serves as a throttle to balance supply and demand. If you want to move faster, you can. It will cost more. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:27 PM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 03:27 PM Illinois being controlled by Democrats for a very long time - SUCKS !More and more Tax PAYING citizens are realizing it is in their, and their family’s best financial interest to LEAVE !!!... and they will vote for the same policies in their new home state. IMO most of the people leaving IL are doing so because they don't support leftist politics and polices. Although undoubtedly people who did vote for the destruction of this state will get fed up with it and leave as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blck10th Posted February 23, 2019 at 05:21 PM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 05:21 PM My buddy who just moved to Florida the truck was much more expensive to go from here there than from there here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedrickster Posted February 23, 2019 at 05:29 PM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 05:29 PM Illinois being controlled by Democrats for a very long time - SUCKS !More and more Tax PAYING citizens are realizing it is in their, and their family’s best financial interest to LEAVE !!!... and they will vote for the same policies in their new home state. IMO most of the people leaving IL are doing so because they don't support leftist politics and polices. Although undoubtedly people who did vote for the destruction of this state will get fed up with it and leave as well. If NY & CA refugees are any indication, people bring their garbage politics along with to formerly non-garbage states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandCollector Posted February 23, 2019 at 11:52 PM Share Posted February 23, 2019 at 11:52 PM I see Illinois license plates all the time in the Atlanta area. Probably more than any other state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted February 25, 2019 at 03:44 AM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 03:44 AM KMOX radio had a news story yesterday about "population exodus". The reporter stated that while MO had a 6% outflow last year, Illinois lost 16% of its population. I wonder why??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted February 25, 2019 at 04:31 AM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 04:31 AM Illinois lost 16% of its population. And you can't beat math, when the state already doesn't generate enough tax revenue to support its crony and entitled system of government and you factor in an annual loss of 16% of the taxpayer population a big mathematical problem rears it's ugly head in regards to being able to even sustain let alone recover. 16% is HUGE in the grand scheme, that is a lot of slack for the remaining 84% to pick up just to maintain the status quo, and the burden on the remaining population becomes exponential with each new year that more leave... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted February 25, 2019 at 04:40 AM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 04:40 AM https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-census-illinois-population-20181219-story.html has some numbers. Population of about 12.7m. 110k left, 65k in for a net change of 45k people in 2018. Which comes out to about 8.5% of the population leaving, replacing about 5% for a net change of 3.5% less. That's not good by any stretch, but it's also not anywhere near 16% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted February 25, 2019 at 04:56 AM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 04:56 AM Actually, Illinois has lost 1.22 million people on net since between 2000 and 2016, in terms of residents leaving the state: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-losing-1-resident-every-4-6-minutes-could-fall-behind-pennsylvania-in-population/ If you add in the c. 115,000 move-outs in the past two years, you're over 1.3 million net move-outs: The only reason Illinois population isn't heading down to the 11 million range is that it has a high birth rate, mostly due to minority populations having in Chicago having high birth rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted February 25, 2019 at 05:19 AM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 05:19 AM The only reason Illinois population isn't heading down to the 11 million range is that it has a high birth rate, mostly due to minority populations having in Chicago having high birth rates. It looks like Illinois births are outpacing deaths by about 50K a year, on that note the deaths generally were people that were contributing to taxes, while the children likely won't be contributors for 16-18 years, that is a pretty big stop gap in lost tax revenue in itself vs the population numbers and who knows if IL can hold on to those new births long enough to be tax contributors. http://www.dph.illinois.gov/data-statistics/vital-statistics/birth-statisticshttp://www.dph.illinois.gov/data-statistics/vital-statistics/death-statistics At the end of the day, the population and their tax contributions have to be factored in together, 1 working class person leaving that was paying into taxes, is more valuable (money wise) to the state then 1,000,000 minors and other people with overall negative tax contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 25, 2019 at 01:22 PM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 01:22 PM When I left, my national moving company didn't have a wait. But this was 6 months pre-JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdScubaDVR Posted February 25, 2019 at 03:14 PM Share Posted February 25, 2019 at 03:14 PM Damn I need to start a moving business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted February 27, 2019 at 07:51 PM Share Posted February 27, 2019 at 07:51 PM The only reason Illinois population isn't heading down to the 11 million range is that it has a high birth rate, mostly due to minority populations having in Chicago having high birth rates. It looks like Illinois births are outpacing deaths by about 50K a year, on that note the deaths generally were people that were contributing to taxes, while the children likely won't be contributors for 16-18 years, that is a pretty big stop gap in lost tax revenue in itself vs the population numbers and who knows if IL can hold on to those new births long enough to be tax contributors. http://www.dph.illinois.gov/data-statistics/vital-statistics/birth-statisticshttp://www.dph.illinois.gov/data-statistics/vital-statistics/death-statistics