Glock23 Posted October 6, 2017 at 10:34 PM Share Posted October 6, 2017 at 10:34 PM There's a big difference in not having a problem with something's prohibition and turning in those who would disobey. Nice judgement, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted October 6, 2017 at 11:51 PM Share Posted October 6, 2017 at 11:51 PM No harm comes from following the 'spirit' of a law. There seem to always be 'that' group of folks who just HAVE to push the boundaries and stretch them to the breaking point of reason. IMHO one such bunch created the slide-fire/bump-fire devices to thumb their collective noses at the BATF and full auto firearm regs. Once a maniac acquired them however, the joke ceased being funny and the relatively useless devices WILL pay the price along with any groups or individuals who attempt to support them. I think if the spirit of the law was to prohibit possession of any firearm that fires quickly like full auto, Congress would have included Gatling guns in the original prohibition. To my knowledge they were not included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT1 Posted October 7, 2017 at 12:04 AM Share Posted October 7, 2017 at 12:04 AM Optics?Here are the optics as I see them, the NRA, GOP led congress, and an administration the ran partially on a pro-2A platform is likely to approve and sign the first gun control legislation that made it to the oval office in decades. My NRA membership is up, not another dime from me. They can optic that right up their you know what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted October 7, 2017 at 01:02 AM Share Posted October 7, 2017 at 01:02 AM I dont own any of those pos bump stocks...but some of you are a gestapo wet dream...how many jews would you have turned in cause you felt the spirit of the nurenberg laws was not being followed cause old lady johnson was hiding jews in her cellar...None. You've got to be kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted October 7, 2017 at 02:17 AM Share Posted October 7, 2017 at 02:17 AM No harm comes from following the 'spirit' of a law. There seem to always be 'that' group of folks who just HAVE to push the boundaries and stretch them to the breaking point of reason. IMHO one such bunch created the slide-fire/bump-fire devices to thumb their collective noses at the BATF and full auto firearm regs. Once a maniac acquired them however, the joke ceased being funny and the relatively useless devices WILL pay the price along with any groups or individuals who attempt to support them.The spirit of the citizen denied full auto law was the camels nose under the tent. It's intent was to start the disarming of America. There is nothing wrong with free people having full autos or any item. If the people can not be trusted, then those same people drawing a government pay check can not be trusted. Our founding fathers tried to keep the government from being an elite special privilege masters because they personally experienced this under a king. Our founding fathers knew the wisdom of owning canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF1984 Posted October 7, 2017 at 02:39 AM Share Posted October 7, 2017 at 02:39 AM No harm comes from following the 'spirit' of a law. There seem to always be 'that' group of folks who just HAVE to push the boundaries and stretch them to the breaking point of reason. IMHO one such bunch created the slide-fire/bump-fire devices to thumb their collective noses at the BATF and full auto firearm regs. Once a maniac acquired them however, the joke ceased being funny and the relatively useless devices WILL pay the price along with any groups or individuals who attempt to support them.The spirit of the citizen denied full auto law was the camels nose under the tent. It's intent was to start the disarming of America.There is nothing wrong with free people having full autos or any item. If the people can not be trusted, then those same people drawing a government pay check can not be trusted. Our founding fathers tried to keep the government from being an elite special privilege masters because they personally experienced this under a king. Our founding fathers knew the wisdom of owning canon. Our leaders, in theory, are drawn from the regular populace. If the "masters" are afforded rights and, by proxy "special" protections that the rest of us are not, the great experiment our founders set out to conduct has failed. Who is to blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted October 7, 2017 at 02:21 PM Share Posted October 7, 2017 at 02:21 PM It ought to be against the law to kill people. If we made that ilegal we wouldn't need any other restrictions on how it happens. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted October 7, 2017 at 05:57 PM Share Posted October 7, 2017 at 05:57 PM It's really disgusting to blame a piece of plastic for the deaths. It's a slippery slope and the NRA should argue that the bump fire stock makes the weapon inaccurate and more people would have died without it and they are used by millions of people for recreation and should not be blamed and banned for the actions of one criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted October 9, 2017 at 02:49 AM Share Posted October 9, 2017 at 02:49 AM · Hidden by mauserme, October 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, October 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM - No reason given IIRC, there was a method being touted to "fire faster" that didn't require any modifications. Your rifle was held at your hip with your off-hand holding the fore-end up. Then a wooden dowel about 8" long was put through the trigger guard and pushed into your hip. You fired by pulling the rifle forward with your off-hand, causing the dowel to press the trigger and the recoil making the gun rock back & forth, firing repeatedly.Accuracy was non-existent but you could send a fair amount of lead down range. Link to comment
