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Also given this, what's the likelihood of scary bills like this coming back into play (lots of potential for abuse in this one)?

 

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=1664&GAID=14&GA=100&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=102163&SessionID=91

We're not seeing any immediate movement on that bill (HB1664).

 

 

Is there anything posted anywhere of how the General Assembly and Governor operate both post-election and post-inauguration? For example, when does the "100th General Assembly" end and the "101st General Assembly" start, and do bills need to be completely reintroduced when that happens?

 

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Didn't have to wait long for part of it.

 

Subject: Pritzker Transition Committee / SAFE Act Recap

 

Dear Illinois Partners,

 

Thank you for your continued financial support of Illinois Partners for Human Service.

 

 

After winning yesterday's gubernatorial election by 15 points, today, Governor-elect JB Pritzker announced his Transition Committee and his administration's Chief of Staff. Serving as his Transition Committee Chair is Lieutenant Governor-elect Juliana Stratton and campaign manager Anne Caprara will serve as chief of staff.

 

Transition Committee Members

 

Chair, Lieutenant Governor-elect Juliana Stratton

Co-Chair, Barbara Bowman

Co-Chair, Mike Carrigan

Co-Chair, Former Governor Jim Edgar

Co-Chair, Sol Flores

Co-Chair, Marty Nesbitt

 

Transition Committee Staff

 

Chief of Staff, Anne Caprara

Transition Director, Nikki Budzinski

Deputy Transition Director, Sean Rapelyea

Senior Advisor, Former Comptroller Dan Hynes

Senior Advisor, State Representative Christian Mitchell

Senior Advisor, Michael Sacks

Counsel, Jesse Ruiz

 

SAFE Act Recap

 

Thank you for joining Monday's call with Paula Wolff, Director of the Illinois Justice Project, on the SAFE Act. Below is a recap of the discussion.

 

Illinois Partners Statewide Call-In Highlights:

 

What is the SAFE Act?

 

The SAFE Act was drafted by more than 40 organizations to address the underlying causes of violence across the state through a public health approach.

The Act would re-prioritize funding to communities hit hardest by violence through the following process: Establish a to-be-determined number of communities as SAFE Zones by identifying the census tracts with the highest concentrations of violence and number of people returning from the Department of Corrections. Establish local Economic Growth Councils in these communities to create tailored plans to address violence. The process for the creation of these boards will be decided by the state level board but the boards are expected to reflect local interests and values.Create a state level board comprised of the Governor, legislators, state agency directors, local public officials, service providers and recipients to serve as the oversight body, including reviewing and assisting with the implementation of community-created plans.In the first two years, re-prioritize at least 5% of existing departments' funding to SAFE Zone communities for the solutions identified by the local boards, and after year two, re-prioritize between 5-20%. This re-prioritization will take place as part of the appropriation process.

 

If the Act passes, how can human service organizations get involved?

 

Human service providers will likely be a part of the local Economic Growth Councils tasked with creating community plans to address violence. Human service providers will need to help monitor the implementation process. If it passes, Illinois Partners will host another statewide call-in to further discuss implementation and how human service providers can get involved.

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http://www.southernillinoisnow.com/2018/11/07/pritzker-wins-over-voters-worried-about-budget-corruption/

"Pritzker said his first task will be to present a balanced budget plan that relies on revenue from taxing legalized recreational marijuana, and possibly on legalized sports betting and expanded casino gambling."

 

So, we will be losing our rights while others are have fun getting high while gambling. :frantics:

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The governor will be inaugurated 1/14/2019, and the 101st GA will start 1/9/2019. Bills will need to be reintroduced for the 101st GA.

Thanks, I suppose this is (maybe?) a relief?

 

Didn't have to wait long for part of it.

Subject: Pritzker Transition Committee / SAFE Act Recap

Dear Illinois Partners,

Thank you for your continued financial support of Illinois Partners for Human Service.

 

After winning yesterday's gubernatorial election by 15 points, today, Governor-elect JB Pritzker announced his Transition Committee and his administration's Chief of Staff. Serving as his Transition Committee Chair is Lieutenant Governor-elect Juliana Stratton and campaign manager Anne Caprara will serve as chief of staff.

