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#691 borgranta

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 12:16 AM

Here's an idea for them.Since it's ok to just change the acceptible-states list at will, just change the list to green light all the states where the plantiffs live. Then they can go to the court and say, case is moot. Then a year from now, change the list back and revoke any licenses from those states. Problem solved. I'm surprised the dedicated and helpful public servants in the IL AG and ISP legal haven't thought of that yet.

Such a stunt would probably result in the state being held in contempt for perpetrating a fraud on the 7th circuit. Such a stunt would definitely prove to the 7th circuit that all their justifications are lies.
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Posted 24 February 2018 - 10:26 AM

Here's an idea for them.Since it's ok to just change the acceptible-states list at will, just change the list to green light all the states where the plantiffs live. Then they can go to the court and say, case is moot. Then a year from now, change the list back and revoke any licenses from those states. Problem solved. I'm surprised the dedicated and helpful public servants in the IL AG and ISP legal haven't thought of that yet.

Such a stunt would probably result in the state being held in contempt for perpetrating a fraud on the 7th circuit. Such a stunt would definitely prove to the 7th circuit that all their justifications are lies.

Would probably take a motion from Plaintiff's counsel and the court would issue a show cause order. That would definitely piss off the Court, though.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 11:04 AM

Amazing. Despite the court’s caution that their docket is open and briefings are expected to continue as scheduled, Lisa Madigan et al just asked for a FOURTH extension to file their brief (April 9). The court hasn’t posted its response yet.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 11:06 AM

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 11:09 AM

Amazing. Despite the court’s caution that their docket is open and briefings are expected to continue as scheduled, Lisa Madigan et al just asked for a FOURTH extension to file their brief (April 9). The court hasn’t posted its response yet.

I'm sure she has a good reason.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 02:44 PM

CA7 is standing up.

 

Granted the Extension to April 9 with Appellants to April 28 but then noted "No further extensions of time will be allowed, except in extraordinary circumstances"



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:00 PM

Amazing. Despite the court’s caution that their docket is open and briefings are expected to continue as scheduled, Lisa Madigan et al just asked for a FOURTH extension to file their brief (April 9). The court hasn’t posted its response yet.

I'm sure she has a good reason.

They probably lost their crayon sharpener.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:15 PM

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:25 PM

I remember when the law was passed many of us thought the Illinois permit would be honored in almost all other states but that is not the case.  That was the thought because of the totally excessive amount of training required.

That was only a thought if one had not actually looked at recognition/reciprocity before.

If so one would have known about the significant number of states that only do actual reciprocity, either via formal agreements or analysis. Since Illinois doesn't offer full recognition to anyone, none of those states would be possible.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 10:50 PM

Can someone post the document where state says why their homework is late.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:49 AM

Attached File  21 - motion for extension #4.pdf   72.96KB   83 downloads
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:25 PM

Maybe if the state wasn't so diligent at infringing on citizens rights, they wouldn't have so many cases before the supreme court. Just an idea.

Edited by Gamma, 02 March 2018 - 03:35 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:29 AM

There's NO good reason to delay fully briefing and hearing this appeal. I've been following this lawsuit since day one and...the motto of the Seventh Circuit is "justice delayed is justice denied." Not kidding. So if they put their money where their mouth(s) are, deny the motion and tell the state that they will not have a brief if it is not filed on time. Boo boo.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:13 AM

So wonder if we will get filling on Monday or a new delay?

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 04:14 PM

So wonder if we will get filling on Monday or a new delay?


It would really surprise me if the State attempted to extend. The court has already stated “no further extensions... except in extraordinary circumstances,” and if they had planned to request an extension it must have been filed at least 7 days before the due date. That didn’t happen, so I would expect to see a filing on Monday.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 12:19 PM

Well Today is the day.  Lets see what we get for our reading enjoyment.   



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Posted 09 April 2018 - 03:14 PM

Well Today is the day.  Lets see what we get for our reading enjoyment.

Enjoy! Brief is attached.

Attached File  26 - Defendants-Appellees Brief.pdf   292.85KB   136 downloads

Edited by kwc, 09 April 2018 - 03:14 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 04:43 PM

 

Well Today is the day.  Lets see what we get for our reading enjoyment.

Enjoy! Brief is attached.

attachicon.gif26 - Defendants-Appellees Brief.pdf

 

I get a  message the file is damaged. Both Chrome and Adobe Reader can't open it.

 

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 04:48 PM

I get a  message the file is damaged. Both Chrome and Adobe Reader can't open it.
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Here is an alternate link:

http://morsel.info/w...llees-Brief.pdf

Edited by kwc, 09 April 2018 - 04:50 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 04:50 PM

 

I get a  message the file is damaged. Both Chrome and Adobe Reader can't open it.
Eugene


Here is an alternate link:

http://morsel.info/w...llees-Brief.pdf

 

Thank you.

 

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 03:36 PM

So, what is the analysis for the filing? Is the brief loaded with cr@p?


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:21 AM

So, what is the analysis for the filing? Is the brief loaded with cr@p?

Basically. They still say it's not a ban just because 4 states' residents can obtain permits. It's essentially the same thinking as a may-issue scheme, that rationing rights is a fulfillment of the right. Unfortunately the Culp I opinion basically let that happen.



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 05:32 AM

They're not asking anything more of nonresidents than they are of residents and that they cannot vet the mental health of nonresidents.  They haven't yet figured out that they cannot do that even for Illinois residents because nothing prevents them from leaving the state to seek treatment elsewhere.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 06:00 PM

Looks like this lawsuit caught Bloombergs attention. An attorney (Deepak Gupta) representing Everytown for Gun Safety just filed a disclosure statement (attached).

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 06:34 PM

They're not asking anything more of nonresidents than they are of residents and that they cannot vet the mental health of nonresidents.  They haven't yet figured out that they cannot do that even for Illinois residents because nothing prevents them from leaving the state to seek treatment elsewhere.

They have predicated a fundamental civil right on the illusion of being able to prove a negative with 100% certainty, which cannot be done.

They have chosen a regulatory scheme that they admittedly are unable to complete, and the response is to simply deny the civil rights of the people they can't regulate to their own satisfaction.

How any court could let this stand is beyond me.
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 06:37 PM

So, what is the analysis for the filing? Is the brief loaded with cr@p?

My reading of it, is it's a very long winded recitation of everything that has transpired so far in the case, and then "you should let us have our way, because people with guns scare us".
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 07:15 PM

So, what is the analysis for the filing? Is the brief loaded with cr@p?

My reading of it, is it's a very long winded recitation of everything that has transpired so far in the case, and then "you should let us have our way, because people with guns scare us".


Well, given that their "argument" to maintain the ban on CCW consisted of:

1) It might make the public safer (but provided no statistical proof)
2) Because it's not nonsensical
3) Because we can

is it surprising?
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:56 PM

According to the court’s docket, the “Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence” just submitted an amicus brief. Once approved by the court it will be posted for public review. I’ll upload it here when available.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:45 PM

Everytown for Gun Safety filed an amicus brief today, too. It requires court review before it is available to the public as well.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 05:23 AM

Anyone filed briefs on your behalf?
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