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#1 InterestedBystander

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 06:21 AM

http://www.ilga.gov/...AID=14&Session=

Looks like the 60 days are almost up for the governor to make a decision on the 72hr waiting period on "assault weapons"

3/14/2018 House Passed Both Houses
3/15/2018 House Sent to the Governor

(720 ILCS 5/2-3.1 new)
7 Sec. 2-3.1. Assault weapon. "Assault weapon" means:
8 (1) any rifle which has a belt fed ammunition system or
9 which has a detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10
10 rounds of ammunition;
11 (2) a semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a
12 detachable magazine and has any of the following:
13 (A) a folding or telescoping stock; or
14 ( B ) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or
15 completely encircles the barrel, and that permits the
16 shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand

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1 without being burned;
2 (3) a semi-automatic pistol that has the ability to accept
3 a detachable magazine and has any of the following:
4 (A) a folding or telescoping stock;
5 ( B ) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or
6 completely encircles the barrel, and that permits the
7 shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand
8 without being burned; or
9 ( C ) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the
10 pistol is unloaded;
11 (4) a semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine that has
12 the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition; or
13 (5) a semi-automatic shotgun that has:
14 (A) a folding or telescoping stock; and
15 ( B ) contains its ammunition in a revolving cylinder; or
16 ( C ) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds of
17 ammunition, except as may be authorized under the Wildlife
18 Code and excluding magazine extensions during the snow
19 geese conservation order season; or
20 (D) an ability to accept a detachable magazine of more
21 than 5 rounds of ammunition;
22 (6) a .50 caliber rifle centerfire rifle capable of firing
23 a .50 caliber cartridge. The term does not include any antique
24 firearm, any shotgun including a shotgun that has a rifle
25 barrel, or any muzzle-loader which uses black powder for
26 hunting or historical re-enactments. In this paragraph (6),

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1 ".50 caliber cartridge" means a cartridge in .50 BMG caliber,
2 either by designation or actual measurement, that is capable of
3 being fired from a centerfire rifle. The term ".50 caliber
4 cartridge" does not include any memorabilia or display item
5 that is filled with a permanent inert substance or that is
6 otherwise permanently altered in a manner that prevents ready
7 modification for use as live ammunition or shotgun ammunition
8 with a caliber measurement that is equal to or greater than .50
9 caliber.
10 "Assault weapon" does not include:
11 (1) any firearm that:
12 (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide
13 action;
14 ( B ) is an unserviceable firearm or has been made
15 permanently inoperable;
16 ( C ) is an antique firearm;
17 (D) uses rimfire ammunition or cartridges; or
18 (E) has been excluded as an assault weapon in a
19 Department of Natural Resources rule. The Department of
20 Natural Resources shall have the authority to adopt rules
21 to further define exclusions of assault weapon types under
22 this Section, provided the make, model, and caliber of the
23 firearm excluded has a viable application to hunting game
24 and conforms to accepted hunting principles of fair chase.
25 (2) any air rifle as defined in Section 24.8-0.1 of this
26 Code.

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1 In this Section, "antique firearm" has the meaning ascribed to
2 it in 18 U.S.C. 921 (a)(16).

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:43 AM

Pistols are already 72 hour delay of rights.



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:10 AM

Pistols are already 72 hour delay of rights.


So we should accept the Governor letting this pass?
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:19 AM

The worst effect of this is putting AWB legal framework of what constitutes an "assault weapon" on the state books. That means the language is accepted wholesale to be easily applied to other laws.

Death by a thousand cuts, this is dangerous political maneuvering because in its current form it doesn't apply to most of us so we shrug it off.

Edited by chicagoresident, 07 May 2018 - 08:25 AM.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:27 AM

The worst effect of this is putting AWB legal framework of what constitutes an "assault weapon" on the state books. That means the language is accepted wholesale to be easily applied to other laws.

Death by a thousand cuts, this is dangerous political maneuvering because in its current form it doesn't apply to most of us so we shrug it off.

Yep, and it is bad language at that. 


