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#31 Mick G

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:34 AM

Do not be surprised if that $3.53 "Convenience" fee goes up to around $5+ in the next year and a half. Illinois has a history of doing that. They did it with the license plate stickers if you wanted to do an online renewal and you used to be able to get 1 copy of a accident report for free, usually you could pick it up at the PD within a couple of days. Now it's all online and it's a $5 service fee and a $1 "Convenience" fee so $6. The same with the FOID, a $1 "Convenience" fee.

 

As pointed out for the fingerprint thing, I really don't get that at all. In five years usually your shoe size doesn't change, if your fingerprints have, you are not human. I just don't get the logic with the whole extra 30 day thing. "Yeah I robbed that bank, leaving my fingerprints all over the place BUT I had a valid CCL. Is that a problem?"

 

Basically tack on another $50 to $60 if you want your renewal in a reasonable timeframe. Figure $155 + $50 + the cost of the class which cgs is going to try and keep at $30. That's $235ish but some people will pay more for prints and even though cgs has common decency, don't be surprised if the 3 hour refresher course could cost $75 somewhere else. Now we are at closer to $300.

For a 5 year renewal!

 

You have to love Illinois and the rules they made to exercise a RIGHT. I have an idea. Why not synch the FOID and CCL together with both having a 10 year expiration. Charge $200 for both. If you just want a FOID $10. Basically if you do something to lose one, chances are you will lose the other. Actually forget about that, that makes too much sense and Illinois is not about to start using common sense.

 

This week in Springfield proves that.


Edited by Mick G, 25 October 2017 - 08:34 AM.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:43 AM

Just reading this,..

do they think your fingerprints change every 5 years?

 

If your fingerprints change every 5 years,what good is keeping track of them.

 

Please, read the law carefully as quoted earlier in this thread.  Fingerprints are NOT required in the initial OR the renewal process.  If you choose to submit fingerprints, then the ISP is tasked with getting your FCCL to you 30 days sooner.  If a person did NOT file fingerprints initially, but would like to file them upon renewal to hasten the process, then she/he can.  If you filed fingerprints initially, but do not file them upon renewal, it appears that they are still held to the 90 day period.  


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:59 AM

 

Just reading this,..

do they think your fingerprints change every 5 years?

 

If your fingerprints change every 5 years,what good is keeping track of them.

 

Please, read the law carefully as quoted earlier in this thread.  Fingerprints are NOT required in the initial OR the renewal process.  If you choose to submit fingerprints, then the ISP is tasked with getting your FCCL to you 30 days sooner.  If a person did NOT file fingerprints initially, but would like to file them upon renewal to hasten the process, then she/he can.  If you filed fingerprints initially, but do not file them upon renewal, it appears that they are still held to the 90 day period.  

 

 

Sorry about that, I read the law so that saves the $50 or $60. I still think the charges are a bit excessive for a renewal.



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 09:29 AM

Just reading this,..
do they think your fingerprints change every 5 years?
 
If your fingerprints change every 5 years,what good is keeping track of them.

 
Please, read the law carefully as quoted earlier in this thread.  Fingerprints are NOT required in the initial OR the renewal process.  If you choose to submit fingerprints, then the ISP is tasked with getting your FCCL to you 30 days sooner.  If a person did NOT file fingerprints initially, but would like to file them upon renewal to hasten the process, then she/he can.  If you filed fingerprints initially, but do not file them upon renewal, it appears that they are still held to the 90 day period.
 
Sorry about that, I read the law so that saves the $50 or $60. I still think the charges are a bit excessive for a renewal.
and of course, there are bills filed that would make prints mandatory even for FOID although it has not gone anywhere yet this session.
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Posted 25 October 2017 - 09:59 AM

 

 

Just reading this,..

do they think your fingerprints change every 5 years?

 

If your fingerprints change every 5 years,what good is keeping track of them.

 

Please, read the law carefully as quoted earlier in this thread.  Fingerprints are NOT required in the initial OR the renewal process.  If you choose to submit fingerprints, then the ISP is tasked with getting your FCCL to you 30 days sooner.  If a person did NOT file fingerprints initially, but would like to file them upon renewal to hasten the process, then she/he can.  If you filed fingerprints initially, but do not file them upon renewal, it appears that they are still held to the 90 day period.  

 

 

Sorry about that, I read the law so that saves the $50 or $60. I still think the charges are a bit excessive for a renewal.

 

 

We all would agree that the fees are high.  When you take into account that it is a 5 year license, then the annual fee of $30 is not excessive.  Consider that $150 in Indiana gets you a Lifetime license with no renewal fee ever, then it becomes excessive.  There are moves to make the fee lower.  However, you'd agree that the "political climate" is not conducive right now to make gun laws less restrictive.  The time will come.


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:21 PM

OK, then I won't even mention non-resident fees. :)
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:56 PM

OK, then I won't even mention non-resident fees. :)

 

Even worse is that most non-residents can't apply even if they don't mind the high fees.  Not many people from AR, MS, TX & VA travel to Illinois enough to justify it.  And those in the other 45 states are completely out of luck...


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:58 PM

 

Does the renewal training have to be certified by ISP like the original training?

Yes. Every class needs the ISP approval. That is generally not a problem though, you just need to submit a request to the ISP for approval.

 

For those instructors already teaching, it does not appear you need a separate 3 hour curriculum approved.  Looks like the ISP already granted the 3 hour instruction from here:

 

https://ispfsb.com/P...riculumList.pdf


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:20 PM

Interesting. I see my instructor is only on that list for 16/8 vs the bulk seeming to be 16/8 and 3 hour course.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:05 AM

Interesting. I see my instructor is only on that list for 16/8 vs the bulk seeming to be 16/8 and 3 hour course.

