mauserme Posted April 11, 2019 at 06:37 PM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 06:37 PM Congratulations to SAF, ISRA, Plaintiff Doe and their attorney, David Sigale: https://mailchi.mp/saf/saf-court-victory-ends-gun-ban?e=6a9049dba9 SAF COURT VICTORY ENDS GUN BAN A federal judge has issued a permanent injunction against the East St. Louis Housing Authoritys (ESLHA) ban on firearms possession by residents of government-subsidized public housing and thus granting a victory to the Second Amendment Foundation, which sued the town in 2018 over the ban. The lawsuit was filed on behalf of an N. Doe resident who wished to protect her identity, because she is, according to the lawsuit, hiding from a violent domestic abuser. SAF was joined by the Illinois State Rifle Association. They were represented by Glen Ellyn, Illinois attorney David Sigale. We are delighted with the judges decision, which we hope sends a message to other municipal governments that they cant try to sneak around the two United States Supreme Court victories that SAF and its attorneys were involved in to further their efforts to ban legal firearms ownership, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. Gottlieb noted, Our attorney, in this case, David Sigale, holds the record for the most gun rights court victories in the legal profession. This isnt the first time weve had to challenge such a regulation, said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. It is simply unacceptable for citizens living in public housing to be denied their basic right to have a firearm for personal protection, and in this case, it was unconscionable. The court order of final judgment ruled that the plaintiffs rights are were violated under the Second and Fourteenth Amendments due to a requirement that no firearms be possessed on the property as a condition of the lease. This situation was made even more outrageous considering what has happened to Ms. Doe while living at her home, Gottlieb noted, referring to the lawsuit. Weve explained how she was beaten and raped in January 2017, and her children stopped the attack only by threatening to use a gun. On two other occasions, Ms. Doe had to call the police due to shootings in nearby residences. When the housing authority threatened to terminate her lease due to the gun in her residence, they insisted that the building is safe, so she doesnt need a gun. This kind of gun prohibition extremism has no place on American soil, Gottlieb observed. Its just one more example of how the Second Amendment Foundation is winning firearms freedom, one lawsuit at a time. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Illinois. View Court Order here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted April 11, 2019 at 06:47 PM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 06:47 PM At least this verdict didn't take 10 yrs... Thanks to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 11, 2019 at 06:59 PM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 06:59 PM For reference, this topic is a continuation of the archived SAF, ISRA Sue East St Louis Housing Authority Over Gun Ban for Residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted April 11, 2019 at 08:46 PM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 08:46 PM Would this ruling cover all of Southern Illinois housing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted April 11, 2019 at 11:06 PM Share Posted April 11, 2019 at 11:06 PM David Sigale ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 12, 2019 at 12:14 AM Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 12:14 AM David Sigale ? Yes: Our attorney, in this case, David Sigale, holds the record for the most gun rights court victories in the legal profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 12, 2019 at 12:58 AM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 12:58 AM Would this ruling cover all of Southern Illinois housing ? The ruling is worded to be directed exclusively at the East St. Louis Housing Authority, but if any other landlord tried to insert (or already does insert) a ban on firearms into a lease, it would just be a copy/paste to file a suit to invalidate it. The decision has 5 parts.The housing association is prohibited from enforcing the firearm prohibition for residents inside the residential units.The housing association is required to remove the offending language from all future leases.The housing association is free to prohibit firearm possession by non-residents.The housing association is free to prohibit firearm possession in public areas (i.e., not inside residential units).The housing association is ordered to pay the cost of the plantiff's legal fees (which are $7500 - freaking cheap IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weed Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:31 AM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:31 AM I wouldn't want to be anywhere in E. Saint Louis without a firearm and would rather it be a belt fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:53 AM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:53 AM David Sigale ?Yes: Our attorney, in this case, David Sigale, holds the record for the most gun rights court victories in the legal profession. I think I might need to give this fellow a call sometime in the near future. There's a public transportation concealed carry prohibition that I need to kick the legal teeth in at some point not too distant from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted April 12, 2019 at 07:43 AM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 07:43 AM I think I might need to give this fellow a call sometime in the near future. There's a public transportation concealed carry prohibition that I need to kick the legal teeth in at some point not too distant from now.You might want to listen to this first: http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/sound/external/ds.18-2686.18-2686_04_04_2019.mp3?fbclid=IwAR18BddCHIrSQWeQQMJo_xdmUlOT8NPZtIZeotkp4CAQxEknm9HyaUu8uVc Wilson vs Cook Co appeal. And he is teed up to do the FOID constitutionality appeal through IC and ISRA (Sigale) because her attorney is retiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 12, 2019 at 10:22 AM Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 10:22 AM I guess he actually won two gun rights cases yesterday, the other a little smaller than this one. In the long run, of course, it's the courts' opinions of his arguments that are the only opinions which really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted April 12, 2019 at 12:12 PM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 12:12 PM David Sigale ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted April 12, 2019 at 02:54 PM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 02:54 PM I guess he actually won two gun rights cases yesterday, the other a little smaller than this one. In the long run, of course, it's the courts' opinions of his arguments that are the only opinions which really matter.What's the second case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:09 PM Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:09 PM The second was a licensing review board case. Like I said, smaller, but two wins