Transition Committee Members

Chair, Lieutenant Governor-elect Juliana Stratton

Co-Chair, Barbara Bowman

Co-Chair, Mike Carrigan

Co-Chair, Former Governor Jim Edgar

Co-Chair, Sol Flores

Co-Chair, Marty Nesbitt

Transition Committee Staff

Chief of Staff, Anne Caprara

Transition Director, Nikki Budzinski

Deputy Transition Director, Sean Rapelyea

Senior Advisor, Former Comptroller Dan Hynes

Senior Advisor, State Representative Christian Mitchell

Senior Advisor, Michael Sacks

Counsel, Jesse Ruiz

SAFE Act Recap

Thank you for joining Monday's call with Paula Wolff, Director of the Illinois Justice Project, on the SAFE Act. Below is a recap of the discussion.

Illinois Partners Statewide Call-In Highlights:

What is the SAFE Act?

The SAFE Act was drafted by more than 40 organizations to address the underlying causes of violence across the state through a public health approach.

The Act would re-prioritize funding to communities hit hardest by violence through the following process: Establish a to-be-determined number of communities as SAFE Zones by identifying the census tracts with the highest concentrations of violence and number of people returning from the Department of Corrections. Establish local Economic Growth Councils in these communities to create tailored plans to address violence. The process for the creation of these boards will be decided by the state level board but the boards are expected to reflect local interests and values.Create a state level board comprised of the Governor, legislators, state agency directors, local public officials, service providers and recipients to serve as the oversight body, including reviewing and assisting with the implementation of community-created plans.In the first two years, re-prioritize at least 5% of existing departments' funding to SAFE Zone communities for the solutions identified by the local boards, and after year two, re-prioritize between 5-20%. This re-prioritization will take place as part of the appropriation process.

If the Act passes, how can human service organizations get involved?

Human service providers will likely be a part of the local Economic Growth Councils tasked with creating community plans to address violence. Human service providers will need to help monitor the implementation process. If it passes, Illinois Partners will host another statewide call-in to further discuss implementation and how human service providers can get involved.

How closely would this be related to the SAFE act of NY and NJ?

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CHICAGO (KMOV.com) - According to a report, incoming Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker wants to legalize recreational marijuana as soon as he takes office.





Pritzker says he wants to legalize, tax and regulate marijuana, something his opponent in the election, outgoing Gov. Bruce Rauner, stated he opposes. Pritzker easily defeated Rauner on Tuesday.





Pritzker also hinted that he wants to look at expunging arrest records for those convicted of marijuana-related crimes.


Medical marijuana is legal in Illinois. Voters in Missouri legalized medical marijuana on Tuesday.


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One of the things he has seriously discussed that has not been mentioned so far is instituting a "purchase tax" on both new and used firearms from either dealers or private parties that is equal to the purchase price of the firearm. In addition, a tax of $1.00 per round on all ammunition. This discussion came up privately with anti gun groups about what he might be able to accomplish given the change in the SCOTUS composition. He indicated this was an excellent idea that he was behind all the way.

 

$100 per box tax on .22LR ammo would quickly curtail new shooters coming out as it would for current and regular shooters. Very few trap shooters could afford $120-$140.00 per week just to shoot socially which is where the cost of shells and taxes would put it before paying for the clays.

 

Which would end ownership in practice.

 

While the tax on gun purchases would be an issue, the ammo tax is a non starter. There is nothing to stop Illinois residents from buying ammo out of state. I personally haven't purchased any ammo in Illinois in 5 or 6 years. All my ammo comes from Wisconsin. All the ammo tax will do is create a black market for ammo.

 

Some years ago I had a coworker who lived on the north side of Chicago, didn't have a car and smoked like a chimney. I used to get him cartons of cigarettes when I went to Wisconsin so he didn't have to pay the high Chicago/Cook cigarette tax. I can see the same thing happening with ammo.

 

 

I knew that JB could compel internet operators to collect the taxes but perhaps not always successfully. However, I also remember when the State of Illinois came after my mother for thousands of dollars in uncollected taxes because she had been buying cigarettes via the internet to avoid taxes. I doubt that most internet sellers would take that chance today.