Yep, I noticed a few where the 3 hour is missing. 

 

I have a list of questions that I know we are going to be asked as instructors and will need answers.  I have real concern if the ISP or JCAR or any other government body will actually gives us straight-forward answers before the first set of renewals start happening in early 2019.  I'm looking for actual answers that can be backed up.  Here are my questions:

 

-Will applicants go through same background checks as when they originally got their CCL?

-Need a new picture to upload for application?

-Different certificate for renewal, option line to the existing one?

-3 Hour curriculum need to be approved with new ccc# number designation or use other/current one?


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:17 AM

 

 

Does the renewal training have to be certified by ISP like the original training?

Yes. Every class needs the ISP approval. That is generally not a problem though, you just need to submit a request to the ISP for approval.

 

For those instructors already teaching, it does not appear you need a separate 3 hour curriculum approved.  Looks like the ISP already granted the 3 hour instruction from here:

 

https://ispfsb.com/P...riculumList.pdf

 

When you apply for your curriculum, there is a check box at the top of the application for 8/16 hour  and another check box for 3 hour.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:32 AM

Interesting. I see my instructor is only on that list for 16/8 vs the bulk seeming to be 16/8 and 3 hour course.

Yep, I noticed a few where the 3 hour is missing. 
 
I have a list of questions that I know we are going to be asked as instructors and will need answers.  I have real concern if the ISP or JCAR or any other government body will actually gives us straight-forward answers before the first set of renewals start happening in early 2019.  I'm looking for actual answers that can be backed up.  Here are my questions:
 
-Will applicants go through same background checks as when they originally got their CCL?[/size]
-Need a new picture to upload for application?[/size]
-Different certificate for renewal, option line to the existing one?[/size]
-3 Hour curriculum need to be approved with new ccc# number designation or use other/current one?[/size]

Here’s a question for ya. If you are a certified instructor what is the process?

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:15 AM

 

 

Interesting. I see my instructor is only on that list for 16/8 vs the bulk seeming to be 16/8 and 3 hour course.

Yep, I noticed a few where the 3 hour is missing. 
 
I have a list of questions that I know we are going to be asked as instructors and will need answers.  I have real concern if the ISP or JCAR or any other government body will actually gives us straight-forward answers before the first set of renewals start happening in early 2019.  I'm looking for actual answers that can be backed up.  Here are my questions:
 
-Will applicants go through same background checks as when they originally got their CCL?[/size]
-Need a new picture to upload for application?[/size]
-Different certificate for renewal, option line to the existing one?[/size]
-3 Hour curriculum need to be approved with new ccc# number designation or use other/current one?[/size]

Here’s a question for ya. If you are a certified instructor what is the process?

 

Exactly.  If you log into your CCL/FOID account, under "expiration" for instructor credentials, it says "n/a".  Does that mean we don't expire?


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:57 AM

Here are my questions:
-Will applicants go through same background checks as when they originally got their CCL?

And will the time for renewals be another 90/120 days?

Will the ISP be prepared for the volume of renewals coming in at one time when those initial licenses are up for renewal along with the regular volume for new apps, address changes and lost cards they currently receive?

Edited by InterestedBystander, 11 January 2018 - 09:59 AM.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:16 AM

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Interesting. I see my instructor is only on that list for 16/8 vs the bulk seeming to be 16/8 and 3 hour course.
[/quote]
Yep, I noticed a few where the 3 hour is missing. 
 I have a list of questions that I know we are going to be asked as instructors and will need answers.  I have real concern if the ISP or JCAR or any other government body will actually gives us straight-forward answers before the first set of renewals start happening in early 2019.  I'm looking for actual answers that can be backed up.  Here are my questions:
 -Will applicants go through same background checks as when they originally got their CCL?[/size] -Need a new picture to upload for application?[/size] -Different certificate for renewal, option line to the existing one?[/size] -3 Hour curriculum need to be approved with new ccc# number designation or use other/current one?[/size] [/quote]

Here’s a question for ya. If you are a certified instructor what is the process?
[/quote]
Exactly.  If you log into your CCL/FOID account, under "expiration" for instructor credentials, it says "n/a".  Does that mean we don't expire?[/quote]

That is my understanding but it was not my question.
I was wondering about the renewal process for my CCL.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:21 AM



Interesting. I see my instructor is only on that list for 16/8 vs the bulk seeming to be 16/8 and 3 hour course.


Yep, I noticed a few where the 3 hour is missing. 
 I have a list of questions that I know we are going to be asked as instructors and will need answers.  I have real concern if the ISP or JCAR or any other government body will actually gives us straight-forward answers before the first set of renewals start happening in early 2019.  I'm looking for actual answers that can be backed up.  Here are my questions:
 -Will applicants go through same background checks as when they originally got their CCL?[/size] -Need a new picture to upload for application?[/size] -Different certificate for renewal, option line to the existing one?[/size] -3 Hour curriculum need to be approved with new ccc# number designation or use other/current one?[/size]



Here’s a question for ya. If you are a certified instructor what is the process?


Exactly.  If you log into your CCL/FOID account, under "expiration" for instructor credentials, it says "n/a".  Does that mean we don't expire?


That is my understanding but it was not my question.
I was wondering about the renewal process for my CCL.

Not really sure.  When I logged into my ISP FOID/CCL account and I try and click on "Renew", it's grayed out and the button is not active.  


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:25 AM

Renewal process for instructors should be the same as everyone else, except that we are not required to provide documentation of having taken renewal training. 

 

Otherwise, the same application, background check and waiting period.

 

At least that's the way I read things.

 

 

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:45 PM

Following for info. Does the isp plan on sending our renewal notices? I seem to remember no, but I could not find the answer. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:53 PM

 

The nation's highest renewal fee.

 

 

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