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#331 Blackhawk067

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

I would hope that the recent events would not cloud the decisions of anyone concerning this matter. We're not talking about those scary "assault weapons" here, we're simply talking about our right to carry, which comes with background checks, training requirements and is solely for law abiding citizens.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

Maybe she just wants to wait for the "Ford Report" to come out, so she can see what it has to say. :rofl:

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:12 PM

Should we be calling our reps and demanding they pass HB148 yet?

Something tells me that 148 was a lost "opportunity" for the opposition. We'll see though.


YES Call your State Representatives and your Senators. Not just the ones in your district, but all of the, Tell them that you agree with the 7th Circuit Courts ruling and to bring HB 148 back to the floor for a vote. The bill is not dead. It is just sitting in limbo. I spent two days emailing each and everyone of the Illinois Representatives and Senators even the Governor. Explaining to them that I am a law-abiding gun owner and I feel that I should be able to protect myself outside my home just like Judge Posner believes. Urge them to contact Lisa Madigan and tell her to stop wasting tax payers money appealing these decisions and to do her duty to uphold the constitution of if the U.S. like she said when she was sworn into office. Spread the word and let all of your friends and family members know to contact all of the state reps and senators. Now is the time to flood their offices with mail, emails, faxes and every means of contact explaining to them that they should help the citizens of Illinois practice their second amendment rights. Make sure you tell them you are against any legislation that would make it almost impossible for the average citizen to receive a conceal carry license, like exorbitant fees, extensive training, and all the red tape. I URGE EVERYONE THAT NOW OS THE TIME THE FIGHT BEGINS
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:59 PM

Yes, it should be phrased as the right to carry not just concealed carry.


That is EXACTLY right!
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Yep, I agree. Since we have the upper hand for once, I'd like to see both concealed and open carry. Don't know if I'd ever want to open carry, but it would be nice to have that option from the get go, instead of fighting for it at some point in the future.


I ain't really gung ho for open carry as I am for there being no penalty with accidental printing.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:41 AM

Just seems fishy is all


I saw it. It's the same maneuver they have used at every juncture in the case at every opportunity. Their last request for more time was basically denied. This is on the second page of the petition:

3. Moreover, given the stay of the mandate currently in place, the requested
extension of time would not delay the effective date of the panel’s judgment. If a
rehearing petition were filed and denied, the mandate still would issue 180 days after the
December 11, 2012 filing date of the Court’s opinion, regardless of whether the Court
allows this request.


I would love to get your take on this Molly but my opinion is that Lisa is waiting to see if the Conn. Tragedy will somehow sway members of the 7th into ruling in her favor. Its a hail mary play no doubt but its probably her best chance for a positive ruling at this point.


They'd have to express a "legal" ground for any deviation from the previous ruling. Law is Law.
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Here's an example: http://www.nytimes.c...cotus.html?_r=0

If anyone deserved "emotional consideration, it was this woman!

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:29 PM

It appears that the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals no longer has the ruling online (via the link in 1st post). Does anyone else here have a link to the actual ruling?

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:30 PM

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

I can always pull stuff off PACER...just send me some money via PayPal those docs are 10 cents per page. One quarter my PACER bill was $400 *grunting*

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

It appears that the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals no longer has the ruling online (via the link in 1st post). Does anyone else here have a link to the actual ruling?


What the heck. Why all the hoop jumping?

Is a pdf OK Xwing? Should have been attached months ago.


Attached File  Moore and Shepard v Madigan 7th Circuit Opinion 12-11-2012.pdf   251.12KB   133 downloads
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:53 AM

Posted - 11 Dec. 2012 10:40 a.m.

http://www.ca7.uscou...&submit=showdkt

Illinois ban on Right to Carry ruled unconstitutional!

We have a ruling from the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals - The Supreme Court’s interpretation of
the Second Amendment therefore compels us to reverse
the decisions in the two cases before us and remand

them to their respective district courts for the entry
of declarations of unconstitutionality and
permanent injunctions.


Nevertheless we order our mandate
stayed for 180 days to allow the Illinois
legislature to craft a new gun law that will
impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public
safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in
this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public.
REVERSED AND REMANDED, WITH DIRECTIONS;
BUT MANDATE STAYED FOR 180 DAYS.

We win, the ban on carrying is unconstitutional!


Can someone post the PDF of the ruling? This link is dead now.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:22 AM

Found my copy (moved it to a different folder)

Attached File  7thOpinion.pdf   251.12KB   87 downloads

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

I also made a Paste Bin page that will be up virtually forever.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:56 PM

Does this SUPRISE anyone ???

http://www.sj-r.com/...n-on-gun-appeal

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:32 PM

Didn't SCOTUS already say no to any more of these disputes?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

Does this SUPRISE anyone ???

http://www.sj-r.com/...n-on-gun-appeal


Doesn't surprise me, this is the tactic of these dirty *******... While it WOULD surprise me if SCOTUS actually granted an extension OR to actually hear it (when they appeal). I would only guess at this point that's their "game plan". File for extension, then appeal at the last possible minute, just like they did w/ 7CA. Too bad June 9 is still coming -- last time I checked -- filing for an extension or even filing for an appeal will not put my calendar, or the 7CA ruling, on pause... These a*holes really are gonna go down dragging, kicking, screaming, whining, grinding their teeth and nails into the ground, etc... like a little 6 year old, how sad !!!

I guess those darn other 49 states would get with the program already @.@

Keep screwing around Madigan and co. 39 days, 39 days... ... ...

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:10 PM

The absolute last thing they want is for Gura to take Lisa's counsel to school. It's like an amateur playing golf against a PGA pro. Word is Madigan is gonna bring 997 back up soon.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 10:56 AM

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 05:41 PM

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We got a nice surprise today. From our 2012 victory in Moore v. Madigan. The ruling declared the right to self-defense is “broader than the right to have a gun in one’s home.”


Edited by Bimmer, 08 August 2016 - 05:42 PM.

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 05:44 PM

Sweet!
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 12:12 PM

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We got a nice surprise today. From our 2012 victory in Moore v. Madigan. The ruling declared the right to self-defense is “broader than the right to have a gun in one’s home.”

 

Glad they got paid, but it doesn't seem like anything changes for us as of today.



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Posted 09 August 2016 - 02:38 PM

Well, there is the fact that WE are going to wind up footing the bill to get our rights (again).



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Posted 09 August 2016 - 05:12 PM

Who remembers what US TAXPAYERS had to fork out to win the "OTIS Mc DONALD" case.






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