At the end of the day, the population and their tax contributions have to be factored in together, 1 working class person leaving that was paying into taxes, is more valuable (money wise) to the state then 1,000,000 minors and other people with overall negative tax contributions. We have seen this before in such places as NYC. Think about it. When the garbage haulers go on strike, what happens? Rat populations explode. I was just reading the other day that LA's City Hall has a "vermin infestation" and MOLD and they don't seem to be able to get a handle on it. Well, all three cities, Chicago, LA, & NYC, are "infested" but with 2-legged parasites. Unfortunately, it isn't just the low income that are parasites - they just have numbers on their side. It's the high muckyty-mucks that are the problem. They may not have the numbers but their depredations are MUCH larger (per capita) because they are feeding the bottom-feeders without getting anything produced by those bottom-feeders. It's a bottomless pit and, while they realize that, they do nothing to CHANGE it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdiller Posted February 27, 2019 at 10:15 PM Share Posted February 27, 2019 at 10:15 PM I've moved a couple of times. All in state but each time I sold off all but the basics. A table and chairs to eat off, a bed for myself and the wife, TV , computer and the small things like dishes pots and pans. Built it back up each time once we got settled in. Only needed a small truck or pickup. I'd do th esame if moving out of state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPK Posted March 3, 2019 at 06:02 PM Share Posted March 3, 2019 at 06:02 PM We're Number One Forbes list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 3, 2019 at 06:35 PM Share Posted March 3, 2019 at 06:35 PM We're Number One Forbes list I knew Illinois could do it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 3, 2019 at 09:44 PM Share Posted March 3, 2019 at 09:44 PM Actually, Illinois has lost 1.22 million people on net since between 2000 and 2016, in terms of residents leaving the state: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-losing-1-resident-every-4-6-minutes-could-fall-behind-pennsylvania-in-population/ If you add in the c. 115,000 move-outs in the past two years, you're over 1.3 million net move-outs: The only reason Illinois population isn't heading down to the 11 million range is that it has a high birth rate, mostly due to minority populations having in Chicago having high birth rates.Issue one -Your leaving out something that even Rauner allowed to happen to keep fresh head count coming into the state as well as Chicago to slow the bleeding.“Sanctuary State”The 10 year, constitutionaly required Census is coming, which also means “head count” to some degree. The politicians on both sides and the governor passed sanctuary state to slow the loss of population. They loose less house seats and Federal funds as well, or gain them in some cases. It’s not that they care about they illegals, they are just trying to not loose money or representation. Why would Crap-cago care so much? State money, Federal money, votes, and power. Why do you think there is such screaming about people being asked if they are citizens or not on the up coming census forms? P.S. how many non-citizens are in Illinois? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 3, 2019 at 11:44 PM Share Posted March 3, 2019 at 11:44 PM P.S. how many non-citizens are in Illinois? Shot in the dark estimates put it close to 500K, that is plenty enough to swing representation, since one could speculate that the vast majority reside in certain counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted March 4, 2019 at 02:36 AM Share Posted March 4, 2019 at 02:36 AM P.S. how many non-citizens are in Illinois? Most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 4, 2019 at 04:53 AM Share Posted March 4, 2019 at 04:53 AM P.S. how many non-citizens are in Illinois? Shot in the dark estimates put it close to 500K, that is plenty enough to swing representation, since one could speculate that the vast majority reside in certain counties.That’s about what they say ~500k. According to a google search Illinois population is 12+ million. So less than 4% of the population can’t speak English and the schools “have” to teach bilingual classes, and even the signs outside are English on one side and Spanish on the other. 4% ?I think those numbers need to be doubled at a minimum....How much does that skew the census ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted March 4, 2019 at 05:15 AM Share Posted March 4, 2019 at 05:15 AM You know, guys, this whole phenomenon is simply astounding. It is no longer politically correct (or apparently even legal!) for the great USA to do a realistic count about the citizenship of our own people, or to protect our sovereign borders. You can't even make this stuff (yeah that was the word) up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 4, 2019 at 05:18 AM Share Posted March 4, 2019 at 05:18 AM How much does that skew the census ? If the overall claimed state average is about 3-4%, that means there are probably some municipalities/cities/districts/counties (however you choose to break it up) that have what? 10% or even upwards of 15% or more illegal population skewing census and thus political representation in their favor? That is honestly quite troublesome when you think about how much influence and control the illegals likely leverage in some places over the lawful citizens. And that assumes the 500K number is accurate, if it's higher, it gets even more troublesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpnpump Posted March 4, 2019 at 12:17 PM Share Posted March 4, 2019 at 12:17 PM I read an article the other day on the web that showed that Illinois had the greatest rate of people leaving the state of any state in the union. The percentage number bantied about was 63.4% of the population leaving the state. At first glance it seemed like an inordinate number of people leaving, especally for those of us that were stable and secure in Illinois. Taken at face value, it would indicate that Illinois would be all but empty after a few years. But after careful consideration, there is probably a portion of the demographic that moves more frequently than the average member of this forum. Additionally, with the influx of illegals, the exodus is offset and to the average observer does not appear as severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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