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#31 Krh13

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 03:12 PM

Remember "united we stand divided we fall". If we do not vote for Trump and let the liberal media convince us on the lies and slander we all lose and another anti gun nut  will continue to ruin this country.  Anyone thinking who cares its just California  this will be the start of other states trying the same seeing how Cali got away with it.

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 03:13 PM

Remember "united we stand divided we fall". If we do not vote for Trump and let the liberal media convince us on the lies and slander we all lose and another anti gun nut  will continue to ruin this country.  Anyone thinking who cares its just California  this will be the start of other states trying the same seeing how Cali got away with it. +1 We have to get out the vote! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N915A using Tapatalk

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 03:16 PM

It really seems like this all part of a setup to eventually nullify Heller/McDonald.


I have to agree with you. You think they would have been so ignorant with the decision if Scalia were still alive?

There's a good reason the 9th circuit is the most overturned.

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 03:21 PM

But they told us we were paranoid when we said they will come for our guns.....  

 

This proves otherwise.  We must do all we can to prevent Clinton from becoming President, her Supreme Court  selections will ultimately result in gun confiscation.  That is their goal.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 03:32 PM

Anti's are having a field day with this on FB. 

 

Peter A: I'm sure the gun cowboy trolls will be foaming at the mouth when they read this. So what. A huge victory for common sense. It will of course end up at the Supreme Court, after Hillary chooses Scalia's successor. And then it'll be nationwide. Let's go.......!!!!!!!

 



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 04:06 PM

With the 9th and 7th at odds, SCOTUS has got to take up the case. The makeup of the supreme court is scary.

 

I am very scared.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 04:40 PM

I predict another stellar gun purchasing Summer notwithstanding.  molon labe



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 04:46 PM

A bad day

With the 9th and 7th at odds, SCOTUS has got to take up the case. The makeup of the supreme court is scary.
 
I am very scared.


A bad day for us for sure.

But we have a ways to go before all is lost.

Note that of all of the states which have passed concealed carry, none have become MORE restrictive with it over time.

I feel bad for my friends in MD and CA though.

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 04:44 PM

With the 9th and 7th at odds, SCOTUS has got to take up the case. The makeup of the supreme court is scary.

 

I am very scared.

The 7th and 9th aren't at odds....yet. The Nichols open carry case is already at the 9th, so we'll find out which way they go. I'm sure the liberals won't want to rule the 2A protects open carry but at the same time it'll be trouble for them to rule no OC right either. Then we have ourselves a split and a very basic question which is great for SCOTUS, which is does the 2A right of self defense extend outside the home?



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 04:54 PM

 

With the 9th and 7th at odds, SCOTUS has got to take up the case. The makeup of the supreme court is scary.

 

I am very scared.

The 7th and 9th aren't at odds....yet. The Nichols open carry case is already at the 9th, so we'll find out which way they go. I'm sure the liberals won't want to rule the 2A protects open carry but at the same time it'll be trouble for them to rule no OC right either. Then we have ourselves a split and a very basic question which is great for SCOTUS, which is does the 2A right of self defense extend outside the home?

 

What do you mean they are not at odds, when on December 11th 2012 the 7th circuit court ruled that bans on carry was unconstitutional?


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 04:54 PM

 

 

With the 9th and 7th at odds, SCOTUS has got to take up the case. The makeup of the supreme court is scary.

 

I am very scared.

The 7th and 9th aren't at odds....yet. The Nichols open carry case is already at the 9th, so we'll find out which way they go. I'm sure the liberals won't want to rule the 2A protects open carry but at the same time it'll be trouble for them to rule no OC right either. Then we have ourselves a split and a very basic question which is great for SCOTUS, which is does the 2A right of self defense extend outside the home?

 

What do you mean they are not at odds, when on December 11th 2012 the 7th circuit court ruled that bans on carry was unconstitutional?

 

The 9th Circuit ruled concealed carry wasn't protected. They specifically didn't rule on open carry.



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 05:09 PM

Things are getting downright frightening. I really hope Trump's advisors can get him to tighten his lips and focus his fire on Hillary.
"The point of [so-called "assault weapon" bans]...is not to ban firearms that are dangerous, it's to ban firearms that gun owners want to own because the people making the laws don't like gun owners. If we want to buy non-semiauto AR-style rifles, they'll ban those too, and for the same reason."

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 05:18 PM

With the 9th and 7th at odds, SCOTUS has got to take up the case. The makeup of the supreme court is scary.

 

I am very scared.
 

The 9th Circuit ruled concealed carry wasn't protected. They specifically didn't rule on open carry.

 

I agree with everything you said, but still stand by my original statement.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 05:36 PM

I'm shocked, shocked that the most overruled LWW circuit court would rule stupidly.


The Second Amendment of the Constitution protects the rest.

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 05:50 PM

So how does this matter to us? How will it screw us over? California is already screwed, seems like they're just more screwed now.

It screws us over if it goes to SCOTUS after, God forbid, Hillary is elected and she fills the empty seat with a gun hating Liberal, which she will. Then all Liberal states that have "shall issue" will push to revoke it.



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:33 PM

The concealed only bunch may be crying in their diet soda's over this but for open carry advocates like myself this ruling is interesting.  I am wondering if this will end in open carry being allowed even where it is not now?


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:35 PM

The concealed only bunch may be crying in their diet soda's over this but for open carry advocates like myself this ruling is interesting. Good even.

What makes you think they'd vote any different on "open carry"?