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:57 AM

Yep, its all about setting up the wording for the not so distant future when they pass the actual ban. Anything that's a semi automatic, holds more than 10 rounds or takes a detachable magazine will be gone.

And then once all those firearms are banned they will find a way to go after whatever is left.   Democrats are absolutely disgusting. 


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 09:07 AM

Yep, its all about setting up the wording for the not so distant future when they pass the actual ban. Anything that's a semi automatic, holds more than 10 rounds or takes a detachable magazine will be gone.

And then once all those firearms are banned they will find a way to go after whatever is left.   Democrats are absolutely disgusting. 

 

All about incrementalism.  They never give up! 



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 09:13 AM

Yep, its all about setting up the wording for the not so distant future when they pass the actual ban. Anything that's a semi automatic, holds more than 10 rounds or takes a detachable magazine will be gone.

And then once all those firearms are banned they will find a way to go after whatever is left.   Democrats are absolutely disgusting. 

Though to be exact, 1468 says semi autos that take detachable mags, AND one of Shroud or Telescoping or collapsible stock. 

 

It also never actually defines what a 'detachable magazine' is.  Seems to me, that a lot of the California 'work-arounds' would keep an AR15, for instance sellable to under 21 year olds. 

 

The bill is so badly written, there are a LOT of ways around it, imho.

 

Granted it, could be amended.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 09:25 AM

I hate these dumb waiting periods, not only because they infringe upon my rights, but because I can't easily buy a firearm locally. But maybe that's the point, to make it harder to buy firearms.

 

I live in the city, so I already have to drive out of my way to find a gun shop. If I buy locally, I have to make a second trip to pick it up.

 

I've heard awesome things about Marengo Guns selection and prices, but I'm not driving 2.5hr round trip, then having to come back in a few days.



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:23 AM

Yes, the worst part of this is having the definition of an 'assault' weapon codified in law. With the passage of the bill 79-37 in the House and 43-15 in the Senate, an outright veto can and will be overridden.

 

An amendatory veto could possibly narrow the damage and withstand an override.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:05 AM

Though to be exact, 1468 says semi autos that take detachable mags, AND one of Shroud or Telescoping or collapsible stock


but detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition feels pretty broad.

7 Sec. 2-3.1. Assault weapon. "Assault weapon" means:
8 (1) any rifle which has a belt fed ammunition system or
9 which has a detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10
10 rounds of ammunition;

Edited by InterestedBystander, 07 May 2018 - 11:12 AM.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:12 AM

Is it possible to amend veto to remove "assault" pistol definitions as duplicity in existing law? Is it possible to  amend veto to remove "assault rifle" definition and replace with 72 hr wait on all long gun purchases?



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:33 AM

 

Though to be exact, 1468 says semi autos that take detachable mags, AND one of Shroud or Telescoping or collapsible stock


but detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition feels pretty broad.

7 Sec. 2-3.1. Assault weapon. "Assault weapon" means:
8 (1) any rifle which has a belt fed ammunition system or
9 which has a detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10
10 rounds of ammunition;

 

not really, imho.  To me, it means anything that isn't classified as AW in other part, that runs a detachable magazine that can hold 11 rounds or more of ammunition for that rifle.

 

The grey area would be if it banned magazines, and specified a rd limit, as there are some mags that take different calibers, and different amounts depending on which.

 

The real problem is codifying that the concept of 'assault weapon' exists at all.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:56 AM

 

 

Though to be exact, 1468 says semi autos that take detachable mags, AND one of Shroud or Telescoping or collapsible stock


but detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition feels pretty broad.

7 Sec. 2-3.1. Assault weapon. "Assault weapon" means:
8 (1) any rifle which has a belt fed ammunition system or
9 which has a detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10
10 rounds of ammunition;

 

not really, imho.  To me, it means anything that isn't classified as AW in other part, that runs a detachable magazine that can hold 11 rounds or more of ammunition for that rifle.

 

The grey area would be if it banned magazines, and specified a rd limit, as there are some mags that take different calibers, and different amounts depending on which.

 

The real problem is codifying that the concept of 'assault weapon' exists at all.

