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#1 reelpro

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:06 PM

One of my students forgot to renew his Foid card. He got a letter today that his ccl has been revoked because it has been determined that he is no longer eligible for a Foid card. He has to Surrender ccl and firearms. It says he will get another letter about the Foid. His wife has a foid, he is going to give them to her. What does he need to do to straighten this out?

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:07 PM

He needs to log in and renew his FOID as soon as possible.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:28 PM

Unfortunate that Illinois made such a mess of this. Nothing but ridiculous that if we have the stupid Foid they could atleast mate them.
CCL should take the place of the useless Foid anyway.

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:28 PM

And since his CCL is now revoked, he'll probably have to reapply for a new one. Hopefully he's had it a while, and would've been renewing it soon anyway.

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:39 PM

The ISP was supposed to have sent a notice to him about 60 days prior to expiration.  Perhaps he missed it or just got too busy.  Life happens.

I think it is a good idea to periodically check you DL, FOID, CCL and other cards periodically.  It can save a lot of hassle.  



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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:42 PM

And since his CCL is now revoked, he'll probably have to reapply for a new one. Hopefully he's had it a while, and would've been renewing it soon anyway.

 

 

More likely just have to submit an appeal along with new FOID info.  Hopefully it won't be one of those year long appeals.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 02:51 PM

He could sell them to his wife - just do a private sale and record the transaction number for each firearm and keep a bill of sale.

Make, model, serial number and firearm transaction number.


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 10:28 AM

Know two people that got Revoked CCL letters last two weeks !!   EXPIRED FOID CARD LESS THAN A WEEK!!! Both reapplied day they received letter

 

The intent of this correspondence is to notify you that pursuant to 420 il66/25(2) Your IL concealed carry has been REVOKED for one or more of the following reasons.

 

The IL State Police has determined that you are no longer eligible to possess a FOID card. A letter concerning your FOID revocation will be forthcoming..

You are responsible to surrender your FOID card and Weapons under your possession. Please visit the ISP website for details.

 

You may appeal this decision by making request to review to the Department by logging into the Concealed carry application website within 60 days.

 

If you do not surrender your concealed carry licences to the court or Law enforcement agency with jurisdiction. You must surrender your licence within 48 hours to local law enforcement where you reside. Failure to surrender you Licence may result in the issuance of a Warrant for your arrest.      

 

I was contacted by the first person who had an expired FOID and did his FOID for him while he was on the phone the day he received letter.

He contacted the local Sheriff who had no idea about the letter.  The Sheriff contacted the ISP command staff and was advised by ISP. The person with no FOID should bring his FOID card,CCL Licences and all his FIREARMS to the Sheriff to be held until he had a valid FOID card. THE FOID, CCL and firearms are being held by the Sheriff at this time!!!!! The person's wife has a valid FOID card.

 

Here is the subsection FOID act

 (g) A licensee whose license is revoked, suspended, or denied shall, within 48 hours of receiving notice of the revocation, suspension, or denial, surrender his or her concealed carry license to the local law enforcement agency where the person resides. The local law enforcement agency shall provide the licensee a receipt and transmit the concealed carry license to the Department of State Police. If the licensee whose concealed carry license has been revoked, suspended, or denied fails to comply with the requirements of this subsection, the law enforcement agency where the person resides may petition the circuit court to issue a warrant to search for and seize the concealed carry license in the possession and under the custody or control of the licensee whose concealed carry license has been revoked, suspended, or denied. The observation of a concealed carry license in the possession of a person whose license has been revoked, suspended, or denied constitutes a sufficient basis for the arrest of that person for violation of this subsection. A violation of this subsection is a Class A misdemeanor.

    (h) A license issued or renewed under this Act shall be revoked if, at any time, the licensee is found ineligible for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card, or the licensee no longer possesses a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card. A licensee whose license is revoked under this subsection (h) shall surrender his or her concealed carry license as provided for in subsection (g) of this Section. 
    This subsection shall not apply to a person who has filed an application with the State Police for renewal of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card and who is not otherwise ineligible to obtain a Firearm Owner's Identification Card. 

 

 

430 ILCS 65/2) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-2) 
    Sec. 2. Firearm Owner's Identification Card required; exceptions. 
    (a) (1) No person may acquire or possess any firearm, stun gun, or taser within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act. 
    (2) No person may acquire or possess firearm ammunition within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act.

    (c-5) The provisions of paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) of this Section regarding the possession of firearms and firearm ammunition do not apply to the holder of a valid concealed carry license issued under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act who is in physical possession of the concealed carry license.

 

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 12:24 PM

Nice that they are on the stick about sending threatening letters and notices, but don't have the money or time to send renewal reminders. Reminds me of "the ol' days".

Kind of like that "30 days" thing when Blago and Quimby slashed staffing... it's written, but not always complied with. </sarc>
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Despite their rallying around us at election time, honoring only 8 hours of Illinois' 40+ hour law enforcement class towards a 16 hour requirement shows the contempt that our elected officials hold us in.

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 01:59 PM


 

Know two people that got Revoked CCL letters last two weeks !!   EXPIRED FOID CARD LESS THAN A WEEK!!! Both reapplied day they received letter

 

The intent of this correspondence is to notify you that pursuant to 420 il66/25(2) Your IL concealed carry has been REVOKED for one or more of the following reasons.

 

 

 

THey cannot revoke a FOID just because it expires.  The letter you quote says the person has become ineligible for a FOID and that is not true.  This is the law:

 

 

    If expired 6 mos. or less, it’s a petty offense – more than 6 mos. it’s the class A misdemeanor.

 

(a-5) A violation of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of Section 2, when the person's Firearm Owner's Identification Card is expired but the person is not otherwise disqualified from owning, purchasing, or possessing firearms, is a petty offense if the card was expired for 6 months or less from the date of expiration.

 

 

 

Please ask these friends if they would allow me to have a full copy of the letter they received.  I would like to contact the ISP but would need the letter to do so.


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 02:50 PM

THE FOID, CCL and firearms are being held by the Sheriff at this time!!!!! The person's wife has a valid FOID card. 


If his wife has a FOID (and I assume she lives with him), he should not have turned his firearms over to the Sheriff.

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 12:03 PM

Kingcreek - unfortunately, the FOID is NOT "useless", at least not to the state.  While they may not know the type and number of firearms you have, you are "registered" with them.  This makes it easier to keep track of gun owners with the possible confiscation down the road.  You never know what the state will try next.


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 12:32 PM

Kingcreek - unfortunately, the FOID is NOT "useless", at least not to the state.  While they may not know the type and number of firearms you have, you are "registered" with them.  This makes it easier to keep track of gun owners with the possible confiscation down the road.  You never know what the state will try next.

I probably got my first FOID around 1970.
I have despised it ever since.
I always thought we, as Illinois gun owners, should have been fighting against it since the beginning. But too many gun owners accept it and even Richard Pearson (ISRA) once defended it in a conversation I had with him.
i once argued with the director of the ISP firearm division and told him we have had it since 1968 and if it was such a great thing, why hasn't every other state adopted it or something like it? He couldn't answer that but continued to say it worked great in Illinois.




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