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Kel-Tec RDB-S: Chicago/Cook Country friendly, or AWB-banned?


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Kel-Tec is going to be coming out this spring with a nifty-seeming little 5.56 bullpup rifle that looks rather interesting. It definitely seems that it's meant to not appear as a "scawwy bwack wifle, oooooooh!" but rather a handy survival/backpacking firearm.

 

Here is a review of it on AllOutdoor.com.

 

http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/keltec_RDB-S_Irons_2029web-768x225.jpg

 

However, given what we know about the idiocy of both Chicago and Cook County where anything that "shoots evil baby-murdering death pellets," does this avoid being arbitrarily and stupidly banned by the current AWBs?

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I can't remember the details of the Cook Co or Chicago AWB, but I think the collapsible stock might be one strike against this rifle.

 

The front sight on that rifle looks incredibly awkward and fragile the way is it attached to the barrel. Doesn't seem as sturdy as the AR front sight.

 

I'd be interested to see one of these in person, or hear feedback from someone who has fired one. It certainly has its appeal as a compact survival rifle.

 

 

-- Frank

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I can't remember the details of the Cook Co or Chicago AWB, but I think the collapsible stock might be one strike against this rifle.

 

The front sight on that rifle looks incredibly awkward and fragile the way is it attached to the barrel. Doesn't seem as sturdy as the AR front sight.

 

I'd be interested to see one of these in person, or hear feedback from someone who has fired one. It certainly has its appeal as a compact survival rifle.

 

 

-- Frank

 

That was what I was thinking, but regular hunting rifles have adjustable stocks, and this one seems to be for the purpose of creating more of a customization similar to that, rather than the evil assault weapon for kid-murdering.

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I always keep these handy:

(16).

Assault weapon means any of the following, regardless of the caliber of ammunition accepted:

(a) (1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(A) a folding, telescoping or detachable stock;

 

(4) folding, telescoping, or detachable stock means a stock that folds, telescopes, detaches or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise to enhance the concealability, of a firearm.

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I always keep these handy:

(16).

Assault weapon means any of the following, regardless of the caliber of ammunition accepted:

(a) (1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(A) a folding, telescoping or detachable stock;

 

(4) folding, telescoping, or detachable stock means a stock that folds, telescopes, detaches or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise to enhance the concealability, of a firearm.

 

Well, that's annoying.

 

What if I do something to fix the telescoping stock in place, at full extension? Would that obviate that?

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If you can change it to "make it legal" , you can just as easily change it back. This firearm has an additional strike against it: the review you posted mentioned how you can easily change the furniture to give it a pistol grip, another no-no.

Constructive intent is pretty hard to prove on a federal level, let alone on a municipal ordinance.

 

The problem with ATF laws is they are rediculous to start with, add these municipal ordinances and its a whole legal framework of silliness.

 

If you want the Keltec, get it, make the stock fixed and call it a day. Not legal advice, just what I would do. You've complied with the letter of the law.

 

The ordinance also states no detachable stocks, tell me one rifle where the stock is not removable from the receiver (the part that's that gun).

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If you can change it to "make it legal" , you can just as easily change it back. This firearm has an additional strike against it: the review you posted mentioned how you can easily change the furniture to give it a pistol grip, another no-no.

Constructive intent is pretty hard to prove on a federal level, let alone on a municipal ordinance.

 

The problem with ATF laws is they are rediculous to start with, add these municipal ordinances and its a whole legal framework of silliness.

 

If you want the Keltec, get it, make the stock fixed and call it a day. Not legal advice, just what I would do. You've complied with the letter of the law.

 

The ordinance also states no detachable stocks, tell me one rifle where the stock is not removable from the receiver (the part that's that gun).

 

 

I think that's the way I might go, if not just find a lawyer and challenge the ban.

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Well, we're all looking for that clean (no other laws being broken) test case that pokes all sorts of holes in these bans. I've yet to see a legal case that clarifies any of these rediculous laws. Detachable stocks, barrel shrouds, derivatives of named xxxx gun, but not xxxx gun, etc. Even "high capacity magazine" is tough to prove unless those rounds are in that magazine to prove its capable of breaking the ordinance.
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Like I said, most of these will crumble under any real legal scrutiny so buy it and if you get it taken lawyer up and do us all a favor.

 

Just don't get caught with drugs, drunk driving, or committing any other crime.

 

The "otherwise" is a catchall of any other technology then folding, detaching, or telescoping. Like if I invented an inflatable stock. That would be included as "otherwise enhancing the concealability" even though it doesn't fold, telescope, or detach.

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