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#1 newshooter

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 10:47 AM

So, I'm looking to add the venerable Ruger 10/22 Takedown to my collection, and wondering if anyone can speak on the Chicago AWB in relationship to the different models. My questions are:

1) Do I have to get the non-threaded barrel model to avoid having a second "feature" as defined in the Chicago AWB for mag-fed semi-auto rifles?

2) I am most interested in the model with the factory installed Magpul backpacker stock, all which come with a threaded barrel. Am I still in compliance with the Chicago AWB if I keep the barrel in its detached state until I move outside the city limits? I know I could always get the non threaded model and add the Magpul stock later, just trying to save some money (and I prefer the shorter barrel).

Thanks in advance!

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 11:52 AM

I keep my 10/22s outside the city limits They are not going to be much help in case of home invasion. I have other weapons that are better suited for that event if and when it comes.

Not a lawyer, but maybe one of the resident J.D's will chime in.


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Posted 03 December 2019 - 12:23 PM

Maybe get the thread protector tacked into place by a smith? Not sure if this saves you any money though.



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Posted 03 December 2019 - 01:51 PM

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 02:04 PM



I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.

 

 

Like this? :)

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 03:52 PM

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.

 
 
Like this? :)
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A 22 with a bunch of stuff tacked on is still a 22 :D (let's not even start about how any 22 could be considered an assault weapon...)

I'll still be throwing the Magpul x-22 stock on it, though. That thing is crazy cool. Also doing the Nikon Tactical Rimfire scope on raised scope rings (so iron sights still work) with a scope rail to add a micro red dot. That way I have all the use cases covered if the world ends and my 22 has to feed me.

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 03:59 PM

You can always sell the factory stock. Might recover some of the investment on the Magpul stock that way.

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:59 PM

 



I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.

 

 

Like this? :)

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Where's the shoulder thing that goes up?



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Posted 04 December 2019 - 11:29 PM

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.


The threads make it an assault weapon?
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Posted 05 December 2019 - 02:01 PM

 

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.


The threads make it an assault weapon?

 

According to Chicago's idiotic AWB, yes. 

 

2. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. a folding or telescoping stock;
b. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
c. a bayonet mount;
d. a flash suppressor or barrel having a threaded muzzle; or
e. a grenade launcher.

 

Thats for all the rifle, or rifle 'types' not expressly listed (like AR, AK varients, Mini-14 by name, etc.)


Edited by cybermgk, 05 December 2019 - 02:04 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 07:09 PM

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.


The threads make it an assault weapon?
According to Chicago's idiotic AWB, yes. 
 
2. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. a folding or telescoping stock;
b. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
c. a bayonet mount;
d. a flash suppressor or barrel having a threaded muzzle; or
e. a grenade launcher.
 
Thats for all the rifle, or rifle 'types' not expressly listed (like AR, AK varients, Mini-14 by name, etc.)

They have made almost all rifles illegal.
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Posted 05 December 2019 - 07:23 PM


 

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.


The threads make it an assault weapon?
 


According to Chicago's idiotic AWB, yes. 
 
2. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. a folding or telescoping stock;
b. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
c. a bayonet mount;
d. a flash suppressor or barrel having a threaded muzzle; or
e. a grenade launcher.
 
Thats for all the rifle, or rifle 'types' not expressly listed (like AR, AK varients, Mini-14 by name, etc.)

Do you have a link to the ordinance?
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Posted 05 December 2019 - 07:45 PM

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.


The threads make it an assault weapon?
 


According to Chicago's idiotic AWB, yes. 
 
2. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. a folding or telescoping stock;
b. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
c. a bayonet mount;
d. a flash suppressor or barrel having a threaded muzzle; or
e. a grenade launcher.
 
Thats for all the rifle, or rifle 'types' not expressly listed (like AR, AK varients, Mini-14 by name, etc.)

Do you have a link to the ordinance?
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Posted 05 December 2019 - 08:10 PM

Do you have a link to the ordinance?


Chicago maintains an online version of city ordinances at American Legal Publishing
Chapter 8-20: Weapons

8-20-010 Definitions.

For purposes of this chapter the following terms shall apply:

"The Act" means the Illinois Firearm Owners Identification Card Act, 430 ILCS 65/1 et seq., as amended.

