mauserme Posted April 17, 2014 at 12:29 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 12:29 PM http://politics.suntimes.com/article/springfield/proposal-deny-firearms-id-cards-medical-pot-users-nixed/wed-04162014-711pm Proposal to deny firearms ID cards to medical pot users is nixed Wed, 04/16/2014 - 7:11pmBecky SchlikermanA proposed rule that would have barred medical marijuana patients from obtaining Firearm Owner’s Identification cards has been nixed, The Chicago Sun-Times has learned.Illinois officials had posted preliminary rules for the implementation of the Illinois Medical Cannabis Pilot Program that barred medical marijuana users or their caregivers from obtaining a FOID card if they were part of the pilot program.But in rules that will be officially filed for review later this week, that provision has been removed, sources said.It was not immediately known if the same provision regarding Concealed Carry Weapons Permits had also been removed.Illinois Department of Public Health officials said the official rules are expected to be published Friday.But how the change in the rules impacts medical marijuana users and their ability to legally own a gun is still murky to some, though not to federal officials.Under federal law, which regulates gun dealers, anyone who uses a controlled substance, including marijuana, is prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm or ammunition, said Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives spokesman Thomas Ahern.“Under federal law, anyone who is using marijuana, regardless of whether his or her state has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use ... the person under ATF law is considered an unlawful user,” he said.The rules now go to the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, which would have to review and approve the rules after a 45-day public comment period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:00 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:00 PM Far out man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandFan Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:27 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:27 PM Good to hear this. Thanks Mauser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:35 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:35 PM The FFL form 4473 asks the purchaser "are you addicted to a controlled substance?" not "do you use a controlled substance?" There are existing strains of Cannabis that is has low in the addictive THC and high in CBD which is provides the benefits and therefore if someone used that strain they would get the benefits without the addictive mind altering effects of typical marijuana and if they were to fill out a form 4473 they would not have to lie since it asks if they are addicted not if they use. The ATF can not claim simply using a drug is a disqualifying factor since form 4473 states that being addicted is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:45 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 01:45 PM So I can go get my weed card and keep my foid and fccl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted April 17, 2014 at 02:16 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 02:16 PM Just think how busy wally world will be when the munchies hit........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoktorPaimon Posted April 17, 2014 at 02:21 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 02:21 PM Good. Not an inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xd9subcompact Posted April 17, 2014 at 03:22 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 03:22 PM The FFL form 4473 asks the purchaser "are you addicted to a controlled substance?" not "do you use a controlled substance?" There are existing strains of Cannabis that is has low in the addictive THC and high in CBD which is provides the benefits and therefore if someone used that strain they would get the benefits without the addictive mind altering effects of typical marijuana and if they were to fill out a form 4473 they would not have to lie since it asks if they are addicted not if they use. The ATF can not claim simply using a drug is a disqualifying factor since form 4473 states that being addicted is.Notwithstanding my personal feelings about people under the influence of drugs or alcohol, I agree with you, and would add that there are plenty of people out there that are addicted to substances that do not know they are addicted. It takes a trained professional to make an official determination of an addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted April 17, 2014 at 05:38 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 05:38 PM If the drug companies were smart they would make a deal with the FEDS to process medically beneficial CBD into a pill with little or none of the potentially dangerous and addictive THC for those that would otherwise need to use medical marijuana and reserve the unprocessed regular medical marijuana as a last resort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0beit Posted April 17, 2014 at 05:51 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 05:51 PM If the drug companies were smart they would make a deal with the FEDS to process medically beneficial CBD into a pill with little or none of the potentially dangerous and addictive THC for those that would otherwise need to use medical marijuana and reserve the unprocessed regular medical marijuana as a last resort. They already do that http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000883 The main issue is complicated, but I'll say the effectiveness varies from person to person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted April 17, 2014 at 06:29 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 06:29 PM http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-state-drops-plan-to-prohibit-medical-pot-users-from-owning-guns-20140417,0,4578775.story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazborgufen Posted April 17, 2014 at 07:38 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 07:38 PM The proposal to prohibit caregivers was a jerk move. Glad that's off the table now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriumphRider Posted April 17, 2014 at 09:06 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 09:06 PM Good. Alcohol use is more detrimental physically and mentally than marijuana use. Too many people are stuck in the uneducated/ill-informed mindset about marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted April 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM Yehaa that proposal was kinda dumb anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC Posted April 17, 2014 at 11:38 PM Share Posted April 17, 2014 at 11:38 PM Just waiting for the first stoner to decide to entertain himself by plinking at school buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM Just waiting for the first stoner to decide to entertain himself by plinking at school buses.Right... The Wild West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:19 AM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:19 AM Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.....where's my gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:20 AM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:20 AM I did make it on local news tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDave6 Posted April 18, 2014 at 03:54 AM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 03:54 AM Just waiting for the first stoner to decide to entertain himself by plinking at school buses.Don't think that will be the problem.It appears they are entertained jumping from balconies.http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted April 18, 2014 at 03:56 PM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 03:56 PM All of this paragraph is lined out in the new proposal, but still not sure on a carry permit. 22) That the applicant understands that a qualifying patient or designated caregiver with a current Firearm Owners Identification Card or a Concealed Carry Weapons Permit who is approved for a registry identification card shall be in violation of and may not possess firearms under relevant state and federal law. As such, registered qualifying patients and designated caregivers are not eligible for a Firearm OwnersIdentification Card or a Firearm Concealed Carry License and may be subject to administrative proceedings by the Illinois State Police if they do not voluntarily surrender such card or license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 18, 2014 at 05:31 PM Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 05:31 PM I'm not finding anything related to firearms or concealed carry in the Proposed Rules beginning on page 8069. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted April 18, 2014 at 06:09 PM Share Posted April 18, 2014 at 06:09 PM Thanks mauserme, I didn't find anything either about firearms, Foid, or carry permit. They did make it easier to obtain a card for Vet's oorahh. Also it's only $50 for Veterans and people on SSDI seems more reasonable. That is a whole lot of reading, the patient part starts on page 8246 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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