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#1 John Q Public

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 11:02 AM

I think most of the instructors are gearing up for this and I taught one class. The deal is there is almost noway to cover what they say you need to cover in that time frame. 

 

From the new 3hr CCL cert:

 

1. All applicable State and Federal laws relating to the ownership, storage, carry, and transportation of a firearm; 2 hours Classroom Recommended 
a. The Act relating to the ownership, storage, carry and transportation of a firearm
 1) with emphasis on 430 ILCS 66/10(h) which includes instruction on the appropriate and lawful interaction with law enforcement while transporting or carrying a  
  concealed firearm.
 2) with emphasis on 430 ILCS 66/65 which includes instruction on prohibited areas and the parking lot exception.
b. The FOID Act 430 ILCS 65/1 et. seq.
c. Relevant portions of the ILCS including but not limited to
 1) 720 ILCS 5/7-1. Use of force in defense of a person**
 2) 720 ILCS 5/7-2. Use of force in defense of dwelling**
 3) 720 ILCS 5/7-3. Use of force in defense of other property**
 4) 720 ILCS 24/1 et. seq. Unlawful Use of Weapons**
 ** Must define dwelling, aggressor, forcible felony and unlawful use of weapons pursuant to the ILCS.
2. Weapon Handling; 1 hour Range Recommended
a. Handgun fundamentals
b. Handgun concealment
c. Live fire qualification instruction
 d. Live fire qualification with a concealable firearm consisting of minimum of 30 rounds which must include 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards; 10 rounds from a
distance of 7 yards; and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards at a B-27 silhouette target approved by the Illinois State Police. (See https://www.ispfsb.com/and click
on the forms and brochures tab.)
I have read and understand the rules and requirements listed in 430 ILCS 66/1 et. seq., Firearm Concealed Carry Act. I understand the above curriculum was taught.
 
Okay that's from the 3hr cert they sent out, but here's the descepency from JCAR it says this:
 
From Section 1231.40  Curriculum Approval
 
e)         A 3 hour licensure renewal course must, at a minimum, cover the following topics:

 

1)         Two hours to cover:

 

A)        any updates to Illinois or federal firearms laws governing concealed carry in Illinois;

 

:cool:        updates in the Criminal Code Sections listed in Section 1231.10; and

 

C)        appropriate and lawful interaction with law enforcement while transporting or carrying a concealed firearm; and

 

2)         One hour of instruction to include a live fire qualification with a concealable firearm using a B-27 silhouette target consisting of a minimum of 30 rounds and 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards, 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards.

 

f)         The Department may request a complete course outline and instructional notes or any additional course related information from the applicant. If the applicant refuses the request, the application will be deemed incomplete and returned to the applicant.

 

g)         Once approved by the Department, the curriculum may only be taught by an Instructor approved by the Department under Section 1231.20 who is listed on the registry of approved Instructors.

 

h)         Upon receiving substantiated information that a curriculum is not consistent with Section 75 of the Act, the Department may remove that curriculum from the list of approved curriculums maintained on the Department's website. 

 

i)          Once a curriculum is removed from the list of approved curricula, the decision to remove the curriculum from the list may be appealed to the Director of the Department and evidence must be presented that the factors resulting in the revocation have been resolved.  If the Director determines that the removal of the curriculum from the list was not warranted, or that the issues that resulted in that removal have been remediated, the curriculum approval shall be reinstated to the list.

 

Now that is doable in 3hrs, the first, is not. heck, all applicable Fed State FOID and those portions of the ICCA will take more than that without range time.


Edited by John Q Public, 30 May 2018 - 11:04 AM.


#2 Jeffrey

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 01:48 PM

You didn't think they were going to make this easy did you?


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