"Ammunition" means any self-contained cartridge or shotgun shell, by whatever name known, which is designed to be used or adaptable to use in a firearm; excluding however:

(1) any ammunition used exclusively for line-throwing, signaling, or safety and required or recommended by the United States Coast Guard; or

(2) any ammunition designed exclusively for use with a stud or rivet driver or other similar industrial ammunition.

"Antique firearm" has the same meaning ascribed to that term in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(16).

"Assault weapon" means any of the following, regardless of the caliber of ammunition accepted:

(a)

(1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(A) a folding, telescoping or detachable stock;

(B) a handgun grip;

(C) a forward grip;

(D) a threaded barrel;

(E) a grenade, flare or rocket launcher; or

(F) a barrel shroud.

(2) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

(3) A semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle.

(4) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory, including but not limited to a bump stock, that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun.

(5) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:

(A) a folding, telescoping or detachable stock;

(B) a handgun grip;

(C) a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds;

(D) a forward grip; or

(E) a grenade, flare or rocket launcher.

(6) A semiautomatic handgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(A) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the handgun grip;

(B) a threaded barrel;

(C) a barrel shroud; or

(D) a second handgun grip.

(7) A semiautomatic version of an automatic handgun.

(8) A semiautomatic handgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 15 rounds.

(9) A machine gun.

(10) All of the following rifles, including any copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such weapon:

(A) All AK types, including the following:

...

(B) All AR types, including the following:

...

(C) Barrett M107A1.

(D) Barrett M82A1.

(E) Beretta CX4 Storm.

(F) Calico Liberty Series.

(G) CETME Sporter.

(H) Daewoo K-1. K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100. and AR 110PC.

(I) Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000.

(J) Feather Industries AT-9.

(K) Galil Model AR and Model ARM.

(L) Hi-Point Carbine.

(M) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, and HK USC.

(N) Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU-16, and RFB.

(O) SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551.

(P) Springfield Armory SAR-48.

(Q) Steyr AUG.

(R) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M-14/20CF.

(S) All Thompson rifles, including the following:

...

(T) UMAREX UZI Rifle.

(U) UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine.

(V) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78.

(W) Vector Arms UZI Type.

(X) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.

(Y) Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

(11) All of the following handguns, including any copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such weapon:

(A) All AK-47 types, including the following:

...

(B) All AR-15 types, including the following:

...

(C) Calico Liberty handguns.

(D) PSA SA58 PKP FAL handgun.

(E) Encom MP-9 and MP-45.

(F) Heckler & Koch model SP-89 handgun.

(G) Intratec AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9, and TEC-DC9.

(H) Kel-Tec PLR 16 handgun.

(I) The following MAC types:

...

(J) Sig Sauer P556 handgun.

(K) Sites Spectre.

(L) All Thompson types, including the following:

...

(M) All UZI types, including Micro-UZI.

(12) All of the following shotguns, including any copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such weapon:

(A) Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12.

(B) All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following:

...

(C) Streetsweeper.

(D) Striker 12.

(13) All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including TNW M2HB.

(14) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (1) through (13) can be assembled.

(15) The frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described in subparagraph (1), (2), (5), (9), (10), (12), (13), or (18).

(16) A sawed-off shotgun.

(17) A short-barrel rifle.

(18) A .50 caliber rifle.

(b) An "assault weapon" shall not include any firearm that:

(1) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action:

(2) has been rendered permanently inoperable. "Permanently inoperable" means a firearm which is incapable of discharging a projectile by means of an explosive and incapable of being restored to a firing condition; or

(3) is an antique firearm.

(c) For purposes of this definition of "assault weapon" the following terms apply:

(1) "barrel shroud" means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel. The term does not include (i) a slide that partially or completely encloses the barrel; or (ii) an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not completely or substantially encircle the barrel.

(2) "detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed from a firearm without disassembly of the firearm action.

(3) "fixed magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that is permanently fixed to the firearm in such a manner that it cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm.

(4) "folding, telescoping, or detachable stock" means a stock that folds, telescopes, detaches or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise to enhance the concealability, of a firearm.

(5) "forward grip" means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a handgun grip.

(6) "rocket" means any simple or complex tubelike device containing combustibles that on being ignited liberate gases whose action propels the device through the air and has a propellant charge of not more than 4 ounces.

(7) "grenade, flare or rocket launcher" means an attachment for use on a firearm that is designed to propel a grenade, flare, rocket, or other similar device.

(8) "handgun grip" means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other part, feature or characteristic that can function as a grip.

