solareclipse2 Posted November 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM Share Posted November 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM I was told just last weekend that hollow points wasn't allowed for CCL, this was from a friend whose a LEO for CPD. I've tried to explain to him but he's one that's stick to what he believe.Where on earth would he get that idea? People will say anything without thinking about it whether it's right, wrong, dangerous or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted November 16, 2014 at 10:19 PM Share Posted November 16, 2014 at 10:19 PM I was in the level 2 Force on Force course taught by Rockdiver at Blackflag, Dino at Spartan, and Bigdeesul. There were several police recruits there. They were about 5-6 weeks into training. They said they've already been "warned" about concealed carry permit holders. They've been told to not argue with them because permit holders usually know the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted November 17, 2014 at 12:58 AM Share Posted November 17, 2014 at 12:58 AM I was in the level 2 Force on Force course taught by Rockdiver at Blackflag, Dino at Spartan, and Bigdeesul. There were several police recruits there. They were about 5-6 weeks into training. They said they've already been "warned" about concealed carry permit holders. They've been told to not argue with them because permit holders usually know the law.Outstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted November 17, 2014 at 01:33 AM Share Posted November 17, 2014 at 01:33 AM I was told just last weekend that hollow points wasn't allowed for CCL, this was from a friend whose a LEO for CPD. I've tried to explain to him but he's one that's stick to what he believe.Your friend could very well make a bad arrest and end up getting the department sued, not to mention infringing on someone doing nothing wrong. convince him to read the law before he jams himself up good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1776 Posted November 17, 2014 at 01:45 AM Share Posted November 17, 2014 at 01:45 AM Looks like it is time to carry my FN 5.7 again as jacket time is here , 20 round flush magazine , i qualified for my CCW with that pistol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljnowel Posted November 17, 2014 at 06:06 AM Share Posted November 17, 2014 at 06:06 AM Yet another reason to love my 1911. I'll take 9 heavy hitting 10mm rounds over 16 of something else with a side of getting jammed up.Get a Glock and you won't have to worry about the jam-o-matic 1911. Yeah we all know gaston created "perfection" with a Sasquatch grip and the worst trigger in the industry. It's impossible for one to jam because he impregnated the super special plastic with Austrian fairy farts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted November 17, 2014 at 06:17 AM Share Posted November 17, 2014 at 06:17 AM I don't see why everyone is having problems with this what we really want is the ability to carry HE, Willy Pete and Smoke grenades on public transportation in Illinois...some bothers you on the train.....give them a face full of shrapnel....he has friends use the Willy Pete and burn their faces off......does anyone doubt that after the 4th of 5th grenade attack by a citizen that the thugs stop attacking civilians...a step up would be Claymore mines with chin straps. I am so tired of stop gap solutions....and I am sure CPD won't mind seeing people in flak vests commuting to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadN. Posted November 17, 2014 at 05:03 PM Share Posted November 17, 2014 at 05:03 PM I was told just last weekend that hollow points wasn't allowed for CCL, this was from a friend whose a LEO for CPD. I've tried to explain to him but he's one that's stick to what he believe. If he's your friend and you care about him, tell him he's in danger of getting sued if he actually arrests someone for this. Better yet, hand him a copy of the law and ask him to point it out to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuroraInstructor Posted November 17, 2014 at 06:00 PM Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 at 06:00 PM Last week I had to be in the loop for business and spotted a Chicago Police Officer with a Sergeant, so I thought I would talk to them. Nice guys, and they even said "We're not gun grabbers." BUT... the officer told me the magazine capacity was limited by law to TEN rounds. I politely explained the real ordinance, but even the Sergeant was in the dark... Molly / Todd.... Any update on challenging the mag capacity in court???? Maybe then these cops would get educated... Sir: You're an instructor and you don't already know that many beat cops aren't knowledgable about gun laws? You might be better served asking if they know who the Vice-President is than if they know how many rounds a guy can carry with a CCW license! Either IL law is extra complex on guns or cops here don't know or don't care to learn what the rules are. Very different than FL. Hmmm... Who IS the Vice President? Isn't it Dan Quayle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoktorPaimon Posted November 18, 2014 at 02:51 PM Share Posted November 18, 2014 at 02:51 PM Ugh, you guys with this 1911...45acp...10mm talk...I know our egos are invested in our guns right? Just get a Glock 17/19 with 15 rounds of beautiful modern 9mm ammo and your good. Glocks are your friend. They go bang all the time and they accept you for who you are. C'mon, man, we gotta find some fun somewhere in this state. A little good-natured ribbing about calibers or the relative value of John Moses