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The anti's live in a fantasy world. This terrible law which passed will not slow down 1 criminal, but will harm their economy and all law-abiding citizens. What I find most telling though is that 4 hours of impassioned speeches and many olive branches offered did not change the preliminary vote by even 1 person. The antis are entrenched, and view this only from a political lens. Appealing to common sense or facts will have zero affect.
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This issue of gun rights being a republican v democrat thing - it comes up all the time, and I know we have Phelps who is a democrat leading the charge for CCW here, but I think Colorado has the same problem we do - enough gun owners who trust the democratic party in general and, at election time, don't think that the democrats are going to take away their guns.

 

I remember people talking on this forum about how Obama hadn't intiated any gun control and probably wouldn't...

 

I'm sure there were gun owners who voted for quite a few of those democrats in Colorado who are now passing all this anti-gun legislation.

 

The only thing we can hope for now is such a wicked backlash that the dems lose the governor's seat and the rebublicans get majorities in both the senate and house in Colorado in the next election. The backlash from the 1994 AWB obviously didn't make enough of an imporession on some politicians.

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So is it officially law now in Colorado?

 

Not yet....

Colorado: Anti-Gun Legislators Ignore Their Constituents and Pass Onerous Gun Control Bills in the Senate

 

Posted on March 12, 2013

 

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Your Immediate Action is Still Needed to Stop a Ban on Standard Capacity Magazines

In a blatant disregard for the constitutional rights of the law-abiding citizens of Colorado, a laundry list of dangerous anti-gun legislation passed yesterday in the state Senate, including:

House Bill 1224 – Bans magazines with a capacity greater than fifteen rounds. (Passed by an 18-17 vote)

House Bill 1228 – Imposes a “gun tax” for a background check when purchasing a firearm. (Passed by a 19-16 vote.)

House Bill 1229 – Criminalizes the private transfer of a firearm. (Passed by a 19-16 vote.)

Since the beginning of this year, hunters, shooters and gun owners have made tens of thousands of phone calls and sent emails making their case to the elected officials in Denver that their Second Amendment rights and freedoms shall not be infringed. Thousands of hard-working Coloradans took time away from their jobs and families, driving sometimes as much as seven hours, to show up at the state Capitol to stand in solidarity against this rights-infringing legislation.

However, despite all of this, your voice and your rights have been ignored by radical anti-gun officials who have taken their lead from New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

The outright disrespect shown towards the voters in Colorado and to the legislative process, by both Governor John Hickenlooper and those state legislators who voted for these bills, is outrageous and reprehensible.

But the fight in Denver for your rights is not over yet!

Two of the bills above, HB 1224 and HB 1229, now return to the state House for a concurrence vote on Senate amendments, giving Second Amendment supporters and sportsmen another chance to stop their passage and enactment.

We need you to contact the following state Representatives TODAY and politely urge them to vote NO on HB 1224, as it only passed in the state House by a 34-31 vote last month and stands the better chance of being defeated.

Please also being to contact Governor John Hickenlooper and encourage him to veto House Bills 1224, 1228 and 1229. Contact Governor John Hickenlooper by email here and by phone at (303) 866-2471 or 303-866-2885.

Below is the contact information for the key state Representatives whose votes will determine the defeat or passage of HB 1224:

Daniel Kagan (D-03)

repkagan@gmail.com

303-866-2921

Mike McLachlan (D-59)

mike.mclachlan.house@state.co.us

303-866-2914

Jonathan Singer (D-11)

jonathan.singer.house@state.co.us

303-866-2780

Dominick Moreno (D-32)

dominick.moreno.house@state.co.us

303-866-2964

Dave Young (D-50)

dave.young.house@state.co.us

303-866-2929

Tony Exum (D-17)

thomas.exum.house@state.co.us

303-866-3069

Please stay tuned to www.nraila.org and your e-mail inbox for further updates.

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So all you gun rights folks that normally vote Democrat, what say you NOW? Eyes opened yet? Still plan on voting D in the future?