(9) "threaded barrel" means a feature or characteristic that is designed to allow for the attachment of a device such as a firearm silencer or a flash suppressor.

(10) "belt-fed semiautomatic firearm" means any repeating firearm that:

(i) utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round;

(ii) requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge; and

(iii) has the capacity to accept a belt ammunition feeding device.

(11) ".50 caliber rifle" means a centerfire rifle capable of firing a .50 caliber cartridge. The term does not include any antique firearm, any shotgun including a shotgun that has a rifle barrel, or any muzzle-loader which uses black powder for hunting or historical re-enactments.

(12) ".50 caliber cartridge" means a fixed cartridge in .50 BMG caliber, either by designation or actual measurement, that is capable of being fired from a centerfire rifle. ".50 caliber cartridge" does not include any memorabilia or display item that is filled with a permanent inert substance or that is otherwise permanently altered in a manner that prevents ready modification for use as live ammunition or shotgun ammunition with a caliber measurement that is equal to or greater than .50 caliber.

...
8-20-075 Possession of assault weapons.

(a) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess an assault weapon.

(b) This section shall not apply to corrections officers, members of the armed forces of the United States, or the organized militia of this or any other state, and peace officers, to the extent that any such person is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess assault weapons, and is acting within the scope of his duties, or to any person while engaged in the manufacturing, transportation or sale of assault weapons to people authorized to possess them under this section.

(c) Notwithstanding subsection (a):

(1) Any person who lawfully possesses a firearm that on the effective date of this section became prohibited as being an assault weapon has 60 days after the effective date of this section to legally dispose of, or remove from the city, the assault weapon.

(2) Any person who is a qualified retired law enforcement officer, as that term is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 926C, and who lawfully possessed a duty-related assault weapon at the time of separation from active duty in law enforcement, shall legally dispose of, or remove from the city, the assault weapon within 60 days of such separation.

(d) Any assault weapon carried, possessed, displayed, sold or otherwise transferred in violation of this section is hereby declared to be contraband and shall be seized by and forfeited to the city.

...


Edited by Euler, 05 December 2019 - 08:24 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 11:54 AM

[quote name="357" post="1240817" timestamp="1575594542"][quote name="cybermgk" post="1240788" timestamp="1575576074"][quote name="357" post="1240738" timestamp="1575523792"]
[quote name="newshooter" post="1240549" timestamp="1575402665"]

I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.[/quote]

The threads make it an assault weapon?[/quote]
According to Chicago's idiotic AWB, yes. 
 
2. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. a folding or telescoping stock;
b. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
c. a bayonet mount;
d. a flash suppressor or barrel having a threaded muzzle; or
e. a grenade launcher.
 
Thats for all the rifle, or rifle 'types' not expressly listed (like AR, AK varients, Mini-14 by name, etc.)[/quote]

They have made almost all rifles illegal.[/quote]


Pretty much. Though, strangely if you go to the other end of the spectrum and get a bolt or lever action, you can stick anything you want on the rifle since they don't call out anything there.

Edited by newshooter, 06 December 2019 - 11:56 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2019 - 03:45 PM

There is a pistol version.



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Posted 07 December 2019 - 11:40 AM

[quote name="newshooter" post="1240881" timestamp="1575654893"][quote name="357" post="1240817" timestamp="1575594542"][quote name="cybermgk" post="1240788" timestamp="1575576074"][quote name="357" post="1240738" timestamp="1575523792"]
[quote name="newshooter" post="1240549" timestamp="1575402665"]
I'm going to play it safe and have my FFL order the non-threaded model. That model also comes with the carrying bag where the magpul version doesn't, so it mostly balances out when I buy the aftermarket furniture. It'll end up being a little more than if I went with the magpul version, but at least I can have some peace of mind.[/quote]

The threads make it an assault weapon?[/quote]
According to Chicago's idiotic AWB, yes. 
 
2. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. a folding or telescoping stock;
b. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
c. a bayonet mount;
d. a flash suppressor or barrel having a threaded muzzle; or
e. a grenade launcher.
 
Thats for all the rifle, or rifle 'types' not expressly listed (like AR, AK varients, Mini-14 by name, etc.)[/quote]

They have made almost all rifles illegal.[/quote]


Pretty much. Though, strangely if you go to the other end of the spectrum and get a bolt or lever action, you can stick anything you want on the rifle since they don't call out anything there.[/quote]

They're safe for now because not suitable for self defense.
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