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#1 Molly B.

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:53 PM

A suit has been filed in the 7th Judicial Circuit Court in Sangamon County on behalf of Matthew Thomann, Samuel Finnigan, Deanna Knoll, and IllinoisCarry members.

 

The suit was filed in an effort to gain Due Process for those who have been denied a CCL by the CCL Review Board without the opportunity to know why they were denied, no opportunity to provide witness or testimony on behalf of themselves, no opportunity to appeal to the CCL Review Board for a review of the denial.

 

The suit asks the court to issue an order reversing and remanding the denials to the ISP for proceedings that comport with the requirements of due process of law.

 

Attached File  Thomann vs ISP filed.pdf   2.41MB   717 downloads

 

Attached File  2014-04-23 Pltf_s Motion for Preliminary Injunction (2)-c.pdf   193.89KB   370 downloads

 

Attached File  2014-04-23 Pltf_s Brief in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunctive Relief and Admin Review (2)-c.pdf   1.86MB   415 downloads


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:59 PM

Excellent


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:01 PM

Go get 'em and git 'er done.

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:37 PM

Why on earth would they file in State Court....the action belongs in Federal Court where real rules apply



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:40 PM

Stay tuned. Lots of moving parts.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 03:37 PM

You are wonder Woman, Valinda!


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 05:38 PM

You are wonder Woman, Valinda!

^^ Way more than you know!!!^^


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:04 PM

Court documents added to opening post.


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:16 PM

Why on earth would they file in State Court....the action belongs in Federal Court where real rules apply



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:27 PM

Here are all the files hosted off site for those having troubles downloading attached PDFs, as I'm sure some will have issues as I had issues with them timing out and failing to download fully, only getting the first 32k of the file...

 

 
2014-04-23-Pltf-s-Motion-for-Preliminary-Injunction-2-c-1  http://www.scribd.co...njunction-2-c-1
 
2014-04-23-Pltf-s-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-for-Preliminary-Injunctive-Relief-and-Admin-Review-2-c  http://www.scribd.co...dmin-Review-2-c

Edited by RockerXX, 24 April 2014 - 06:29 PM.

What weighs six ounces, sits in a tree and is very dangerous?
A sparrow with a machine gun!


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:47 PM

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:56 PM

Good luck on the Administrative Review and Due Process!



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 08:01 PM

Yes! Yes! Yes! Thanks Valinda!



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 08:24 PM

OK GUYS! I JUST DONATED ANOTHER $25 DOLLARS! THANK VALINDA BY BREAKING OUT YOUR PLASTIC AND DONATE A FEW BUCKS. THANKS!



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 08:30 PM

OK GUYS! I JUST DONATED ANOTHER $25 DOLLARS! THANK VALINDA BY BREAKING OUT YOUR PLASTIC AND DONATE A FEW BUCKS. THANKS!

 

Done :)


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 08:37 PM

Transplant thanks so much for donating! We really love Valinda! She is quite a woman and hopefully this mess will be straightened out. It would be great if we could file a suit to base the decisions on "convictions" and not arrests or worse, using police reports as evidence!



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:00 PM

This is awesome news!!



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:13 PM

Wow, that's a great read. Nicely done.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:10 AM

The complaint looks great.  Thanks so much for doing this.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:31 AM

Added:  The suit asks the court to issue an order reversing and remanding the denials to the ISP for proceedings that comport with the requirements of due process of law.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:50 AM

Good to see this moving forward. It seems to be some of the more poorly thought out parts of the law.
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Posted 25 April 2014 - 05:53 PM

Slated trial dates?



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:06 PM

Awesome!  I figured this was coming, after the way the denials have been handed...  Great to hear that IllinoisCarry is once again on the forefront.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:18 PM

Bueno.  Good job lining up the plaintiffs and teeing this one up.

 

Crossing fingers this won't be decided in 2016.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 04:35 PM

THAT - IS - AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a quick question.  How will this affect those of us who have filed appeals?  I just filed mine in DuPage county court yesterday. 

 

Thanks to Valinda, Mike , Todd and all the others who have been on the front lines of this stuff!!  They have done an awesome job!



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 04:46 PM

thank molly by donating to her website! $25 gets you a membership and all members will be added to the suit.



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:00 PM

OK I threw in my $25 for the cause.
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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:08 PM

Chrislinger! Thanks so much! But thank Molly! She and Todd has been working their butts off. Hopefully what we can do is get enough lawsuits going where the board will only be able to deny if certain tangible criteria are met and it must be like 5 to 7 arrests.



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:18 PM

I have a philosophical problem with any number of "arrests"/ "charges" be a disqualifier without some more objective criteria. From a legal standpoint, if the ISP or some police agency wants to have an applicant denied for something short of a conviction for a felony involving violence I believe they need to do so in open court with at least civil burden of the preponderance of the evidence before a judge or even a jury. We are talking about a constitutional guaranteed right. Right now some of these denials are a "joke". Rumor, innuendo, spite, who knows what all is involved.

Try to enjoin the exercise of free speech and see how that goes without some serious "evidence". We should not be willing to accept anything less. Think outside the box...we are not "sheeple".... we do not need the "Kings" permission to defend ourselves.
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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:30 PM

Chrislinger! Thanks so much! But thank Molly! She and Todd has been working their butts off. Hopefully what we can do is get enough lawsuits going where the board will only be able to deny if certain tangible criteria are met and it must be like 5 to 7 arrests.

 

How about no denials for arrest alone?  Since when did an 'arrest' (or even multiple arrest) and not a single conviction in a court of law become an acceptable reason for the government to revoke and deny Constitutionality protected rights?  To endorse or even accept that policy IMO is simply wrong on multiple levels, and we should be standing 100% behind abolishing and destroying any law/policy like that...

 

I can see the abuse happening already, a local law enforcement agency doesn't want Billy Bob to carry a gun, no need to object to his application they only need to execute 5 arrest (your know for serious crimes like loitering, jaywalking, or the ever popular disorderly conduct) and they just fixed their problem no gun for Billy...  Continue to arrest him once a year from there on and Billy will never get his license...  And this is somehow acceptable to anyone here? 


Edited by RockerXX, 27 April 2014 - 01:32 PM.

What weighs six ounces, sits in a tree and is very dangerous?
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