Yeah, better to vote for Rs like Mark Kirk.

 

How about evaluating each candidate by their positions not their party?

 

I agree that we should be evaluating each candidate by their voting record and not their party. But still, anti gun Republicans are quite scarce and it appears that the ratio of bad Dem politicians to bad GOP politicians is at LEAST 10/1. For those that always point to Mark Kirk as a poster boy for bad Republicans, can you name any more currently holding office?

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I seem to recall the choice presented. Either Kirk or Alexi Giannoulias...that crooked scumbag VP and senior loan officer at his mommy and daddy's Broadway Bank (God bless nepotism) which was shut down by the OCC because it couldn't raise enough capital...cost U.S. taxpayers close to $400M to eat all of the liabilities and bad loans that MB wouldn't buy up.

 

He was also one of Obama's good friends from their days at UofC, praised that pork-laden Keynesian stimulus crap that did nothing (good), also apparently was good friends with some piece of work member of a crime family in New Jersey and who ran a prostitution ring. If not for Obama's endorsement, he'd have been massacred in the primary. So really it was a lesser of two evils. Either another one of Obama's lap dogs, crooked to the bone, Machine politician who somehow *sarcasm* avoided any criminal charges stemming from his well-known loans to ongoing criminal enterprises in New Jersey and Chicago *cough*Rezko*cough* not to mention a fundraiser organized by a mob wife. It's not nor was ig ever SOP for a VP and THE senior loan officer to not at least know about big loans but personally underwrite them as well.$12M is a big chunk of change for a personal line so for him to say he had no idea he loaned that much to a mobster under FBI surveillance and another half million to Rezko, also under FBI investigation, is a load of crap. Actually I know a lot of bank CEOs (because I work with them for a living) and even they would know about a personal loan for $12M or the Rezko loan, the most senior loan officer would be forced to sign off on something that large as well. If audit a bank that has that lax of internal controls (I wonder why it went down the toilet) then its days are numbered? Nepotism, destroying businesses since the dawn of civilization. If I see that (and I never have), I would tell them to fix it...immediately, not allow it to continue.

 

Then there was the Right Start fiasco which lost $80some million in IL taxpayer money, bought himself a car with taxpayer money claiming it was for "the program" but had no way to account for its use. I could keep going. So would you rather have...THAT (a guaranteed Obama hand puppet in the Senate) or the RINO Kirk who lied about his military service? I'll take the RINO. We're quick to forget history.

 

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Good point. I had forgotten who Kirk ran against, but I remembered he was worse. Much worse.

 

The real problem in IL, that most other states don't seem to have, is that the R party establishment has battered wife syndrome and can't field decent candidates or organize its way out of a paper bag.

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I seem to recall the choice presented. Either Kirk or Alexi Giannoulias...that crooked scumbag VP and senior loan officer at his mommy and daddy's Broadway Bank (God bless nepotism) which was shut down by the OCC because it couldn't raise enough capital...cost U.S. taxpayers close to $400M to eat all of the liabilities and bad loans that MB wouldn't buy up.

 

He was also one of Obama's good friends from their days at UofC, praised that pork-laden Keynesian stimulus crap that did nothing (good), also apparently was good friends with some piece of work member of a crime family in New Jersey and who ran a prostitution ring. If not for Obama's endorsement, he'd have been massacred in the primary. So really it was a lesser of two evils. Either another one of Obama's lap dogs, crooked to the bone, Machine politician who somehow *sarcasm* avoided any criminal charges stemming from his well-known loans to ongoing criminal enterprises in New Jersey and Chicago *cough*Rezko*cough* not to mention a fundraiser organized by a mob wife. It's not nor was ig ever SOP for a VP and THE senior loan officer to not at least know about big loans but personally underwrite them as well.$12M is a big chunk of change for a personal line so for him to say he had no idea he loaned that much to a mobster under FBI surveillance and another half million to Rezko, also under FBI investigation, is a load of crap. Actually I know a lot of bank CEOs (because I work with them for a living) and even they would know about a personal loan for $12M or the Rezko loan, the most senior loan officer would be forced to sign off on something that large as well. If audit a bank that has that lax of internal controls (I wonder why it went down the toilet) then its days are numbered? Nepotism, destroying businesses since the dawn of civilization. If I see that (and I never have), I would tell them to fix it...immediately, not allow it to continue.

