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[TyGuy]

HB1907 up

[mauserme]

TyGuy, on 31 May 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Drylok, on 31 May 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

No, it's over Ty Court case is being heard next Friday I think it is

Why?  Did I miss something procedural?

No TyGuy, its just that we're running out of time to try to move the bill now.  It would take at least several hours to get it through all the steps.  It look's like those hours aren't there anymore.


HB1907 is up.

Edited by mauserme, 31 May 2012 - 01:47 PM.

[Talonap]

Drylok, on 31 May 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Talonap, he is not breaking any rules by doing this and it would take a constitutional amendment to fix it. But I agree, NO speaker should ever block a bill from going to the floor ever.

Go For It!

[Scots]

About to adjourn it seems...

[Drylok]

They're in recess, be back at 3:45

[Scots]

Why did he say they house will stand in recess until 3:45 pm?

[TyGuy]

Any hope of anything happening after 3:45?

[FarmHand357]

For what it's worth, I called both of Madigan's offices and asked the nice folks there to pass along to the speaker my great displeasure that he, for his own reasons, is not allowing a vote on SB 2539 today.  I told them that it's not right that the rest of our elected representatives are denied the opportunity to have a say on a bill that affects all of Illinois, just because one man doesn't like it.

I realize that this will accomplish nothing, but had to do something.  Both offices said they'd pass along the message and the Chicago one asked for my name and number to register my comments...

Rep. Michael J. Madigan
(D-Chicago)
22nd District

District Office
6500 South Pulaski Road
Chicago, IL 60629
(773) 581-8000
(773) 581-9414 (fax)

Capitol Office
300 State House
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-5350

Edited by FarmHand357, 31 May 2012 - 01:57 PM.

[mauserme]

The House stands in recess until 3:45 PM.

Prior to that, they concurred on the amendment to HB1907.

[Talonap]

Do they get to go outside for recess? They could continue playing, "Dodge-Ball", out there.

Edited by Talonap, 31 May 2012 - 01:52 PM.

[abolt243]

dnielson, on 31 May 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Why did he say they house will stand in recess until 3:45 pm?

Because there are committee meetings going on until then.

[Drylok]

dodge ball

Guys just relax, watch the hearing next week then enjoy your summer, carry everywhere you can in IL and spend as much time outside IL as possible and just wait for the big hammer to come down on Madigan from the courts.

[RECarry]

These politicians need to be shown that frustrated **taxpayers**, not lawless thugs, are already leaving this state for greener pastures.  We need to help them realize that fiscal problems will only multiply when more working people move away, and lawsuits over restrictive firearm laws drain the treasury. I know I am not the only Realtor helping people move away, and I hear their disgust with Chicago machine politics.

I've posted a graph before showing the total # of Illinois employed workers keeps finding new lows after each recession, while the nation at large has typically recovered to a new high point.  That is structural failure and leadership failure, not just the business cycle. We gain leverage to fight this suffocating leadership by showing $$$$$$ costs that will register with the average taxpayer.

[mauserme]

Drylok, on 31 May 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

dodge ball

Don't they usually go after the guy in the red babushka?

[vezpa]

Who wants to be the first person to come visit me in September in Arizona?

[spec4]

RECarry, on 31 May 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

These politicians need to be shown that frustrated **taxpayers**, not lawless thugs, are already leaving this state for greener pastures.  We need to help them realize that fiscal problems will only multiply when more working people move away, and lawsuits over restrictive firearm laws drain the treasury. I know I am not the only Realtor helping people move away, and I hear their disgust with Chicago machine politics.

I've posted a graph before showing the total # of Illinois employed workers keeps finding new lows after each recession, while the nation at large has typically recovered to a new high point.  That is structural failure and leadership failure, not just the business cycle. We gain leverage to fight this suffocating leadership by showing $$$$$$ costs that will register with the average taxpayer.

At some point you would think this would get the attention of the politicians.  I voted with my feet two years ago. As a result, Illinois lost many thousands of dollars a year in tax money I was paying.  I am also trying to get my daughter and her family to bail out. Their real estate tax bill is $12,500 and they have just about had it.  IMO, the bulk of those leaving are contributors, not takers.

