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#1 Patriots & Tyrants

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:35 AM

So I got the idea shamelessly from other sources but lets compile a list of all the places closed, moving or changing their business strategy as a result of the new dealer licensing act. Post any known closings below and I will try to keep this pretty up to date as a master "this is what gun control gets us" list.

 

 

A&S Gunsmithing- Mt. Vernon, IL: Surrendering FFL, still open for gunsmithing

Airline Pawn- Rosewood, IL: Surrendering FFL

Applied Arsenal Finishes- Watterman, IL: Moving to Minnesota 

Birds-N-Brooks Army Navy Surplus- Springfield, IL: No longer selling firearms

Boomers & Blasters- Peru, IL: Closed

Christopher Coin, Gun & Pawn- Pekin, IL: Closing in August

Dale's Guns- Marengo, IL: Closed 

Fishman’s Sporting Goods- Girard, IL: Closing

Gilmor Guns- Loves Park, IL: Closing

G M Bartelmay Guns- Morton, IL: Closing

Great Guns Armory- Plainfield, IL: No more transfers, open for Gunsmithing

Lazy S- Flora, IL: Closing

Lebar Custom Engraving- LeLand, IL: Closing

Lost Creek Trading Post- Marshall, IL: Moving to Indiana

M-Fred's Guitars & Guns- Mattoon, IL: Surrendered FFL

 Oglesby & Oglesby- Springfield, IL: Closing

Phil's Village Sports Center- Arlington Heights, IL: Closing

PM Shooting- Troy, IL: Closing

The Ridge Gun Shop- Herod, IL: Closed

Schrank's Smoke 'n Gun- Waukegan, IL: Changing to appointment only

Shawnee Gun Service, Elizabethtown, IL: Closed 

Shooting, Inc- Troy IL: Closing

The Gun Doctor- Henning, IL: Closing

Walnut Creek Shooters Supply- Brownstown, IL: No longer "selling" firearms as of 7/17

Wild Dave’s- Herrin, IL: Closing


Edited by Patriots & Tyrants, 10 August 2019 - 07:08 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:38 AM

This only shows the antis how they’re winning. Let them figure it out themselves.
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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:53 AM

The antis know they are putting places out of business, they have the same sources we do, namely news media and social media.



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 11:42 AM

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 12:27 PM

The antis know they are putting places out of business, they have the same sources we do, namely news media and social media.

 

Agreed.

Let them show how that useless law does anything to curb crime. That's their job, since that's what they claimed the law would do in the first place.



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 01:51 PM

I have not read all the details of the new law. Won't Shrank's be under the same requirements whether they are a walk-in or appointment-only business? 

Are not the rules the same for all small FFLs in Illinois?



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 07:39 PM

Added a few more; maybe an enterprising lawyer will see this as a chance for a mega-suit



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 07:44 PM

Pinned to the top.

 

 

Thank you, if anything this may avoid having 50 individual threads over the next couple of months 



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:41 PM

Gilmore Guns, Loves Park IL



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:58 PM

There are some in this thread

http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=71079

and at least one in this one

http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=72229

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#11 mauserme

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 05:44 AM

 

Pinned to the top.

 
 
Thank you, if anything this may avoid having 50 individual threads over the next couple of months

 


Thanks for starting this topic. It's the kind of information we can use to bring more people into our fight - hard facts with names instead of vague statements about "stores closing".



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:00 AM

Added a couple more this morning sadly. Seems to be a steady stream on social media of 1-2 per day now :(  Mostly small shops too. This sucks.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:03 AM

And not at all who they were trying to target.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:25 AM

On a semi-related note, much bigger companies have their own issues:

 

https://www.cnbc.com...es-in-2019.html

 

And perhaps directly related to this topic, how many mom-n-pop shops have had to close their doors because of increasing lost profit from gun sales due to people shopping online and just needing an FFL for transfers?


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:53 AM

From the list above, Fishman's was a mom and pop who in recent years only kept hours several days per week.

During the ammo famine of the previous administration, they were one of the only stores I was able to track down and purchase decent amounts of .22 caliber.

I completely understand why they have seen it easier to pull the plug than continue to pay overhead for likely less than minimum wage.

 

The Birds N Brooks is also a long, long time business that I recall going in as a boy as begging for goodies from the military surplus section.

Sad to see and just another sign of the Illinois times.

Nobody is congress give two hoots about either of those places.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:21 AM

And not at all who they were trying to target.

 

It's EXACTLY who they were trying to target. They know criminals don't buy guns through an FFL, so the law was never intended to stop any crime.  They're purposely making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns. End around gun control.  It's an incremental step.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:29 AM

From the list above, Fishman's was a mom and pop who in recent years only kept hours several days per week.

During the ammo famine of the previous administration, they were one of the only stores I was able to track down and purchase decent amounts of .22 caliber.

