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ABC News: NRA Targets Bump Fire Stocks


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No harm comes from following the 'spirit' of a law. There seem to always be 'that' group of folks who just HAVE to push the boundaries and stretch them to the breaking point of reason. IMHO one such bunch created the slide-fire/bump-fire devices to thumb their collective noses at the BATF and full auto firearm regs. Once a maniac acquired them however, the joke ceased being funny and the relatively useless devices WILL pay the price along with any groups or individuals who attempt to support them.

I think if the spirit of the law was to prohibit possession of any firearm that fires quickly like full auto, Congress would have included Gatling guns in the original prohibition.

 

To my knowledge they were not included.

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Optics?
Here are the optics as I see them, the NRA, GOP led congress, and an administration the ran partially on a pro-2A platform is likely to approve and sign the first gun control legislation that made it to the oval office in decades. My NRA membership is up, not another dime from me. They can optic that right up their you know what. :thinking:

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No harm comes from following the 'spirit' of a law. There seem to always be 'that' group of folks who just HAVE to push the boundaries and stretch them to the breaking point of reason. IMHO one such bunch created the slide-fire/bump-fire devices to thumb their collective noses at the BATF and full auto firearm regs. Once a maniac acquired them however, the joke ceased being funny and the relatively useless devices WILL pay the price along with any groups or individuals who attempt to support them.

The spirit of the citizen denied full auto law was the camels nose under the tent. It's intent was to start the disarming of America.

There is nothing wrong with free people having full autos or any item. If the people can not be trusted, then those same people drawing a government pay check can not be trusted. Our founding fathers tried to keep the government from being an elite special privilege masters because they personally experienced this under a king. Our founding fathers knew the wisdom of owning canon.

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No harm comes from following the 'spirit' of a law. There seem to always be 'that' group of folks who just HAVE to push the boundaries and stretch them to the breaking point of reason. IMHO one such bunch created the slide-fire/bump-fire devices to thumb their collective noses at the BATF and full auto firearm regs. Once a maniac acquired them however, the joke ceased being funny and the relatively useless devices WILL pay the price along with any groups or individuals who attempt to support them.

The spirit of the citizen denied full auto law was the camels nose under the tent. It's intent was to start the disarming of America.

There is nothing wrong with free people having full autos or any item. If the people can not be trusted, then those same people drawing a government pay check can not be trusted. Our founding fathers tried to keep the government from being an elite special privilege masters because they personally experienced this under a king. Our founding fathers knew the wisdom of owning canon.

 

Our leaders, in theory, are drawn from the regular populace. If the "masters" are afforded rights and, by proxy "special" protections that the rest of us are not, the great experiment our founders set out to conduct has failed. Who is to blame?

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It's really disgusting to blame a piece of plastic for the deaths. It's a slippery slope and the NRA should argue that the bump fire stock makes the weapon inaccurate and more people would have died without it and they are used by millions of people for recreation and should not be blamed and banned for the actions of one criminal.
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Posted · Hidden by mauserme, October 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM - No reason given
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IIRC, there was a method being touted to "fire faster" that didn't require any modifications. Your rifle was held at your hip with your off-hand holding the fore-end up. Then a wooden dowel about 8" long was put through the trigger guard and pushed into your hip. You fired by pulling the rifle forward with your off-hand, causing the dowel to press the trigger and the recoil making the gun rock back & forth, firing repeatedly.

Accuracy was non-existent but you could send a fair amount of lead down range.

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Posted · Hidden by mauserme, October 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM - No reason given
Hidden by mauserme, October 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM - No reason given

IIRC, there was a method being touted to "fire faster" that didn't require any modifications. Your rifle was held at your hip with your off-hand holding the fore-end up. Then a wooden dowel about 8" long was put through the trigger guard and pushed into your hip. You fired by pulling the rifle forward with your off-hand, causing the dowel to press the trigger and the recoil making the gun rock back & forth, firing repeatedly.

Accuracy was non-existent but you could send a fair amount of lead down range.

Are you specifically trying to get semi-auto rifles banned? Think about it. Others read this forum.

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He was a millionaire and was eligible and could afford automatic weapons. He would have killed a lot more people and legislation and ATF rule change would not have stopped him. It doesn't make sense that he used bump fire stocks and a lot of people who have experience with bump fire stocks are saying it sounded like an automatic weapon.
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He was a millionaire and was eligible and could afford automatic weapons. He would have killed a lot more people and legislation and ATF rule change would not have stopped him. It doesn't make sense that he used bump fire stocks and a lot of people who have experience with bump fire stocks are saying it sounded like an automatic weapon.

tbh with the $$$ that guy had I am surprised their were not any black market machine guns.............

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I hate bump fire stocks, I hate a lot of things, that doesn't mean the Givernement should be banning anything relate to our rights. If anything this should be the poster child for how gun control measures will never stop criminals, and we should repeal the GCA.

 

Anyone willing to fold for this incrementalism is ignorant, a fool, or a traitor.

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We're giving up the hill before the enemy even gets out of the truck. If there's a case to be made for restrictions, let them make it. Don't give away ground based on feelings.

 

 

Another way to look at it is, the NRA is letting the air out of the truck's tires on its way up the hill.

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We're giving up the hill before the enemy even gets out of the truck. If there's a case to be made for restrictions, let them make it. Don't give away ground based on feelings.

 

 

Another way to look at it is, the NRA is letting the air out of the truck's tires on its way up the hill.

 

 

I thought that is what you do when you want to increase your traction on a slippery hill, so that more of the tire can rest on the ground and transfer more of the engine's power to a greater area, thus helping you get up the hill more effectively, if a bit slower. It looks like it would be unhelpful to an uninformed outsider, but in reality it is a subtle benefit to overcoming the obstacle.

 

Or . . . is that what you mean by that analogy?

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And Feinstein opposes NRA calling out ATF to review bump stock for regulation...

 

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"Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.), who has introduced bills with similar wording in previous years, said calls from the NRA and others for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to reexamine the legality of bump fire stocks were not enough."

 

"The ATF lacks authority under the law to ban bump fire stocks," Feinstein said. "Period. The agency made this crystal clear in a 2013 letter to Congress, writing that ‘stocks of this type are not subject to the provisions of federal firearms statutes.' Legislation is the only answer and Congress shouldn't attempt to pass the buck."

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We're giving up the hill before the enemy even gets out of the truck. If there's a case to be made for restrictions, let them make it. Don't give away ground based on feelings.

 

 

Another way to look at it is, the NRA is letting the air out of the truck's tires on its way up the hill.

 

 

I thought that is what you do when you want to increase your traction on a slippery hill, so that more of the tire can rest on the ground and transfer more of the engine's power to a greater area, thus helping you get up the hill more effectively, if a bit slower. It looks like it would be unhelpful to an uninformed outsider, but in reality it is a subtle benefit to overcoming the obstacle.

 

Or . . . is that what you mean by that analogy?

 

 

Not hardly.

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