ChuangTzu Posted July 1, 2015 at 02:05 AM Share Posted July 1, 2015 at 02:05 AM I'm not sure why this isn't posted here already (I searched and couldn't find it...). It's a really important case that involves the 2nd, 1st, 5th, amendments. Gura is litigating it. By posting a file online, the DDTC claimed Defense Distributed had potentially violated arms export controls—just as if it had shipped AR-15s to Mexico.In its 2013 letter to Defense Distributed, the DDTC cited a long-controversial set of regulations known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which controls whether and how Americans can sell weapons beyond U.S. borders. By merely posting a 3-D-printable file to a website, in other words, the DDTC claimed Defense Distributed had potentially violated arms export controls—just as if it had shipped a crate of AR-15s to, say, Mexico. But the group’s lawsuit now argues that whether or not the Liberator is a weapon, its blueprints are “speech,” and that Americans’ freedom of speech is protected online—even when that speech can be used to make a gun with just a few clicks....ITAR already has a long history of being used to threaten Americans who publish controversial code. In the 1990s, the same regulations were used to threaten cryptographers with prosecution for posting online the first freely available strong encryption tools. Under ITAR regulations, a piece of uncrackable crypto software like PGP was considered a military munition. PGP inventor Phil Zimmermann was even investigated by the Department of Justice for three years at the height of what has come to be known as the Crypto Wars. Wired article:http://www.wired.com/2015/05/3-d-printed-gun-lawsuit-starts-war-arms-control-free-speech/ Complaint:https://www.scribd.com/doc/264435890/Defense-Distributed-et-al-v-U-S-Dept-of-State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted July 1, 2015 at 02:44 AM Share Posted July 1, 2015 at 02:44 AM By merely posting a 3-D-printable file to a website, in other words, the DDTC claimed Defense Distributed had potentially violated arms export controls—just as if it had shipped a crate of AR-15s to, say, Mexico So now a bunch of 1's and 0's is a "weapon" when it is not even an executable. What a stretch. I'm surprised they didn't get busted under software export controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted July 1, 2015 at 12:44 PM Share Posted July 1, 2015 at 12:44 PM There are dozens DIY videos on YouTube on how to mill out an ar15 receiver blank. What a joke. Side note, milling out a blank is actually fairly straightforward provided you have a decent jig and tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted July 4, 2015 at 12:42 AM Share Posted July 4, 2015 at 12:42 AM There are dozens DIY videos on YouTube on how to mill out an ar15 receiver blank.What a joke.Side note, milling out a blank is actually fairly straightforward provided you have a decent jig and tools.What about Dremels? I've seen videos of people milling receivers with those, although they burn through a lot of bits along the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted July 4, 2015 at 03:44 AM Share Posted July 4, 2015 at 03:44 AM http://www.fireflyfans.net/bluesunimages/90534E518FD3F6B1DF54732CF7689642.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted July 4, 2015 at 04:05 AM Share Posted July 4, 2015 at 04:05 AM I have had people from foreign countries contact me asking to build them targets. My reply, "NOPE!" Maybe some other more experienced with Class III SOT licenses can chime in, but I think the State Department makes you pay a yearly ITAR fee even though you are not shipping gun parts and suppressors overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuangTzu Posted July 8, 2015 at 02:10 AM Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 at 02:10 AM I wanted to edit the OP to add these links, but I somehow couldn't find the button for it... Filings can be found here: http://joshblackman.com/blog/about-josh/defense-distributed-v-u-s-department-of-state/ Of note, the government finally responded to DD's commodity jurisdiction requests after about two years. The government includes in the list of controlled munitions, the following (verbatim): The Liberator Pistol Data fileThe .22 Electric Data fileThe 5.56/.223 Muzzle Brake Data fileThe Springfield XD-40 Tactical Slide Assembly Data fileThe 12 Gauge to .22 CB Sub-Caliber insert Data fileThe VZ-58 Front Sight Data fileThe government's response to the motion for summary judgement includes a lot of weird stuff, including the notion that "CAD files unquestionably control the functioning of a 3D printer and cause it to manufacture firearms." And that, the CAD files are not purely informational. [if any of you have used a 3D printer, you know that the design file needs to be exported into a certain intermediate, lossy format first, and that a second piece of software made for the 3D printer then takes that intermediate file and uses it to create a set of directions that the 3D printer uses to create the part. This second piece of software requires the user to have some