[Scots]

House is reconvening.

[Vade]

Damn thought I was gonna hear some good news in my birthday today. But once again shot down. I'm leaving this state the first chance I get.

[Sigma]

All of the democrats that are in favor of RTC should switch parties. Probably the only way to get rid of Madigan.

[TyGuy]

Our 5 year plan is to move to TN

[Buzzard]

Sigma, on 31 May 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

All of the democrats that are in favor of RTC should switch parties. Probably the only way to get rid of Madigan.

I've said that before. Let's see what response that you get.

[GarandFan]

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I'm leaving this state the first chance I get.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, or some version of it, I'd be a rather wealthy man.

[TyGuy]

All pro 2a Illinois citizens should surroung Chicago, and at the same time we jump up and stomp on the landing.  The force will break Chicago off from Illinois and into the lake.  Pro 2a chicago folks will then occupy the new water front property.

[Druid]

05FLHT, on 31 May 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

Druid, on 31 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Only problem with the courts is that those lawsuits are not doing very well and setting a bunch of bad legal precidents in their wake. I would rather see the bill pass and the fallout from the lawsuits end.

The current crop of lawsuits will end when the right to bear arms, outside of the home, is recognized by the SCOTUS. Passage of a carry bill will not stop the remaining suits that have been filed across the country. Yes there are criminal (and some civil) cases that are setting 'bad precedent,' but the right cases are working their way up.

I hope you are right, but I don't see a win here even at SCOTUS. I doubt they would even take the case. Maybe it would succeed after some years of smaller 2nd Amendment wins, but now is premature. Still, I'll keep my fingers crossed... It's very frustrating to be the only state without ccw.

[GarandFan]

Druid, on 31 May 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

I hope you are right, but I don't see a win here even at SCOTUS. I doubt they would even take the case.

I certainly admire and respect you, Druid, but must say that on this issue, I don't share your pessimism (though it is probably well-earned).  It is flatly inevitable that the SCOTUS will take a "bear arms" case, because whether "the right to bear arms" guarantee means anything, or not, simply must be resolved.  They were forced to resolve the "keep" question, and now they must resolve "bear."  It is inevitable.  And I must say ... the Illinois cases pending at the 7th circuit are about as clean and neat as such cases come.

When, I don't know.  But I do know that it will be resolved, and I am very confident it will be resolved generally in our favor (in favor of a workable right to arms that comports with history and historical precedent).

[mailterry]

We The People  of Illinois  have no say    figured this was going to turn out this way.   and it always will with  madigan and the Chicago politics.  They write the laws

[xmikex]

Made this in honor of this session.....

[mauserme]

I'm going to take a break for a while but will try to jump back in later if needed.

However this ends today, I want to acknowledge Todd's work in giving us what, by any standard, has been a very successful Spring.  There is dissapointment to be sure, but we've sent a number of good bills to the governor's desk, stopped at least one bad bill, and found common ground on a third making it a win for all concerned.  


Also, appologies to TomKoz and Uncle Harley.  Not that you need my permision but you know you're always welcome to participate in the ILGA threads.  I'm sure you understand that I needed to keep these last few days more focused than normal.


Back later...

Edited by mauserme, 31 May 2012 - 03:59 PM.

[C0untZer0]

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IMO, the bulk of those leaving are contributors, not takers.

Chicago is the second best place for people who feel they're "entitled"  Unless you had a ticket to Santa Monica, you'd be crazy to leave Chicago.  It's a sweet heart deal, they pay you just for having kids, they feed your kids breakfast and lunch Monday through Friday, you get housing assistance,  subsidized utilities and food stamps.  All you have to do is vote the way they tell you to.

Santa Monica does all that plus they give you spaghetti dinners

[05FLHT]

Druid, on 31 May 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

I hope you are right, but I don't see a win here even at SCOTUS. I doubt they would even take the case. Maybe it would succeed after some years of smaller 2nd Amendment wins, but now is premature. Still, I'll keep my fingers crossed... It's very frustrating to be the only state without ccw.

You have the classic symptoms of BGOS - Battered Gun Owner Syndrome.