Biden’s Gun Control Push Will Further Divide Us

[seanc]

Ok so let's start now! Outreach to non-traditional firearm owners (blacks and browns) is low hanging fruit. Most people in the black community (yes, most are not criminals but are law abiding citizens) own firearms or are open to it. However, they don't have the guidance or the infrastructure to help them in their pursuit of 2A rights. Because the democrats don't highlight gun ownership like many on the right, there is really no outlet to go to. Other issues outside of 2A prevent many of these folks from coming over to "our" side. Many don't live near other races of people just like many of you guys don't live near large portions of blacks. So there is this invisible wall that exists. We focus too much on other issues instead of just 2A. We are not all going to agree on fiscal policies, or social issues but we need to find common ground where we can. The black community historically is very conservative, socially and fiscally. Many find their issues mixed in with the issues of the "Lake Shore" liberals who really could care less about issues minorities are facing nor could they care less about the second amendment. Police misconduct or unjust shootings by law LEOs shouldn't be a partisan issue as we all face this in some form. And it's only a small percentage of LEOs in this category. WE should all want accountability. For those who just want to give cops a hard time...well, that's their problem and I have no sympathy for them. We should want accountability from anyone that is a public servant. This seems to be the biggest issue that separates minorities from most gun loving white conservative Americans. Anyway, it's a start. If you want more voting conservatives, it's time to reach across the isle and prove it. Show them that there is nothing to fear from the "gun loving right" and you will see there is nothing to fear when dealing with those that don't look like you. It is a fact that most crime these days are being committed by young punks who are black. That's a darn shame. It is up to those in the communities to demand accountability just like they did prior to the 1994 crime bill. For all the BS talk about this bill and how it criminalized black men, the bill was needed. You had black tax paying citizens who couldn't walk outside their home for fear of being killed and they wanted something done about it. Was it fair? Nope! The crack rock vs powder cocaine disparity was totally wrong and resulted in more blacks getting locked up for longer periods but overall, it was needed. It is my opinion we need something similar today but just a fairer application of the law.

 

^This.

[mauserme]

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

[seanc]

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

 

Who said new gun owners or Dems had to start voting Republican? My point was that there is an artificial divide that keeps Dems from expressing pro-2nd Amendment views. I believe Tbrooks said the same:

 

 

So there is this invisible wall that exists. We focus too much on other issues instead of just 2A

 

I've had too many conversations with people where we're simpatico on everything until it comes out I voted for Trump (mildly conservative town, very liberal neighborhood). Suddenly, I'm a Nazi! Who's shutting down that conversation? The MSM/Dem establishment that has preprogrammed people to hate based on the code word "Republican", even on issues we agree with. That's what we're fighting, the pre-programming and the fact that this is seen as a "Republican" issue. It seems you keep saying on this thread that some of us shouldn't be in the conversation. Seems like there's too many people trying to control the conversation(s).

[Odinson]

In any situation where people of any political affiliation start to talk to me about gun control or new laws, I only use the 'criminals don't follow laws' argument. Why waste time with new legislation if we can barely enforce existing laws - like laws against murder. Everything else usually falls into place and I can enjoy the rest of my Uber ride in silence.

[mauserme]

 

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

Who said new gun owners or Dems had to start voting Republican? My point was that there is an artificial divide that keeps Dems from expressing pro-2nd Amendment views. I believe Tbrooks said the same:

So there is this invisible wall that exists. We focus too much on other issues instead of just 2A

I've had too many conversations with people where we're simpatico on everything until it comes out I voted for Trump (mildly conservative town, very liberal neighborhood). Suddenly, I'm a Nazi! Who's shutting down that conversation? The MSM/Dem establishment that has preprogrammed people to hate based on the code word "Republican", even on issues we agree with. That's what we're fighting, the pre-programming and the fact that this is seen as a "Republican" issue. It seems you keep saying on this thread that some of us shouldn't be in the conversation. Seems like there's too many people trying to control the conversation(s).

 

Sorry, I was responding to a post that wasn't yours. I should have quoted it for clarity.

 

 

Responding to your second paragraph, there are hard feelings throughout the country right now, often fostered by those who would like to keep us divided. If we can move beyond those feelings we can start to make some headway on real solutions. That has to happen on both sides, of course.

[FarmHand357]

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

 

+1!