 

As far as running to a nearby state to buy ammo, we need to look at California's newer laws that prohibit Californians from doing just that. I'm no expert on California's laws but apparently even if you come from out of state to hunt, you are not allowed to bring more than 50 rounds of ammo with you. California also requires a special license to purchase ammo and there are limits on how much ammo you can even buy.

 

I can't believe that JB and the Chicago Democrats will overlook this as they move forward with their anti gun agenda.

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I knew that JB could compel internet operators to collect the taxes but perhaps not always successfully. However, I also remember when the State of Illinois came after my mother for thousands of dollars in uncollected taxes because she had been buying cigarettes via the internet to avoid taxes. I doubt that most internet sellers would take that chance today.

 

As far as running to a nearby state to buy ammo, we need to look at California's newer laws that prohibit Californians from doing just that. I'm no expert on California's laws but apparently even if you come from out of state to hunt, you are not allowed to bring more than 50 rounds of ammo with you. California also requires a special license to purchase ammo and there are limits on how much ammo you can even buy.

 

I can't believe that JB and the Chicago Democrats will overlook this as they move forward with their anti gun agenda.

 

How did the state find out what your mother was buying over the internet?

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I knew that JB could compel internet operators to collect the taxes but perhaps not always successfully. However, I also remember when the State of Illinois came after my mother for thousands of dollars in uncollected taxes because she had been buying cigarettes via the internet to avoid taxes. I doubt that most internet sellers would take that chance today.

 

As far as running to a nearby state to buy ammo, we need to look at California's newer laws that prohibit Californians from doing just that. I'm no expert on California's laws but apparently even if you come from out of state to hunt, you are not allowed to bring more than 50 rounds of ammo with you. California also requires a special license to purchase ammo and there are limits on how much ammo you can even buy.

 

I can't believe that JB and the Chicago Democrats will overlook this as they move forward with their anti gun agenda.

 

How did the state find out what your mother was buying over the internet?

 

 

Illinois already has laws on who buys ammo, it's called the FOID Act.

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I knew that JB could compel internet operators to collect the taxes but perhaps not always successfully. However, I also remember when the State of Illinois came after my mother for thousands of dollars in uncollected taxes because she had been buying cigarettes via the internet to avoid taxes. I doubt that most internet sellers would take that chance today.

I placed an online order with MarineDepot yesterday for supplies for my reef tank and wasn't charged any sales tax.

 

 

As far as running to a nearby state to buy ammo, we need to look at California's newer laws that prohibit Californians from doing just that. I'm no expert on California's laws but apparently even if you come from out of state to hunt, you are not allowed to bring more than 50 rounds of ammo with you. California also requires a special license to purchase ammo and there are limits on how much ammo you can even buy.

I doubt stores in Wisconsin will care about any Illinois ammo license. In all the years I've purchased ammo in Wisconsin no one has ever asked to see my FOID. How will the ISP know you are bringing back more than 50 rounds of ammo? Are they going to dump out every car coming into the state on every road into the state looking for more than 50 rounds of ammo? How do they know you purchased the ammo on the current trip and didn't bring it with you when you left? When I go to my cottage I may take 500 rounds with me in case it rains and I want to kill time at the range. What if I don't shoot at least 450 of the 500 rounds, I can't bring the unused ammo back with me? This whole ammo tax/limit nonsense will be vary hard to enforce.

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While it is a crime to buy a gun for someone who is not eligible to own a gun, as far as I know there is no law covering the buying of ammo for others. Should it become financially unfeasible to buy ammo in IL, I have no doubt that there will be an organized effort at my gun club for some members to travel out of state as needed and fill an ammo order for all who are interested. The biggest downside of a huge ammo tax would be the negative impact upon licensed gun dealers in IL, which might be the effect that the anti-gunners are really after. It sure won't bring in much revenue if no one is buying.

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I knew that JB could compel internet operators to collect the taxes but perhaps not always successfully. However, I also remember when the State of Illinois came after my mother for thousands of dollars in uncollected taxes because she had been buying cigarettes via the internet to avoid taxes. I doubt that most internet sellers would take that chance today.

