Listening to a city of Chicago lawyer getting her backside handed to her is like a symphony.
I wonder what the Chicago tax payer is paying for this orchestra?
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 04:42 PM
"Waiting periods are only a step.
Registration is only a step.
The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
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Registration is only a step.
The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
Janet Reno
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"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the governments ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 06:27 PM
License to own? Assuming you meant carry because you don't have to "qualify" for FOID.
After the SCOTUS ruling in McDonald v. Chicago, the city enacted an ordinance the required handgun owners to take a five hour class, including live-fire at a range, in order to get a Handgun License in Chicago. Rhonda Ezell sued the city because it was illogical and irrational to REQUIRE range training in order possess a handgun in the city, but BAN RANGES in the city at the same time.
IIRC that "license " was the reason Otis went all the way to SCOTUS before he could OWN a handgun.
Before Mr. McDonald (rest his soul) won his case at the Supreme Court, everyone in Chicago was prevented from owning a handgun (legally) in Chicago unless you had a rare, grandfathered registered handgun. They stopped registering new handguns in the 1980s.
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 06:43 PM
Now that Otis is in a better place not many will ever know about the WHY and the threats he endured in order to win that case.
Enjoy your rest Otis and I enjoyed our many hours of great memories spent on the bus rides to Springfield.
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 06:59 PM
Now that Otis is in a better place not many will ever know about the WHY and the threats he endured in order to win that case.
Enjoy your rest Otis and I enjoyed our many hours of great memories spent on the bus rides to Springfield.
What threats did he encounter? I wasn't aware of the background of his story.
"The point of [so-called "assault weapon" bans]...is not to ban firearms that are dangerous, it's to ban firearms that gun owners want to own because the people making the laws don't like gun owners. If we want to buy non-semiauto AR-style rifles, they'll ban those too, and for the same reason."
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:33 PM
Now that Otis is in a better place not many will ever know about the WHY and the threats he endured in order to win that case.
Enjoy your rest Otis and I enjoyed our many hours of great memories spent on the bus rides to Springfield.
What threats did he encounter? I wasn't aware of the background of his story.
He stood against the machine. I could only imagine the kind of threats he endured!
"Waiting periods are only a step.
Registration is only a step.
The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
Janet Reno
U.S. Attorney General
1993-12-10
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the governments ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
Bill Clinton
1993-08-12
Registration is only a step.
The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
Janet Reno
U.S. Attorney General
1993-12-10
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the governments ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
Bill Clinton
1993-08-12
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:45 PM
He never mentioned about the Chiraq machine but did tell me about some of the bangers in his neighborhood.
As long as they are the only ones with guns they can do anything they want to do and that has to stop.
To me Otis will always stand as tall and courageous as any John Wayne character.
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 08:54 PM
Hey, at least in this case I feel I'm getting my money's worth!Listening to a city of Chicago lawyer getting her backside handed to her is like a symphony.
I wonder what the Chicago tax payer is paying for this orchestra?
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Posted 09 November 2015 - 01:41 AM
Hey, at least in this case I feel I'm getting my money's worth!Listening to a city of Chicago lawyer getting her backside handed to her is like a symphony.
I wonder what the Chicago tax payer is paying for this orchestra?
Agreed! Here's to a Chicago range sometime soon...
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:18 PM
Link to audio not working. Need asap, please? Can someone post a link, or upload here?
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:32 PM
See if this is what you need
http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/sound/2015/sp.14-3312.14-3312_11_04_2015.mp3
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:58 PM
Excellent! Thank you!
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 11:36 PM
Quite an interesting listen.
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 08:33 AM
Anyone have a cliff notes version of the proceedings?
"The point of [so-called "assault weapon" bans]...is not to ban firearms that are dangerous, it's to ban firearms that gun owners want to own because the people making the laws don't like gun owners. If we want to buy non-semiauto AR-style rifles, they'll ban those too, and for the same reason."
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 11:07 AM
"Your witnesses didn't seem to have any evidence."
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 11:46 AM
"Your witnesses didn't seem to have any evidence."
So same as the previous hearing? And a lot of "umms" and "ahhs"?
"The point of [so-called "assault weapon" bans]...is not to ban firearms that are dangerous, it's to ban firearms that gun owners want to own because the people making the laws don't like gun owners. If we want to buy non-semiauto AR-style rifles, they'll ban those too, and for the same reason."
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 01:15 PM
That audio is great. Better watch out for all those kids running around inside shooting ranges. 
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 02:09 PM
That audio is great. Better watch out for all those kids running around inside shooting ranges.
I was sitting there with Rhonda, Molly, and Swanhunter.
I though I was gonna have to bite the back of my hand to keep from busting out in laughter.
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:26 PM
Wow, a great listen. Thanks for posting.
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Posted 22 January 2016 - 06:29 AM
How long does it usually take to rule on a case like this?
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Posted 22 January 2016 - 10:11 AM
Wow, I'm only about 1/4 of the way through, and that Chicago attorney is having a *really* hard time defending the law.
"One person." "One range without a gun store." "You're experts don't say that!"
Can someone identify who the various voices are? I assume the other woman is one of the judges, and the man with the more gravelly voice as well.
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Posted 06 March 2016 - 01:38 PM
Believe it's the original panel hearing the appeal (over and over). Senior Judge Kanne, Circuit Judges Rovner and Sykes. Kanne sounds like he's on his death bed, except that he's still extremely sharp. Rovner is....older while Sykes is youngest Judge on the panel (and on conservative short lists for SCOTUS).
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Posted 18 September 2016 - 03:56 PM
How long does it usually take to rule on a case like this?
It's been more than 10 months, and still counting… Just wondering out loud how much longer it will be before we get a ruling on this one.
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Posted 18 September 2016 - 04:51 PM
Listening to a city of Chicago lawyer getting her backside handed to her is like a symphony.
I wonder what the Chicago tax payer is paying for this orchestra?
That reminds me - I still need to FOIA the City and ask that question for the past 20 or so years.
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Despite their rallying around us at election time, honoring only 8 hours of Illinois' 40+ hour law enforcement class towards a 16 hour requirement shows the contempt that our elected officials hold us in.
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 05:50 PM
Just saw this from Alan Gura!
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:04 PM
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:04 PM
WOW..Very nice. Sad that it took 1 yr to get a decision.
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:22 PM
Good deal.
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 06:26 PM
"Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." - Galations 6:9 (NIV)
"If you can't explain it to a six-year old, you don't understand it yourself." - Albert Einstein (paraphrased)
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:07 PM
Reading the ruling is almost as fun as it was being in the courtroom hearing the arguments!
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 07:10 PM
Judge Sykes for SCOTUS!
Then again, we'd lose her on the CA7...
Then again, we'd lose her on the CA7...
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