[2A4Cook]

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

I would have agreed with this 10, maybe even 6 years ago, but there is no more "Democratic Party." The name is simply being used by a conglomeration of socialists, communists, anarchists and assorted other leftists. The normal people left among the Democrats follow along, probably because they just don't know what else to do. There comes a time when it becomes clear that you don't have to "leave" your party, because it's already left you. I used to be an ardent Democrat; 8 years of Bill Clinton changed that (to be honest, 4 years did, but I, too ... clung on for a while.)

 

Middle Class, working Americans need to wake up -- now -- to what the Democrat Party has become, and realize that voting Democrat is completely against not only their own interests, but those of their children. The Dems are waging a class, race and gender war, and my guess is that the majority of "Democrats" are in at least one of the categories that they are warring against. Look what Biden did in his first day: he crushed jobs, ensured high gas prices (and thus inflation), and set the table for unemployment and depressed wages for decades to come. Don't be fooled by their $15 per hour minimum wage, as any competent economist will tell you that this will lead only to increased unemployment and inflation. The only Americans who will do better are the corporate and tech giants, with whom the Democrats have hypocritically partnered to put and keep them in power

 

I give them no more than 100 days to come for our firearms. They've already came out fighting against the First Amendment.

[NRApistol]

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

I Agree:

 

Let's be realistic. Chicago/Cook Co. is controlled Democrats. The majority of restrictive gun laws come from this group. If you can't defeat the Democrats then maybe you should look at electing Gun Friendly Democrats. I do not give political views in my classes but I do point out bad laws and recommend that students contact their Representative and discuss the bad gun law that concerns them.

[seanc]

 

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

I Agree:

 

Let's be realistic. Chicago/Cook Co. is controlled Democrats. The majority of restrictive gun laws come from this group. If you can't defeat the Democrats then maybe you should look at electing Gun Friendly Democrats. I do not give political views in my classes but I do point out bad laws and recommend that students contact their Representative and discuss the bad gun law that concerns them.

 

 

Let's list the gun-friendly Democrats:

1.

[mrmagloo]

1. Phelps. Oops, he gone. Next.

[soundguy]

 

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

I Agree:

 

Let's be realistic. Chicago/Cook Co. is controlled Democrats. The majority of restrictive gun laws come from this group. If you can't defeat the Democrats then maybe you should look at electing Gun Friendly Democrats. I do not give political views in my classes but I do point out bad laws and recommend that students contact their Representative and discuss the bad gun law that concerns them.

 

 

 

Ancient history and possibly pointless, but...

 

In 1998 we should have been pushing Pro-Gun Democrat Glen Poshard over Anti-Gun Republican (and suspected criminal) George Ryan. Obviously, Illinois Carry wasn't yet a glimmer back then, but Poshard ran again as IC was getting started, losing his primary race, I believe.

 

Illinois totally blew it. I voted for Poshard. I also voted against Blago, Quinn and Pritzger. Making a choice to vote based on party affiliation seems rather irresponsible.

 

I'm certain there are more Pro-Gun D candidates in Illinois. Perhaps they are closeted, perhaps they are just avoiding the issue...we need to support them wherever they pop up and engage all candidates and public officials in 2A discussions whenever possible.

 

 

Quote from an article looking back:

 

Poshard, who grew up in deep Southern Illinois, lost as a result of qualities that were part of life in his rural, Bible Belt hometown: He was a religious conservative, and he didn’t have any money. A Baptist, Poshard called himself a “whole life Democrat,” meaning he opposed abortion but favored aid to poor families. The gay community was outraged when an aide suggested that doctors who opposed homosexuality shouldn’t have to treat gay patients.

 

Poshard ended up losing the lakefront to Ryan, who had reinvented himself as a liberal since helping Phyllis Schlafly stamp out the Equal Rights Amendment in the early 1980s. Poshard learned the same lesson Bill Brady learned last year: a social conservative cannot be elected governor of Illinois.

 

Illinois totally blew it.

[Sweeper13]

2. Biden.... Advises Shooting Shotgun Through Door. C'Mon Man!

[NRApistol]

 

 

Expecting Democrats to suddenly start voting Republican or Libertarian seems unrealistic to me. Demanding that of them is sure to alienate most from our cause.

 

Instead, we can recognize that a few might change their party affiliation in select elections, but a long term solution should also involve trying to bring the Democratic party back to its traditional values. That includes at least respect for the Second Amendment, if not support in many cases, but also some other issues that are not our (IllinoisCarry's) issues. New and existing gun owners can help lead the party in that direction, but we need to be able to talk to each other in order to facilitate that.