 

As far as running to a nearby state to buy ammo, we need to look at California's newer laws that prohibit Californians from doing just that. I'm no expert on California's laws but apparently even if you come from out of state to hunt, you are not allowed to bring more than 50 rounds of ammo with you. California also requires a special license to purchase ammo and there are limits on how much ammo you can even buy.

 

I can't believe that JB and the Chicago Democrats will overlook this as they move forward with their anti gun agenda.

 

How did the state find out what your mother was buying over the internet?

 

 

They sued internet providers in federal court and part of the settlement was the providers had to supply their customer lists and addresses.

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I knew that JB could compel internet operators to collect the taxes but perhaps not always successfully. However, I also remember when the State of Illinois came after my mother for thousands of dollars in uncollected taxes because she had been buying cigarettes via the internet to avoid taxes. I doubt that most internet sellers would take that chance today.

I placed an online order with MarineDepot yesterday for supplies for my reef tank and wasn't charged any sales tax.

 

 

As far as running to a nearby state to buy ammo, we need to look at California's newer laws that prohibit Californians from doing just that. I'm no expert on California's laws but apparently even if you come from out of state to hunt, you are not allowed to bring more than 50 rounds of ammo with you. California also requires a special license to purchase ammo and there are limits on how much ammo you can even buy.

I doubt stores in Wisconsin will care about any Illinois ammo license. In all the years I've purchased ammo in Wisconsin no one has ever asked to see my FOID. How will the ISP know you are bringing back more than 50 rounds of ammo? Are they going to dump out every car coming into the state on every road into the state looking for more than 50 rounds of ammo? How do they know you purchased the ammo on the current trip and didn't bring it with you when you left? When I go to my cottage I may take 500 rounds with me in case it rains and I want to kill time at the range. What if I don't shoot at least 450 of the 500 rounds, I can't bring the unused ammo back with me? This whole ammo tax/limit nonsense will be vary hard to enforce.

 

 

Frankly, I don't know how California is doing it. If you go to the California gun boards you might learn more. What I can tell you is the gun owners are taking it seriously. Maybe the ammo packages have tax stamps on them like tobacco and liquor?

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I knew that JB could compel internet operators to collect the taxes but perhaps not always successfully. However, I also remember when the State of Illinois came after my mother for thousands of dollars in uncollected taxes because she had been buying cigarettes via the internet to avoid taxes. I doubt that most internet sellers would take that chance today.

 

As far as running to a nearby state to buy ammo, we need to look at California's newer laws that prohibit Californians from doing just that. I'm no expert on California's laws but apparently even if you come from out of state to hunt, you are not allowed to bring more than 50 rounds of ammo with you. California also requires a special license to purchase ammo and there are limits on how much ammo you can even buy.

 

I can't believe that JB and the Chicago Democrats will overlook this as they move forward with their anti gun agenda.

 

How did the state find out what your mother was buying over the internet?

 

 

They sued internet providers in federal court and part of the settlement was the providers had to supply their customer lists and addresses.

 

That is some Gestapo type stuff right there.....

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They sued internet providers in federal court and part of the settlement was the providers had to supply their customer lists and addresses.

 

 

Are you sure of that? The ISP would have no records of what was or wasn't sold the most they would have is that you visited a site on this day/time that is not proof of a sale or transaction, so the information an ISP could provide would never rise to the level of proof of purchase in court.

 

More likely the seller was sued for tax evasion and they turned over all their sales records, this happened to a family member of mine back in the early 80s before the Internet when he was buying smokes from one of those small classified ads in the back of magazines,, the company he bought from was sued for tax evasion and turned over all their sales records that obviously had a name and address associated with them.

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I doubt stores in Wisconsin will care about any Illinois ammo license. In all the years I've purchased ammo in Wisconsin no one has ever asked to see my FOID.

 

In my experience, many border stores check for a FOID when buying ammo if they suspect you are from IL or if you tell them you are, but even then they only casually ask aka you just need to flash it, the further you get into Wisconsin most stores I have been in laugh (and I mean literally laugh) about showing FOIDs, the only ones that regularly ask are big box chain stores like Walmart. At least this has been my experience.