TRJ Posted October 9, 2017 at 12:16 PM Share Posted October 9, 2017 at 12:16 PM · Hidden by mauserme, October 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, October 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM - No reason given IIRC, there was a method being touted to "fire faster" that didn't require any modifications. Your rifle was held at your hip with your off-hand holding the fore-end up. Then a wooden dowel about 8" long was put through the trigger guard and pushed into your hip. You fired by pulling the rifle forward with your off-hand, causing the dowel to press the trigger and the recoil making the gun rock back & forth, firing repeatedly.Accuracy was non-existent but you could send a fair amount of lead down range.Are you specifically trying to get semi-auto rifles banned? Think about it. Others read this forum. Link to comment
mauserme Posted October 9, 2017 at 01:01 PM Share Posted October 9, 2017 at 01:01 PM I removed a couple posts from view for the reason TRJ stated (good call). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted October 9, 2017 at 03:59 PM Share Posted October 9, 2017 at 03:59 PM He was a millionaire and was eligible and could afford automatic weapons. He would have killed a lot more people and legislation and ATF rule change would not have stopped him. It doesn't make sense that he used bump fire stocks and a lot of people who have experience with bump fire stocks are saying it sounded like an automatic weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted October 9, 2017 at 05:20 PM Share Posted October 9, 2017 at 05:20 PM Early on, one of the reports said there was at least one fully automatic rifle found in the room. That was before the bump stocks were revealed, though, so that might've been what it was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted October 9, 2017 at 08:48 PM Share Posted October 9, 2017 at 08:48 PM He was a millionaire and was eligible and could afford automatic weapons. He would have killed a lot more people and legislation and ATF rule change would not have stopped him. It doesn't make sense that he used bump fire stocks and a lot of people who have experience with bump fire stocks are saying it sounded like an automatic weapon.tbh with the $$$ that guy had I am surprised their were not any black market machine guns............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostholycerebus Posted October 12, 2017 at 01:54 AM Share Posted October 12, 2017 at 01:54 AM I hate bump fire stocks, I hate a lot of things, that doesn't mean the Givernement should be banning anything relate to our rights. If anything this should be the poster child for how gun control measures will never stop criminals, and we should repeal the GCA. Anyone willing to fold for this incrementalism is ignorant, a fool, or a traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted October 12, 2017 at 02:31 PM Share Posted October 12, 2017 at 02:31 PM Considering that you can bump fire with a stick or a finger . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted October 12, 2017 at 02:33 PM Share Posted October 12, 2017 at 02:33 PM Considering that you can bump fire with a stick or a finger . . . .That’s fine - your finger or a stick aren’t a commercial product designed to tweak the noses of the regulators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Pucker Posted October 12, 2017 at 04:06 PM Share Posted October 12, 2017 at 04:06 PM We're giving up the hill before the enemy even gets out of the truck. If there's a case to be made for restrictions, let them make it. Don't give away ground based on feelings. Another way to look at it is, the NRA is letting the air out of the truck's tires on its way up the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted October 12, 2017 at 06:45 PM Share Posted October 12, 2017 at 06:45 PM We're giving up the hill before the enemy even gets out of the truck. If there's a case to be made for restrictions, let them make it. Don't give away ground based on feelings. Another way to look at it is, the NRA is letting the air out of the truck's tires on its way up the hill. I thought that is what you do when you want to increase your traction on a slippery hill, so that more of the tire can rest on the ground and transfer more of the engine's power to a greater area, thus helping you get up the hill more effectively, if a bit slower. It looks like it would be unhelpful to an uninformed outsider, but in reality it is a subtle benefit to overcoming the obstacle. Or . . . is that what you mean by that analogy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted October 12, 2017 at 10:16 PM Share Posted October 12, 2017 at 10:16 PM NRA opposes Feinstein bumpstock bill: http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-opposes-new-bump-fire-stock-ban-bill/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarineVet Posted October 12, 2017 at 10:54 PM Share Posted October 12, 2017 at 10:54 PM And Feinstein opposes NRA calling out ATF to review bump stock for regulation... --------------------------- "Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.), who has introduced bills with similar wording in previous years, said calls from the NRA and others for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to reexamine the legality of bump fire stocks were not enough." "The ATF lacks authority under the law to ban bump fire stocks," Feinstein said. "Period. The agency made this crystal clear in a 2013 letter to Congress, writing that ‘stocks of this type are not subject to the provisions of federal firearms statutes.' Legislation is the only answer and Congress shouldn't attempt to pass the buck." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Pucker Posted October 13, 2017 at 03:58 PM Share Posted October 13, 2017 at 03:58 PM We're giving up the hill before the enemy even gets out of the truck. If there's a case to be made for restrictions, let them make it. Don't give away ground based on feelings. Another way to look at it is, the NRA is letting the air out of the truck's tires on its way up the hill. I thought that is what you do when you want to increase your traction on a slippery hill, so that more of the tire can rest on the ground and transfer more of the engine's power to a greater area, thus helping you get up the hill more effectively, if a bit slower. It looks like it would be unhelpful to an uninformed outsider, but in reality it is a subtle benefit to overcoming the obstacle. Or . . . is that what you mean by that analogy? Not hardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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