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    "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
    Thomas Jefferson
    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

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  1. If relief is granted under this subsection or by order of a court under this Section, the Director shall as soon as practicable but in no case later than 15 business days, update, correct, modify, or remove the person's record in any database that the Illinois State Police makes available to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and notify the United States Attorney General that the basis for the record being made available no longer applies. Taken from 430ILCS 65/10f
  2. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illinois-loses-appeal-gun-control-law-leaving-restraining-order-effect After an appeal from Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul, Illinois' Fifth District appellate court ruled on Tuesday in a 2-to-1 decision that the temporary restraining order can stay in place, and also extends it statewide. Previously, the temporary restraining order only applied to the plaintiffs. Taken from Fox News.
  3. Guys, I think there is confusion on the new FOID/CCL that definitely needs to be clarified. I am aware of the combining of FOID &CCL cards but considering that CCL expires every 5 yrs & the FOID every 10yrs. How do they keep that updated? If you don't renew your CCL and your FOID remains valid you end up having a FOID that says you have a CCL when you don't. I think what they meant is that your foid will indicate whether or not you also have a CCL . I think we will still be issued separate CCL cards. I have recently renewed my FOID & my CCL is valid til 2024. If the new FOID card is supposed to be a combined FOID/CCL wouldn't we be told that our old CCL card should be destroyed upon receipt of our new FOID/CCL combo card? Aren't we told to destroy our old FOID card when receive our new Foid card? Let's hope it gets fixed/clarified sooner than later.
  4. Congratulations , on your restored 2nd Amendment rights! The Law allows a pathway back. It is very important . there must always be a pathway back.
  5. unfortunately, this is how the firearms services Bureau operates in this State. You are probably in for more months of waiting as there is no time limit described in the law when it comes to appeals to the ISP. I would suggest calling your State Rep as well as your Senator & complain . These are the law enforcement officials the those we have elected in this state have put in these positions they do as they please and they have no respect for your Constitutional right to bear arms as well as your right to due process. Until the people of this State elect officials that respect that all people should be treated fairly under the law instead of one set of rules for them and one set of rules for you and me sadly , the charade will continue. Respond by voting accordingly.
  6. I did not mean any disrespect in my comment fudd . I know you are doing a lot to help others on this site. I was just stating my opinion.
  7. What's the point we know what federal law says . They honor it. It's just more dishonesty from ISP.
  8. The truth is. ISP disagrees with the law, They disagree that somebody who had their rights revoked but then restored by lawful means should ever be able to have the right to defend themselves or their family outside their home. Even though that is a right guaranteed to us by the constitution and affirmed by the Supreme court recently by way of Heller. Now they have made up false allegations and denied a CCL on false premises as a stall tactic while they go out of their way to pursue revoking foid cards with no basis. There are many documented cases that ISP fought of people who pursued relief and they lost. Where was their argument then over the years in these cases that it is against federal law. There wasn't any because it wasn't against federal law then and it still is not now. Michigan has issued CCL 's to residents who had their 2nd Amendment rights revoked but then restored. Alaska restores rights and anybody can open carry provided they are over 21. No problems with federal law their either.
  9. Nonsense! The ATF does honor it and it says so on their web site . (www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/general.html#firearms-relief) Also read what federal law says ( 18 USC 921 (20) Federal law dictates that under a restored 2nd amendment right the federal government looks to the laws of the jurisdiction were the revocation took place. If that revocation is reinstated by that jurisdiction Federal law honors it. It's right on the form 4473 also! look at question 11c it says in parenthesis (see instruction for 11c) Go read what those instructions say. Also, 430 ILCS 65/10 The final paragraph just after (iv) specifically states ( If relief is granted under this subsection or by order of a court under this section, the Director shall as soon as practicable but in no case later than 15 business days , update, correct , modify, or remove the persons record in any database that the Department of State Police makes available to the national instant criminal background check system and notify the United States Attorney General that the basis for the record being made available no longer applies) What does (no longer applies mean) exactly what it says!!!! Federal Law dictates that they honor it! Another state may not honor it . Can you tell What is the point of notifying the united states attorney general if they don't honor it anyway? Federal law does and it is very, very clearly written within the laws.
  10. I disagree with this statement . I received a letter from ISP stating my license was denied due to the fact they have determined I do not posses a valid foid card. I have verified the validity of my foid card at my local FFL . It is valid , comes back with a proceed response. The fact that ISP does not know I have a vaild FOID is either incompetence or a willful dishonest act. I sent an appeal in disputing the validity of my FOID card. The appeal contained information verifying that my foid card is in fact valid . ISP received this appeal by usps certified mail 5 weeks ago . Still no word from them . I have called and left respectful messages on the answering machine . I have sent an respectful email requesting the status of my appeal and surprisingly no response from ISP. They can't even send an email back saying they have received my appeal and it is under review! This is a deliberate act which is willful and wanton on their part. It is naïve to think that ISP is working honestly to provide everybody who is qualified and has applied an CCL . To the contrary they are trying to find a reason to disqualify anybody who is qualified. Remember this is Illinois and ISP is above the law.
  11. If denied by ISP. You must appeal to them and there is no time limit when it comes to getting a response in the law. They can make you wait months or even a year or longer to respond. This is also a violation of due process. They could respond say 6 months later and the response may state, you are still denied. Then you must move on to the next step in the appeals process which may take another 6 months or more by presenting your case in front of an ALJ. If they still deny you then you can finally petition the circuit court and wait another 4 months to get a court date. It needs to be addressed that all appeals both of the CCLRB and ISP violate the due process guaranteed to each and every applicant by the 14th Amendment should they be denied.
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