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During the Great Ammo Shortages under the Obama dictatorship I found I was buying ammo whenever and wherever I could. Now I go to the range less and less often, and my stash is probably enough to last me the rest of my life, and then some. Since I am not in the market for buying more guns, some of these actions under Pritzker will have little effect on me personally, but I still oppose them as unwarranted and ever increasing restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights. But if voters could elect Pritzker, it tells me that Illinois is beyond any sane chance of improvement, and we are likely to be going down the toilet bowl to join NY, NJ, MD and HI as among the worst of the worst places to be a gun owner. I find I am sort of hoping that a couple of my grown kids will get good out of state job offers so that I can convince my wife that there is nothing holding us here and that it is time to leave for friendlier pastures.

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They sued internet providers in federal court and part of the settlement was the providers had to supply their customer lists and addresses.

 

 

Are you sure of that? The ISP would have no records of what was or wasn't sold the most they would have is that you visited a site on this day/time that is not proof of a sale or transaction, so the information an ISP could provide would never rise to the level of proof of purchase in court.

 

More likely the seller was sued for tax evasion and they turned over all their sales records, this happened to a family member of mine back in the early 80s before the Internet when he was buying smokes from one of those small classified ads in the back of magazines,, the company he bought from was sued for tax evasion and turned over all their sales records that obviously had a name and address associated with them.

 

 

I never wrote that the ISP was involved. It was the Illinois Department of Revenue and that is exactly what they did. The suit was over taxes and the providers gave up the lists of their customers so the state could go after the buyers rather than the sellers for the unpaid Illinois tax. It would seem to me if a law was passed requiring additional taxes to be collected on ammo (or guns) sold to Illinois buyers that the sellers would have a collection responsibility and if they didn't collect it would be forced to give up their customer lists as well. There is also the additional requirement of the FOID card. My FOID card resides with several internet sellers of ammo already. I'm pretty certain they would not ignore any ammo taxes.

 

Now regarding driving out of state to purchase ammo. The state of Illinois already does some proactive surveillance of larger Missouri tobacco sellers, and it is a criminal offense to buy tobacco out of state with the intent of evading Illinois taxes. I'm sure they aren't catching everyone, or even a large percentage of tobacco tax evaders, so how effective it is is debatable. Who knows how all of this is going the shake out?

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During the Great Ammo Shortages under the Obama dictatorship I found I was buying ammo whenever and wherever I could. Now I go to the range less and less often, and my stash is probably enough to last me the rest of my life, and then some. Since I am not in the market for buying more guns, some of these actions under Pritzker will have little effect on me personally, but I still oppose them as unwarranted and ever increasing restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights. But if voters could elect Pritzker, it tells me that Illinois is beyond any sane chance of improvement, and we are likely to be going down the toilet bowl to join NY, NJ, MD and HI as among the worst of the worst places to be a gun owner. I find I am sort of hoping that a couple of my grown kids will get good out of state job offers so that I can convince my wife that there is nothing holding us here and that it is time to leave for friendlier pastures.

 

I am of the opinion that will affect all of us. If the anti gunners can make it difficult for young people to develop an interest in firearms and firearms related activities, we will lose in the end. We are already a shrinking percentage of voters.

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I never wrote that the ISP was involved.

 

You said "They sued internet providers" ISP = Internet Service Provider

 

 

Should have said internet sellers - sorry.

 

IT HAS BEGUN : SB3637 11/07/2018 Senator Julie A. Morrison (D) 29th District and Senator Jacqueline Y. Collins (D) 16th District Majority Caucus Whip have introduced an ammo tax bill. From reading it, I'm guessing it is a shell bill that will fleshed out when it hits the final committee. The camel's nose is under the tent.

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I never wrote that the ISP was involved.

 

You said "They sued internet providers" ISP = Internet Service Provider

Should have said internet sellers - sorry.

 

IT HAS BEGUN : SB3637 11/07/2018 Senator Julie A. Morrison (D) 29th District and Senator Jacqueline Y. Collins (D) 16th District Majority Caucus Whip have introduced an ammo tax bill. From reading it, I'm guessing it is a shell bill that will fleshed out when it hits the final committee. The camel's nose is under the tent.