in one day is very unusual. https://sigalelaw.com/wins-bookend-firms-day/ Wins Bookend Firms Day APR 11, 2019 BY ADMIN IN GUN LAW Today was a day of victories large and small for the Law Firm of David G. Sigale, P.C. In the morning, the District Court for the Southern District of Illinois entered a judgment in favor of the Firms clients in N.Doe v. East St. Louis Housing Authority, which was a challenge on behalf of public housing residents being prohibited from possessing firearms in their residence for self-defense for fear of being evicted. Thanks to this ruling, those residents, including the Plaintiff who had to file anonymously due to violent physical threats against her from a former romantic interest, will no longer suffer discrimination in exercising their Second Amendment rights due to being on public assistance. Constitutional rights should not depend on income level, and this ruling solidifies that principle. Thanks are due to Second Amendment Foundation for its support and participation, and the Illinois State Rifle Association, which was also a co-Plaintiff in the case on behalf of its members. Then, in the afternoon, David G. Sigale received word from his client, R.C., that his Illinois concealed carry application appeal before the Licensing Review Board was successful and that his license, wrongfully held in limbo for months, has been approved. Sigale says, In both cases, macro and micro, there is a real person whose rights have been affected, and the Firm has been honored to represent them in their efforts. The Law Firm of David G. Sigale, P.C. was founded to serve the legal needs of the Chicago metropolitan area. Mr. Sigale has counseled and represented corporate and individual clients across the United States and internationally. He believes in protecting Americans from improper attempts by the government to infringe upon their constitutional rights. His firm services clients in Cook, DuPage, Kane, Kendall and Will Counties, and as well as reviews matters in other locations on a case-by-case basis. Contact the firm for a consultation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:37 PM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 03:37 PM The second was a licensing review board case. Like I said, smaller, but two wins in one day is very unusual. https://sigalelaw.com/wins-bookend-firms-day/ Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted April 12, 2019 at 06:44 PM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 06:44 PM He helped win the McDonald and Ezell cases as well https://sigalelaw.com/home/profile/ https://sigalelaw.com/home/second-victory-in-appellate-court-for-chicago-gun-ranges-in-ezell-v-city-of-chicago/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted April 12, 2019 at 09:10 PM Share Posted April 12, 2019 at 09:10 PM Moore v Madigan (CCL in 7th ct.) , too, if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 13, 2019 at 05:10 PM Share Posted April 13, 2019 at 05:10 PM Would this ruling cover all of Southern Illinois housing ? Just this particular Housing because it was a reached agreement. However, we would be glad to advance this effort to any housing authority in the state! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted April 13, 2019 at 08:45 PM Share Posted April 13, 2019 at 08:45 PM Would this ruling cover all of Southern Illinois housing ? Just this particular Housing because it was a reached agreement. However, we would be glad to advance this effort to any housing authority in the state! If you remember Per my PM to you sometime back , my lease says " shall not unlawfully " possess . However there are still many who have the understanding and belief that a person can not have a firearm anywhere on housing property. I was hoping I could show them this judgement for proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 13, 2019 at 08:53 PM Share Posted April 13, 2019 at 08:53 PM If you remember Per my PM to you sometime back , my lease says " shall not unlawfully " possess. However there are still many who have the understanding and belief that a person can not have a firearm anywhere on housing property. I was hoping I could show them this judgement for proof. Well, that's a useless contract clause. Nobody anywhere is legally allowed to do anything unlawful. That's what "unlawful" means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 13, 2019 at 11:30 PM Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 at 11:30 PM It allows a civil remedy, like eviction, even if criminal charges aren't brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 14, 2019 at 04:40 AM Share Posted April 14, 2019 at 04:40 AM It allows a civil remedy, like eviction, even if criminal charges aren't brought. OK, I'll agree that if a tenant is convicted, he's evicted. If the tenant was acquitted or if there wasn't even a prosecution, I think the landlord is going to have a hard time proving a crime, even "more likely than not," but I guess he can try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted April 15, 2019 at 03:35 AM Share Posted April 15, 2019 at 03:35 AM Yes: Our attorney, in this case, David Sigale, holds the record for the most gun rights court victories in the legal profession. I think I might need to give this fellow a call sometime in the near future. There's a public transportation concealed carry prohibition that I need to kick the legal teeth in at some point not too distant from now. You are referring to the public transportation in Chicago, correct? Because they aren't the only ones. In St. Louis, the "Metro" goes from the St. Louis airport (AKA "Lambert Field") across state lines into Illinois. IIRC, they actually go all the way to Scott AFB east of Belleville. And therein lies the problem as they go through 3 major jurisdictions, St. Louis County, St. Louis City, and St. Clair County, IL. NONE of the departments can talk to each other (although they are moving in that direction) and, they are having discussions on how to let the jurisdictions work across state lines.It doesn't matter if it is the light rail system or the buses, NO weapons are "allowed". And both buses and trains have to go through both East St. Louis, IL, and downtown St. Louis. Need I say more?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 15, 2019 at 04:17 PM Share Posted April 15, 2019 at 04:17 PM Would this ruling cover all of Southern Illinois housing ? Just this particular Housing because it was a reached agreement. However, we would be glad to advance this effort to any housing authority in the state! If you remember Per my PM to you sometime back , my lease says " shall not unlawfully " possess . However there are still many who have the understanding and belief that a person can not have a firearm anywhere on housing property. I was hoping I could show them this judgement for proof. Definitely show them the ruling! Keep me posted on their reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted December 15, 2019 at 03:30 AM Share Posted December 15, 2019 at 03:30 AM Can't even transport an unloaded/cased firearm on public transportation in Missouri regardless of carry licensing, and it's a felony. Jim Crow law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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