I completely understand why they have seen it easier to pull the plug than continue to pay overhead for likely less than minimum wage.

 

The Birds N Brooks is also a long, long time business that I recall going in as a boy as begging for goodies from the military surplus section.

Sad to see and just another sign of the Illinois times.

Nobody is congress give two hoots about either of those places.

 

 

 

I am going to drop by Gilmor this weekend if they are open and just see what they have. So far most of these closings are way out of my normal stomping grounds.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:51 AM

 

And not at all who they were trying to target.

 
It's EXACTLY who they were trying to target. They know criminals don't buy guns through an FFL, so the law was never intended to stop any crime.  They're purposely making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns. End around gun control.  It's an incremental step.

 


In debate, on this or possibly an earlier bill, Senator Harmon mentioned that there are a few stores in the Chicago area toward which he would have liked to direct the legislation, but couldn't legally do so.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 11:21 AM

And not at all who they were trying to target.

 
It's EXACTLY who they were trying to target. They know criminals don't buy guns through an FFL, so the law was never intended to stop any crime.  They're purposely making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns. End around gun control.  It's an incremental step.
In debate, on this or possibly an earlier bill, Senator Harmon mentioned that there are a few stores in the Chicago area toward which he would have liked to direct the legislation, but couldn't legally do so.
So naturally, the thing to do in that situation is penalize everyone.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 11:52 AM

In debate, on this or possibly an earlier bill, Senator Harmon mentioned that there are a few stores in the Chicago area toward which he would have liked to direct the legislation, but couldn't legally do so.


So naturally, the thing to do in that situation is penalize everyone.


It is far less intrusive to punish actual criminals than to create them through regulations.

If what the legislators really wanted was just to grant the ISP (a state agency) the authority to audit an FFL's transfer records (instead of requiring assistance from the ATF, a federal agency) if it suspected criminal activity, they could have written the licensing law that way, but they didn't.

Edited by Euler, 14 June 2019 - 11:53 AM.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 11:59 AM

Depending on one's point of view, exposing the fact that this law is doing everything except their stated goal demonstrates either their poor planning or their lie.  Either way, it is useful to expose it.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 01:19 PM

The longer I stay in this state the less faith I have in the process. Exposing their lies means exactly what. Nobody cares. Willis and Harmon both blatantly lie to their fellow legislators, their constituents, and the public in it's entirety. There is no honor. There's just winning at any cost. Knowing that Satan has a special place for them later isn't as fun to think about as it used to be now that their making serious infringements instead of just the little nibbles here and there.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:56 PM

FYI I added 1 or 2 more and will keep doing so; if you want to post any I have missed here, or PM me. I will try to update this once every day or two.

 

As a side note this mostly as we all knew but as the antis swore it would not is effecting small town gun dealers, many of whom I would be surprised if they sold ONE eventual crime gun a year; if one EVER depending on the length they were in business.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 04:25 PM

The solution is to make "gun dealer" just 3% of what they do. Attach gun ranges, donut shops, muffler repair...whatever it takes to fix the economic hardship IL has inflicted on these FFL's.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 04:43 PM

The solution is to make "gun dealer" just 3% of what they do. Attach gun ranges, donut shops, muffler repair...whatever it takes to fix the economic hardship IL has inflicted on these FFL's.

 

Are you going to provide the money and/or credit needed for remodeling, new construction, new inventory, training, etc.?



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 04:56 PM

 

The solution is to make "gun dealer" just 3% of what they do. Attach gun ranges, donut shops, muffler repair...whatever it takes to fix the economic hardship IL has inflicted on these FFL's.

 

Are you going to provide the money and/or credit needed for remodeling, new construction, new inventory, training, etc.?

 

 

Crowd funding has been used for other situations. If stand-alone gun dealers are being squashed, what's a new business model?


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:26 PM

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:42 PM

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:04 PM

In debate, on this or possibly an earlier bill, Senator Harmon mentioned that there are a few stores in the Chicago area toward which he would have liked to direct the legislation, but couldn't legally do so.

So naturally, the thing to do in that situation is penalize everyone.
It is far less intrusive to punish actual criminals than to create them through regulations.If what the legislators really wanted was just to grant the ISP (a state agency) the authority to audit an FFL's transfer records (instead of requiring assistance from the ATF, a federal agency) if it suspected criminal activity, they could have written the licensing law that way, but they didn't.

It has nothing to do with crime prevention. They dont want civilians to have guns. This was a way to make it harder for us to get them and an incremental step in their ultimate quest to ban and confiscate guns. FFL licensing wasnt the goal, it was a single action item on a long list for them.

Edited by DomG, 14 June 2019 - 09:06 PM.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:12 PM

https://www.facebook...4jX0wH2tTMLTEGO

 

Boomers & Blasters say they are closing






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