I Agree:

 

Let's be realistic. Chicago/Cook Co. is controlled Democrats. The majority of restrictive gun laws come from this group. If you can't defeat the Democrats then maybe you should look at electing Gun Friendly Democrats. I do not give political views in my classes but I do point out bad laws and recommend that students contact their Representative and discuss the bad gun law that concerns them.

 

 

Let's list the gun-friendly Democrats:

1.

 

Per statista.com 18% of Democrats own firearms and 31% live in a household with a firearm. Obviously there are pro gun Democrats that could help our cause.

[mauserme]

Ancient history and possibly pointless, but...

 

In 1998 we should have been pushing Pro-Gun Democrat Glen Poshard over Anti-Gun Republican (and suspected criminal) George Ryan. Obviously, Illinois Carry wasn't yet a glimmer back then, but Poshard ran again as IC was getting started, losing his primary race, I believe.

 

Illinois totally blew it. I voted for Poshard. I also voted against Blago, Quinn and Pritzger. Making a choice to vote based on party affiliation seems rather irresponsible.

 

I'm certain there are more Pro-Gun D candidates in Illinois. Perhaps they are closeted, perhaps they are just avoiding the issue...we need to support them wherever they pop up and engage all candidates and public officials in 2A discussions whenever possible.

 

 

Quote from an article looking back:

 

Poshard, who grew up in deep Southern Illinois, lost as a result of qualities that were part of life in his rural, Bible Belt hometown: He was a religious conservative, and he didnt have any money. A Baptist, Poshard called himself a whole life Democrat, meaning he opposed abortion but favored aid to poor families. The gay community was outraged when an aide suggested that doctors who opposed homosexuality shouldnt have to treat gay patients.

 

Poshard ended up losing the lakefront to Ryan, who had reinvented himself as a liberal since helping Phyllis Schlafly stamp out the Equal Rights Amendment in the early 1980s. Poshard learned the same lesson Bill Brady learned last year: a social conservative cannot be elected governor of Illinois.

Illinois totally blew it.

 

It's frustrating, but we're not able to get involved in the election process because of our not-for-profit status.

[chislinger]

The next gun-friendly Democrat on my ballot will be the first.

[seanc]

 

Ancient history and possibly pointless, but...

 

In 1998 we should have been pushing Pro-Gun Democrat Glen Poshard over Anti-Gun Republican (and suspected criminal) George Ryan. Obviously, Illinois Carry wasn't yet a glimmer back then, but Poshard ran again as IC was getting started, losing his primary race, I believe.

 

Illinois totally blew it. I voted for Poshard. I also voted against Blago, Quinn and Pritzger. Making a choice to vote based on party affiliation seems rather irresponsible.

 

I'm certain there are more Pro-Gun D candidates in Illinois. Perhaps they are closeted, perhaps they are just avoiding the issue...we need to support them wherever they pop up and engage all candidates and public officials in 2A discussions whenever possible.

 

 

Quote from an article looking back:

 

Poshard, who grew up in deep Southern Illinois, lost as a result of qualities that were part of life in his rural, Bible Belt hometown: He was a religious conservative, and he didn’t have any money. A Baptist, Poshard called himself a “whole life Democrat,” meaning he opposed abortion but favored aid to poor families. The gay community was outraged when an aide suggested that doctors who opposed homosexuality shouldn’t have to treat gay patients.

 

Poshard ended up losing the lakefront to Ryan, who had reinvented himself as a liberal since helping Phyllis Schlafly stamp out the Equal Rights Amendment in the early 1980s. Poshard learned the same lesson Bill Brady learned last year: a social conservative cannot be elected governor of Illinois.

 

Illinois totally blew it.

 

 

I think I went 3rd party for that election, don't remember who. I do remember I had a deep distrust of Ryan. I'll admit I almost voted for Blago, but that had nothing to do with 2nd Amendment, it was more sending a message to the IL Republican party that they were (are) dirty. I haven't done any ticket-splitting since 2008 when it seemed the party lines were firmly drawn on 2 issues I couldn't compromise on: Abortion and the 2nd Amendment. There've been many Republicans I haven't voted for in the general, hoping missing votes would be noticed somewhere. I've also come to accept the concept of the Uni-Party in Illinois. Long live the Uni-Party!

[mauserme]

A couple off topic, divisive posts have been removed.