skill and enter appropriate values to be used in generating the directions so that the part actually comes out...] Here's their response: http://www.scribd.com/doc/268312243/2015-06-10-D32-Defts-Opp-to-D7-Pltfs-Mot-for-PI And the plaintif's reply to the defendent's objection: http://www.scribd.com/doc/269766078/2015-06-24-D37-Pltfs-Reply-to-Defs-Opp-to-Mot-for-PI Some tid-bits: "As Justice Stewart recognized in the “Pentagon Papers” case, a prior restraint is justifiedonly where the disclosure will “surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable damage to our Nation or its people.” New York Times v. United States, 403 U.S. 713, 730 (1971) (Stewart, J.,concurring) (emphasis added). Defendants’ alleged national security and foreign policy harmsare indirect, indeterminate, and speculative. They do not even come close to meeting thethreshold identified by the Supreme Court in the Pentagon Papers case, where the nationalsecurity implications were far more concrete and actionable than anything identified in this case." ... "With respect to step-two of the Second Amendment inquiry, Defendants assume without discussion that intermediate scrutiny would apply. Why? Their action impedes the exercise of core Second Amendment rights by responsible, law-abiding Americans. And even under intermediate scrutiny, Defendants barely attempt to show why such a breathtakingly radicalrestriction—banishing all firearms-related technical data from the Internet—would constitutionally “fit” their interests." ... "Defendants’ surreal construction of the term “export” cannot be reconciled with the First Amendment’s protection of speech that is accessible to foreign persons—even if it affects national security. Under Defendants’ view, the State Department could require the New York Times to seek permission to “export” the Pentagon Papers—also known as publishing a newspaper—lest a foreigner read the article over the shoulder of a U.S. citizen. " Looks like there was a hearing for the motion for summary judgement yesterday. Does anyone know where I can find the audio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuangTzu Posted July 11, 2015 at 06:10 AM Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 at 06:10 AM Can anyone help me find the audio of the hearing (or at least a transcript)...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted July 11, 2015 at 12:59 PM Share Posted July 11, 2015 at 12:59 PM Hey, bro, I have Nolo and Mark Larue chiming in on my thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1767158_Defense_Distributed_et_al_vs__U_S__Dept__of_State__transcript_or_audio_of_hearing_.html Nolo is the guy spearheading the repeal, basically, of the 1986 Hughes amendment to the FOPA. That part of FOPA basically "banned"* full auto machine guns. And Mark Larue...you know him...he's the dude who makes awesome AR's and scope mounts. * = my caveat for basically describing what is in effect a ban in layman's terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuangTzu Posted August 6, 2015 at 01:01 PM Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 at 01:01 PM Preliminary injunction denied: http://www.scribd.com/doc/273644009/43-Order-Denying-Preliminary-Injunction-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuangTzu Posted August 18, 2015 at 11:30 PM Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 at 11:30 PM This is getting even more interesting. Here is the individual defendants' motion to dismiss. http://www.scribd.com/doc/274408030/Individual-Defendants-Motion-to-Dismiss I didn't catch this before, but DD is sueing 4 federal agents personally for damages. DD also appealed the denial of their motion for preliminary injunction: http://www.scribd.com/doc/274489355/Defense-Distributed-v-Department-of-State-Notice-of-Appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuangTzu Posted August 24, 2015 at 04:01 AM Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 at 04:01 AM First amended complaint: http://www.scribd.com/doc/275527900/Defense-Distributed-v-Department-of-State-Amended-Complaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuangTzu Posted June 8, 2016 at 03:17 AM Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 at 03:17 AM A lot of other stuff has happened since my last update. But here is the audio of yesterday's hearing in the 5th circuit... http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/OralArgRecordings/15/15-50759_6-6-2016.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted June 8, 2016 at 06:49 PM Share Posted June 8, 2016 at 06:49 PM A lot of other stuff has happened since my last update. But here is the audio of yesterday's hearing in the 5th circuit... http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/OralArgRecordings/15/15-50759_6-6-2016.mp3Sounds to me like the judges were skeptical of the claim this could be censored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted June 9, 2016 at 04:44 PM Share Posted June 9, 2016 at 04:44 PM Deleted (erroneous post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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