Browning's Gift To Mankind vs a plastic glockinade might be what we need to keep hope alive. Glockinade! LOL! Good one...Did Browning come back from the dead to personally hand you "The" 1911 that was hand forged in the dungeons of Browningdom made from valerian steel? ....that doesn't happen to everyone on their 21st birthday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Guy 77 Posted November 19, 2014 at 02:49 AM Share Posted November 19, 2014 at 02:49 AM I was told just last weekend that hollow points wasn't allowed for CCL, this was from a friend whose a LEO for CPD. I've tried to explain to him but he's one that's stick to what he believe.Where on earth would he get that idea?I don't even now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Guy 77 Posted November 19, 2014 at 02:54 AM Share Posted November 19, 2014 at 02:54 AM I was told just last weekend that hollow points wasn't allowed for CCL, this was from a friend whose a LEO for CPD. I've tried to explain to him but he's one that's stick to what he believe.Your friend could very well make a bad arrest and end up getting the department sued, not to mention infringing on someone doing nothing wrong. convince him to read the law before he jams himself up good.I expain this to him as well, I even ofter to print off a copy of the law for him. I even asked him to join this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAS Posted November 20, 2014 at 12:56 AM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 12:56 AM For your viewing pleasures just search for anything you question and see the directives http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/ For Concealed weapons search for concealed weapons act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAS Posted November 20, 2014 at 01:12 AM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 01:12 AM Chicago Police are big on training their cops, so don't believe the stories that CPD did something wrong because they weren't trained. If they do something, it's because of or despite of their training. Every cop on the street is receiving training, a bunch of it. Its not uncommon to hear them on the scanner talking about going in for various training, and I specifically recall hearing Second Amendment training at one time. Chicago Police are big on training their cops, so don't believe the stories that CPD did something wrong because they weren't trained. If they do something, it's because of or despite of their training. Every cop on the street is receiving training, a bunch of it. Its not uncommon to hear them on the scanner talking about going in for various training, and I specifically recall hearing Second Amendment training at one time.I disagree with this statement that they are being trained at least the super secret units. I have direct family in one of the specialize city wide units and well no one in her unit nor in any of the units in the building have received any training concerning concealed weapons. And no i am not referring to the joe's on the street running a beat car or a district tact car. I am referring gang crime units, intelligence units, narcotics units etc etc that most will never have contact or even know they were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted November 20, 2014 at 01:49 AM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 01:49 AM It must be just the district I'm in then. They are constantly going for training, elearning, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAS Posted November 20, 2014 at 02:02 AM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 02:02 AM It must be just the district I'm in then. They are constantly going for training, elearning, etc.Most of the guys working VRI don't even know. then again how do you keep track and train that many officers unless doing it by computer testing s skills that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted November 20, 2014 at 07:53 AM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 07:53 AM For your viewing pleasures just search for anything you question and see the directives http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/ For Concealed weapons search for concealed weapons act interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matkinson Posted November 20, 2014 at 03:02 PM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 03:02 PM Important directives for CCL holders would include: http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57bf0-14450db7-d5814-450e-8f22388f1b41f83d.html?hl=true (this one would appear to be entirely out of date) http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57bf0-12dc41eb-af712-dc46-923815c7c3b2a231.html?hl=true http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57bf0-14450db7-d5814-450e-8e4ed8cfc41f3670.html?hl=true What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted November 20, 2014 at 07:19 PM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 07:19 PM "It must be just the district I'm in then. They are constantly going for training, elearning, etc." That's just cop slang for "going to the bar for a long lunch". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbrooks Posted November 20, 2014 at 07:52 PM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 07:52 PM Wow...what if it does?? ....that doesn't happen to everyone on their 21st birthday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted November 20, 2014 at 11:40 PM Share Posted November 20, 2014 at 11:40 PM Glockinade! LOL! Good one...Did Browning come back from the dead to personally hand you "The" 1911 that was hand forged in the dungeons of Browningdom made from valerian steel? ....that doesn't happen to everyone on their 21st birthday? Only in Texas lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemc Posted December 12, 2014 at 07:58 AM Share Posted December 12, 2014 at 07:58 AM My wife has a good friend that is married to a Cook County cop. I have heard him say some things that were unbelievable.One was that no other states will not honor Illinois permits because we aren't recognizing theirs, this was a couple months ago, wow. Another was that it's illegal for anyone to own a bullet proof vest. He says it with conviction, like he is absolutely sure about it and wants to sound like a know it all. I have heard enough BS, not just firearms related but in general, that I don't believe anything he says now. It's a shame because otherwise he's a pretty cool guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted December 12, 2014 at 02:47 PM Share Posted December 12, 2014 at 02:47 PM My wife has a good friend that is married to a Cook County cop. I have heard him say some things that were unbelievable. One was that no other states will not honor Illinois permits because we aren't recognizing theirs, this was a couple months ago, wow. Another was that it's illegal for anyone to own a bullet proof vest. He says it with conviction, like he is absolutely sure about it and wants to sound like a know it all. I have heard enough BS, not just firearms related but in general, that I don't believe anything he says now. It's a shame because otherwise he's a pretty cool guy. Some people (and this is not specific to police officers) think they know much more than they actually do. It's unfortunate, because there is no shame in not knowing. Usually takes nothing more than a Google search to learn the correct answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevepk Posted December 12, 2014 at 03:01 PM Share Posted December 12, 2014 at 03:01 PM “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted December 14, 2014 at 01:52 AM Share Posted December 14, 2014 at 01:52 AM My wife has a good friend that is married to a Cook County cop. I have heard him say some things that were unbelievable.One was that no other states will not honor Illinois permits because we aren't recognizing theirs, this was a couple months ago, wow. Another was that it's illegal for anyone to own a bullet proof vest. He says it with conviction, like he is absolutely sure about it and wants to sound like a know it all. I have heard enough BS, not just firearms related but in general, that I don't believe anything he says now. It's a shame because otherwise he's a pretty cool guy. My first question when anyone makes such a claim is for the specific statute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie Posted December 14, 2014 at 02:24 AM Share Posted December 14, 2014 at 02:24 AM I live in suburban Cook (Palatine). I've ordered 17 round mags for my M&P 9FS with no problem, shipped to my work address, which is in DuPage County. My billing address clearly shows I'm in Cook County. I've ordered from several places and no one has questioned me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie Posted December 14, 2014 at 02:28 AM Share Posted December 14, 2014 at 02:28 AM I was in the level 2 Force on Force course taught by Rockdiver at Blackflag, Dino at Spartan, and Bigdeesul. There were several police recruits there. They were about 5-6 weeks into training. They said they've already been "warned" about concealed carry permit holders. They've been told to not argue with them because permit holders usually know the law. I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted December 16, 2014 at 03:18 PM Share Posted December 16, 2014 at 03:18 PM My wife has a good friend that is married to a Cook County cop. I have heard him say some things that were unbelievable. One was that no other states will not honor Illinois permits because we aren't recognizing theirs, this was a couple months ago, wow. Another was that it's illegal for anyone to own a bullet proof vest. He says it with conviction, like he is absolutely sure about it and wants to sound like a know it all. I have heard enough BS, not just firearms related but in general, that I don't believe anything he says now. It's a shame because otherwise he's a pretty cool guy. If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle em with your bullsh*t lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted December 18, 2014 at 05:34 AM Share Posted December 18, 2014 at 05:34 AM I live in suburban Cook (Palatine). I've ordered 17 round mags for my M&P 9FS with no problem, shipped to my work address, which is in DuPage County. My billing address clearly shows I'm in Cook County. I've ordered from several places and no one has questioned me at all. Unfortunately IL law requires ammo be delivered to your FOID or DL address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted December 18, 2014 at 05:14 PM Share Posted December 18, 2014 at 05:14 PM Unfortunately IL law requires ammo be delivered to your FOID or DL address.Nothing makes sense with ammo shippers. They are afraid to ship to Chicago which isn't illegal but they will ship to a different address than on your FOID which is very illegal. I've found that I can just have them ship to my families summer house in Indiana and they don't even ask for a FOID and my billing address is in Chicago. Doesn't work in winter though since no one is there to get the package and I don't want to leave it sitting there for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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