 

Then there was the Right Start fiasco which lost $80some million in IL taxpayer money, bought himself a car with taxpayer money claiming it was for "the program" but had no way to account for its use. I could keep going. So would you rather have...THAT (a guaranteed Obama hand puppet in the Senate) or the RINO Kirk who lied about his military service? I'll take the RINO. We're quick to forget history.

 

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Not really much of a choice, was it my man???

 

"I seem to recall the choice presented. Either Kirk or Alexi Giannoulias...that crooked scumbag VP and senior loan officer at his mommy and daddy's Broadway Bank (God bless nepotism) which was shut down by the OCC because it couldn't raise enough capital...cost U.S. taxpayers close to $400M to eat all of the liabilities and bad loans that MB wouldn't buy up."

 

That was hilarious!!!

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I left that section of the ballot blank that year, or voted libertarian.

 

ALWAYS remember....Those who have the majority control the agenda. So it's not about the individual GOP politician at the present time. Not until we have a substantial majority can we throw a seat away because the candidate may be a RINO.

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So is it officially law now in Colorado?

Not "officially". But it's as good as law. There are no more real hurdles after it was passed in the Senate by one vote, with every R voting against it, and every D voting for it (except 2). The additional steps are formalities. The house has to "concur" to what they already agreed on, and the left-wing Demo governor already said how much he'd love to sign it and take away our rights.

 

So all you gun rights folks that normally vote Democrat, what say you NOW? Eyes opened yet? Still plan on voting D in the future?

If only people would notice this. Colorado used to be a "middle of the road" state, but has turned left-wing to teh extreme with all the Dems controlling the House, Senate, and Gov mansion.

Yeah, better to vote for Rs like Mark Kirk.

Kirk at least has "some" give on him. He's bad, but his opponent was much, much worse. If the election was Kirk vs Phelps, that would be a different story. But it was Kirk vs. a Chicago Dem completely owned by the machine.

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Oh I'd vote for Phelps in a heartbeat over Kirk. heck I'd vote for Phelps over most Republicans but I'm a realist, I vote for the guy who's most likely to beat the guy I REALLY cannot stand....even if I cannot stand the guy I'm voting for. I hate this 2 party system but a vote for a third party would've been a vote for Chicago.

 

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Response from Colorado's House Minority Leader. I mentioned our four nieces and nephews there. We will make sure they do not attend college in Colorado if the nanny state socialists have taken root.

 

Dear Friends,

 

Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding the Second Amendment debate currently going on at the Colorado State Capitol. I am a strong supporter of our Second Amendment and will fight against legislation that infringes on that important right.

 

In recent weeks, seven anti-gun bills have been introduced and come before us for vote in the Senate. On Friday, March 8th we heard these bills on the Senate floor for Second Reading. After a debate which lasted over 12 hours, the bills were passed and moved on to Third Reading. However, one small victory was that two of these bills, HB 1226 and SB 197, were both laid over until after the end of our session, effectively killing the bills. The final Third Reading recorded vote on the five remaining bills was held Monday, March 11. As a strong advocate of the Second Amendment, I voted no on all five bills; nevertheless, these bills passed out of the Senate. The House bills are headed to the Governor to either veto or sign, and the Senate bills will go to the House for introduction.

 

I also want to thank all of those who emailed me your testimony and heartfelt, personal stories for the Second Reading we had on Friday. I was energized by the hundreds of emails I received in the past week alone, and was able to read a number of them on the floor of the State Senate during the lengthy debate.

 

Thank you again for contacting me and for sharing your views.

 

Sincerely,

 

Senator Mark Scheffel

ASSISTANT MINORITY LEADER

mark@markscheffel.us

www.markscheffel.us

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