Doesnt present as a shell bill but could certainly get amendments. Hopefully it would get Rauner veto if passed. .01 per round

 

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=3637&GAID=14&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=113370&SessionID=91&GA=100

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During the Great Ammo Shortages under the Obama dictatorship I found I was buying ammo whenever and wherever I could. Now I go to the range less and less often, and my stash is probably enough to last me the rest of my life, and then some. Since I am not in the market for buying more guns, some of these actions under Pritzker will have little effect on me personally, but I still oppose them as unwarranted and ever increasing restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights. But if voters could elect Pritzker, it tells me that Illinois is beyond any sane chance of improvement, and we are likely to be going down the toilet bowl to join NY, NJ, MD and HI as among the worst of the worst places to be a gun owner. I find I am sort of hoping that a couple of my grown kids will get good out of state job offers so that I can convince my wife that there is nothing holding us here and that it is time to leave for friendlier pastures.

 

Is a shortage likely to happen again in the months before JB takes office? I was talking with someone about this last Tuesday who was saying even a box of simple 9mm ammo was going for 400% its usual price back in 2008-2009.

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Is a shortage likely to happen again in the months before JB takes office? I was talking with someone about this last Tuesday who was saying even a box of simple 9mm ammo was going for 400% its usual price back in 2008-2009.

 

I don't think so, unless you mean at local shops.

 

I just paid 18.4 cents per 9mm round delivered (Speer 124/TMJ) and a nickel a round for CCI bulk pack .22.

I'd rather pay 15 or 2 cents per round like 15-20 years ago, but what are ya gonna do about that!

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Doesnt present as a shell bill but could certainly get amendments. Hopefully it would get Rauner veto if passed. .01 per round

 

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=3637&GAID=14&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=113370&SessionID=91&GA=100

 

 

What many Illinoisans might not realize is that shell bills are loaded guns. They put residents at risk of laws that would never pass through a measured, deliberative process of open debate.

In simple terms, shell bills allow lawmakers to forget about the transparency required in the typical legislative process. Shell bills mean nothing until they mean everything. And by then, it’s usually too late for citizens to do anything.
Knowing the nastiness of shell bills requires knowledge of how a bill becomes a law in Illinois. A quick primer:
First, a lawmaker introduces a bill. Let’s say this lawmaker is a state representative, so the bill is introduced in the House. The bill then heads to the House Rules Committee, which is supposed to send the bill to the appropriate committee for a hearing. (If Madigan doesn’t like a bill, this doesn’t happen. But that’s another column.)
House rules require six days’ notice before a bill is heard in committee. This standard transparency measure gives lawmakers and the public time to examine the bill and voice their opinions. But this posting requirement doesn’t apply to amendments. Amendments only need to be posted one hour before a hearing. Remember that.
Once in committee, a bill will receive a hearing and a vote, and maybe an amendment on the way. If committee members approve, the bill heads to the House floor.
The bill then gets a reading on the House floor in front of every state representative. That’s called a “second reading.” Representatives get a chance to suggest amendments during the second reading. If the House votes to approve an amendment, that amendment heads back to committee for debate and a vote.
After second reading, the bill gets a third reading and a vote from the full House. Representatives vote up or down to send the bill to the Senate to go through a similar process.
All of this may seem wonky, and it is. Legislating should be slow. It should be open. It should be difficult.
Shell bills fly in the face of all that.
Simply amend a do-nothing shell bill once it reaches the final stages of approval and the wheels are set in motion. Within hours, lawmakers can effectively introduce a new bill and pass it through the House, Senate and get the governor’s signature. The mere one-hour posting requirement for amendments comes in handy here.
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Now regarding driving out of state to purchase ammo. The state of Illinois already does some proactive surveillance of larger Missouri tobacco sellers, and it is a criminal offense to buy tobacco out of state with the intent of evading Illinois taxes. I'm sure they aren't catching everyone, or even a large percentage of tobacco tax evaders, so how effective it is is debatable. Who knows how all of this is going the shake out?

 

I really doubt the ISP is going to stake out the Green Bay Fleet Farm or Sturgeon Bay Walmart looking for Illinois residents buying ammo. If they do then I'll ask one of my buddies in Green Bay or Sturgeon Bay to pick it up for me. May be go halves on case lots. I used to do that with a coworker.

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