Scipio24 Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:14 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:14 PM Just looked at my sample ballot (so sad that there are so many unopposed democrats running for some positions) and they ask the following County wide Firearms question in the Referenda section: Should the State of Illinois strengthen penalties for the illegal trafficking of firearms and require all gun dealers to be certified by the State? Well what the heck...those are two different questions that I would answer two different ways...I hate Crook County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:19 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:19 PM I think the underlying ideological assumption is that any gun dealer not licensed by the state is an illegal trafficker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:21 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:21 PM It means nothing. They are limited to only 3 advisory questions on the ballot so the crooked party that controls Illinois government fills the ballot with three useless questions so that real questions like term limits and fair maps cannot get on the ballot. It's called crooked Illinois political rues written by crooked Illinois politicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:29 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:29 PM Yes and no respectively. Chicago is probably banking on the idea that everyone will read the first part and answer yes while glossing past the second half. In the end they get the yes answer they wanted. There should be a rule about these questions getting onto a ballot and only allowing 1 question at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:36 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 07:36 PM Opinion of one of how many counties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted October 17, 2018 at 08:47 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 08:47 PM I smell Larry Sufferidins sticky fingers on influencing the referendum question and its specific phrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted October 17, 2018 at 08:53 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 08:53 PM Just looked at my sample ballot (so sad that there are so many unopposed democrats running for some positions) and they ask the following County wide Firearms question in the Referenda section: Should the State of Illinois strengthen penalties for the illegal trafficking of firearms and require all gun dealers to be certified by the State? Well what the heck...those are two different questions that I would answer two different ways...I hate Crook County. I propose a second question for Cook County... "Does 2 + 2 = 4 and should Illinois become a Constitutional Carry state?" (Hey.....just asking a question like a democrat!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:36 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:36 PM Scumbag left wing D's are quite adept at ambiguous, manipulative referendum language. "Is it wrong for men to beat women, for adults to molest children, and for the income tax not to be raised to 50%?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:39 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:39 PM Just looked at my sample ballot (so sad that there are so many unopposed democrats running for some positions) and they ask the following County wide Firearms question in the Referenda section: Should the State of Illinois strengthen penalties for the illegal trafficking of firearms and require all gun dealers to be certified by the State? Well what the heck...those are two different questions that I would answer two different ways...I hate Crook County. The correct response is "NO" (to both sections). It is an advisory referendum and does not directly affect legislation. The Dems are going through the motions to make it look like there is great demand for licensure. Among the ignorant there is. There are already laws on the books to limit trafficking. They need to enforce what is already there. Your "NO" will be lost among the ignorant "Yeses", but make your view known anyway. It is at least a minor thumbing of your nose against the powers in Cook County and the Democrat organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:42 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:42 PM I smell Larry Sufferidins sticky fingers on influencing the referendum question and its specific phrasing. He should rub those sticky fingers on his bald head to keep his bad hairpiece in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:44 PM Share Posted October 17, 2018 at 11:44 PM Just looked at my sample ballot (so sad that there are so many unopposed democrats running for some positions) and they ask the following County wide Firearms question in the Referenda section: Should the State of Illinois (strengthen penalties for the illegal trafficking of firearms and) require all gun dealers to be certified by the State? Well what the heck...those are two different questions that I would answer two different ways...I hate Crook County. The correct response is "NO" (to both sections). It is an advisory referendum and does not directly affect legislation. The Dems are going through the motions to make it look like there is great demand for licensure. Among the ignorant there is. There are already laws on the books to limit trafficking. They need to enforce what is already there. Your "NO" will be lost among the ignorant "Yeses", but make your view known anyway. It is at least a minor thumbing of your nose against the powers in Cook County and the Democrat organization. I clearly see it as one question.My response will be no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted October 18, 2018 at 12:08 AM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 12:08 AM First of all, stiffer penalties? They won't enforce them. Crooks can't vote "D" is they are behind bars.Secondly - Licensing firearm dealers won't accomplish a thing except run them out of business - which is what they want to do anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted October 18, 2018 at 01:44 AM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 01:44 AM Should the State of Illinois strengthen penalties for the illegal trafficking of firearms and require all gun dealers to be certified by the State?The same pols that wrote that also write the laws in crook, and influence the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windermere Posted October 18, 2018 at 01:47 AM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 01:47 AM No. There are already tough gun laws in place that are not enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted October 18, 2018 at 02:01 AM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 02:01 AM Replace"State of Illinois" with "County of Cook", and I'm all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted October 18, 2018 at 03:56 PM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 03:56 PM It's a trap. Just look at how it is worded. It is worded in such a way that each and every low information voter, regardless how they feel about guns, is going to vote yes. Then the anti freedom politicians will use that statistic to say "look 85% of voters want gun dealer licensing". Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted October 18, 2018 at 04:10 PM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 04:10 PM I think the penalties for illegal gun trafficking are already pretty stiff...if only we'd actually enforce it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted October 18, 2018 at 04:48 PM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 04:48 PM I think the penalties for illegal gun trafficking are already pretty stiff...if only we'd actually enforce it...Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobS Posted October 18, 2018 at 06:28 PM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 06:28 PM Where did you find the referendum info. I have been searching but not finding??? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted October 18, 2018 at 07:01 PM Share Posted October 18, 2018 at 07:01 PM What they need to be asking is if we support term limits for ALL elected officials. Or how about since cops have body camera's, should elected officials be mandated to wear one even in the "backroom" meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio24 Posted October 19, 2018 at 12:00 AM Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 12:00 AM Where did you find the referendum info. I have been searching but not finding??? Thank you. I received my Voter Information in the mail and it directs you to their website: https://www.cookcountyclerk.com/service/your-voter-information?mailer= Punch in your info and it will show you your ballot. And yes - obviously it should be answered "No" but many will read it as "do you want to stop gun violence?" and vote "Yes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois Sucks Posted October 19, 2018 at 12:10 AM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 12:10 AM Does it make sense to try to see if any conservative news sources are interested exposing this for what it is? SteveTA on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted October 19, 2018 at 04:54 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 04:54 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:03 AM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:03 AM - No reason given Does it make sense to try to see if any conservative news sources are interested exposing this for what it is? SteveTA on this?Send me some pics of the ballot. I can’t get it to come up. Post pics and I’ll get it spread!!!! Link to comment
steveTA84 Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:02 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:02 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:03 AM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:03 AM - No reason given Does it make sense to try to see if any conservative news sources are interested exposing this for what it is? SteveTA on this?Send me some pics of the ballot. I can’t get it to come up. Post pics and I’ll get it spread!!!! Nevermind, I got it. Spreading now! Link to comment
steveTA84 Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:33 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:33 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:56 AM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:56 AM - No reason given Attention Cook County, IL residents: There is a question on the upcoming ballot that is a trick. These crooks never give up. Please help spread this to get the word out on their sneaky tactics. @AWRHawkins @BreitbartNews @DailyCaller @ChrisLoesch @DLoesch @NRA @NRATV pic.twitter.com/f8bCmLiWaS— William Bobalink (@WBobalink) October 19, 2018 Link to comment
steveTA84 Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:35 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:35 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:56 AM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:56 AM - No reason given Guess you can’t embed tweets. Oh well. It’ll spread http://i.imgur.com/QTR58XA.jpg Link to comment
steveTA84 Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:37 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 05:37 PM · Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:56 AM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., December 12, 2018 at 05:56 AM - No reason given . Link to comment
soylentgreen Posted October 19, 2018 at 06:02 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 06:02 PM Gee...if only voting "yes" on a referendum could actually stop violence or solve any sort of complex problem. Wouldn't that be great?The results of this vote will give some great information, tho. It will show exactly how many sheeple there are in Cook compared to woke people who actually know something and care enough to understand what's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio24 Posted October 19, 2018 at 06:42 PM Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 06:42 PM Attention Cook County, IL residents: There is a question on the upcoming ballot that is a trick. These crooks never give up. Please help spread this to get the word out on their sneaky tactics. @AWRHawkins @BreitbartNews @DailyCaller @ChrisLoesch @DLoesch @NRA @NRATV pic.twitter.com/f8bCmLiWaS— William Bobalink (@WBobalink) October 19, 2018 Thanks, Steve. That's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted October 19, 2018 at 07:07 PM Share Posted October 19, 2018 at 07:07 PM There are numerous referenda on the Cook County ballots this November, some are county-wide, others are specific to certain townships or municipalities. In addition to that listed in the OP, topics also include minimum wage, taxing marijuana, park districts, tobacco, term limits, nonpartisan local elections, etc. etc. It does not seem to be all that difficult to get a referendum on the ballot, especially if your party is in control. https://www.cookcountyclerk.com/service/march-20-2018-referenda In 2016 the penalty for gun trafficking was increased from 1 year to 15-30 years in jail. https://abc7chicago.com/politics/new-law-tightens-penalties-for-firearms-trafficking-in-illinois/1481916/ http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-bruce-rauner-gun-trafficking-law-met-20160823-story.html I do not see an evil intent to confuse people. I have seen enough manuals, regulations, laws in my time to know that many people do not know how to write clearly. It will pass because most of the voters in Cook County are antigun Democrats. It will make them feel like they are doing something about “gun violence”. If I lived in Cook I would vote against it. The penalties are strong enough (enforcement and conviction are the problem). State licensure of gun dealers is not necessary and is unduly restrictive. When the Cook County politicians go to Springfield and claim the licensure is the will of the people based on the referendum results, be sure to contact your legislators and the governor about your views on this matter. AND OF COURSE, VOTE FOR RAUNER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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