 

Don't worry, they are also gonna specifically ban any magazine over 10 rounds so there won't be any confusion.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:03 PM

 


The real problem is codifying that the concept of 'assault weapon' exists at all.

 

Don't worry, they are also gonna specifically ban any magazine over 10 rounds so there won't be any confusion.

 

 

Yep, "high capacity" magazines are on their radar, and they will be more than happy to make possession of one a felony. 



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:22 PM

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military. 



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:38 PM

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military.


Especially Lee Enfields with their evil detachable magazines

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:11 PM

Remember the “trench gun” a long magazine PUMP shotgun. PURE EVIL!!!!

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:17 PM

I wonder if Governor Rauner is waiting to see what else gets passed out of both houses. I am willing to bet he wants a gun control 'win' to be able to show to the easily swayed middle of the road on the subject of guns, that have been mis-informed.  I am HOPING he also wants one that is the least impactful, so as to keep those of us that are pro-2A not too unhappy.   


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:09 PM

Where is the Voting Record again I want to see how my Turncoat Representative vote



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:11 PM

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military.


If that is the case, might as well include muzzle loaders and muskets, bow and arrow, knives, swords, axes, clubs, rocks, and any other weapon used in a war at some time.
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:13 PM

 

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military.


If that is the case, might as well include muzzle loaders and muskets, bow and arrow, knives, swords, axes, clubs, rocks, and any other weapon used in a war at some time.

 

 

If they're going to play the game of banning 'assault' weapons, they might as well do it right.



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:20 PM

 

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military.


If that is the case, might as well include muzzle loaders and muskets, bow and arrow, knives, swords, axes, clubs, rocks, and any other weapon used in a war at some time.

 

 

Don't forget boomerangs, bolas, slings, slingshots, blowguns, and sharp sticks.  Might as well through siege equipment in there as well...



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:31 PM

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military.


If that is the case, might as well include muzzle loaders and muskets, bow and arrow, knives, swords, axes, clubs, rocks, and any other weapon used in a war at some time.
 
Don't forget boomerangs, bolas, slings, slingshots, blowguns, and sharp sticks.  Might as well through siege equipment in there as well...


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:33 PM

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military.


If that is the case, might as well include muzzle loaders and muskets, bow and arrow, knives, swords, axes, clubs, rocks, and any other weapon used in a war at some time.

 
Don't forget boomerangs, bolas, slings, slingshots, blowguns, and sharp sticks.  Might as well through siege equipment in there as well...


I forget where I read it, but probably on a link from here. Someone asked UK police recently in a UK online forum, given the prohibition on most kinds of self defense in the UK, what are the defensive weapons that private individuals are actually allowed to own and use. The police responded that only whistles, airhorns, electronic buzzers, and other noise-making devices are permitted. Any device or substance capable of inflicting pain or bodily harm on an attacker would be considered an "offensive weapon" and therefore a crime to possess and use.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:32 PM

 

 

If that is the case, might as well include muzzle loaders and muskets, bow and arrow, knives, swords, axes, clubs, rocks, and any other weapon used in a war at some time.

 
Don't forget boomerangs, bolas, slings, slingshots, blowguns, and sharp sticks.  Might as well through siege equipment in there as well...


I’m sorry, but no. I’m NOT giving up my trebuchet!

 

 

Nobody needs a high capacity assault trebuchet Steve...



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:51 PM

Someone needs to call Don Harmon and tell him he forgot to put the Mosin Nagant, Mauser, Lee-Enfield and other WWI/II weapons on that list. Hey, weapons of war, right?  :devil:



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 04:14 PM

Where is the Voting Record again I want to see how my Turncoat Representative vote


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 04:53 PM

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 05:23 PM

 

I'm surprised they're not banning bolt, lever and pump firearms given their use (historically) in more than one armed conflict and adoption by more than one military.


If that is the case, might as well include muzzle loaders and muskets, bow and arrow, knives, swords, axes, clubs, rocks, and any other weapon used in a war at some time.

 

Don't forget harsh language.


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