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:43 PM


The concealed only bunch may be crying in their diet soda's over this but for open carry advocates like myself this ruling is interesting. Good even.


What makes you think they'd vote any different on "open carry"?

I don't think they can deny both. And this will at least bring the discussion of open carry rights to the forefront.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:02 PM

 

The concealed only bunch may be crying in their diet soda's over this but for open carry advocates like myself this ruling is interesting. Good even.


What makes you think they'd vote any different on "open carry"?

I don't think they can deny both. And this will at least bring the discussion of open carry rights to the forefront.


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My biggest fear is that the Liberal lawmakers in Illinois will now try to change Illinois from "shall issue" to "may issue". That's a very real possibility.



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:09 PM

Anyone know how the total of CC in California? 

 

According to what I found in September of 2011 there were 35,000 CCLs there.  Population in 2011 was about 37.7 million so that comes out to less than 1 in 1000, that of course includes children.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:03 PM


 


The concealed only bunch may be crying in their diet soda's over this but for open carry advocates like myself this ruling is interesting. Good even.
What makes you think they'd vote any different on "open carry"?

I don't think they can deny both. And this will at least bring the discussion of open carry rights to the forefront.
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My biggest fear is that the Liberal lawmakers in Illinois will now try to change Illinois from "shall issue" to "may issue". That's a very real possibility.

Then maybe we should get busy working on open carry with a FOID card before they do?

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:17 PM

 

 


The concealed only bunch may be crying in their diet soda's over this but for open carry advocates like myself this ruling is interesting. Good even.
What makes you think they'd vote any different on "open carry"?

I don't think they can deny both. And this will at least bring the discussion of open carry rights to the forefront.
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My biggest fear is that the Liberal lawmakers in Illinois will now try to change Illinois from "shall issue" to "may issue". That's a very real possibility.

Then maybe we should get busy working on open carry with a FOID card before they do?

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Or just open carry and repeal the foid?

 

I am not the kind of guy who would open carry, it's not for me, but I would fight for anyones right to do so.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:20 PM

Reid Henrichs is fired up:

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:30 PM

 

 


The concealed only bunch may be crying in their diet soda's over this but for open carry advocates like myself this ruling is interesting. Good even.
What makes you think they'd vote any different on "open carry"?

I don't think they can deny both. And this will at least bring the discussion of open carry rights to the forefront.
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My biggest fear is that the Liberal lawmakers in Illinois will now try to change Illinois from "shall issue" to "may issue". That's a very real possibility.

Then maybe we should get busy working on open carry with a FOID card before they do?

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I'm fine with open carry, but I would expect there to be a very high number of private businesses that would post signs prohibiting it. Just for fear that their customers would run out of the store screaming if they saw someone with a gun strapped to their hip. I think a lot of business owners are probably against concealed guns in their store as well, but figure out of sight, out of mind. 



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:44 PM

Just watched a debate on Kelly file with Tucker Carlson and that Nomeki lib dipstick. OMG I would just love to shove a sock in her mouth. She was trying to separate the 2nd amendment to militia with muskets.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 08:08 PM

This is very scary!


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 08:47 PM

This is very scary!

I'm betting that before the year is up, Illinois lawmakers will be trying to change our law to "may issue". 



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 08:48 PM

I'll be voting for Trump, but isn't it a forgone conclusion that Clinton will win Illinois?

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 08:47 PM

 

This is very scary!

I'm betting that before the year is up, Illinois lawmakers will be trying to change our law to "may issue". 

 

 

Luckily I don't think that will happen. They may try, but I don't see our FCCA changing for the better or worse for some time to come.

 

This however does set a scary future for the entire country (SHILLARY + SCOTUS [= LOCK N LOAD])


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"Why do I carry a handgun? Well, look at it this way -- I keep a fire extinguisher in my house. I don't expect to have a fire; indeed, it's highly unlikely. But in the unlikely event of fire, not having the means to stop the fire could result in serious property loss or personal injury to myself and my family. Neither do I expect to be a victim of violent crime; indeed, it's highly unlikely. But in the unlikely event of a violent crime, not having the means to stop the criminal could lead to serious property loss or personal injury to myself and my family. It is simply a matter of common-sense prudence."
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Drawing any line only restricts law abiding people from crossing such a line. The "line" doesn't exist for criminals so we have to support the second amendment.
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Posted 09 June 2016 - 08:47 PM

I'll be voting for Trump, but isn't it a forgone conclusion that Clinton will win Illinois?

 

Trump has my vote as well!

 

I agree that we need to stand united and NOT fall divided.

 

If Shillary wins POTUS we're ******!


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~ I'm not the "bad guy" here, I just want to be able to defend myself and my family. Anywhere I should be permitted to carry a pencil (1st amendment), I should also be able to carry a firearm (2nd amendment) !!!!!!!!!!

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"Why do I carry a handgun? Well, look at it this way -- I keep a fire extinguisher in my house. I don't expect to have a fire; indeed, it's highly unlikely. But in the unlikely event of fire, not having the means to stop the fire could result in serious property loss or personal injury to myself and my family. Neither do I expect to be a victim of violent crime; indeed, it's highly unlikely. But in the unlikely event of a violent crime, not having the means to stop the criminal could lead to serious property loss or personal injury to myself and my family. It is simply a matter of common-sense prudence."
GarandFan, 2007
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Drawing any line only restricts law abiding people from crossing such a line. The "line" doesn't exist for criminals so we have to support the second amendment.
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"The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good man with a gun"
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