JB not only wants our guns - he wants to track our driving

[BigJim]

Would the tracking device be able to differentiate between miles driven in Illinois versus miles driven in other states? How will they audit your use of the tracker? What's to keep me from disconnecting it for a week or two every month? How long until third parties start requesting your travel data (you can bet the state will sell it to whomever is willing to pay for it)? Will LE be required to get a warrant to access your travel data or will the state simply hand it over whenever asked?

 

So many questions.

[richp]

Hi Bigjim,

 

GPS could be programmed for state boundaries. And court cases would resolve the issues about who can access the data and for what reasons. Lots of money for lawyers in certain areas of the law.

 

Look for some connected outfit to design and sell to the state a license plate that has the GPS built into it, tapping off the power in the tail lamp that illuminates the plate. You have to have plates to be legally on the road, so you are trapped into the new revenue scam.

 

Not this year or next year, but this will have to be fought off at some point.

 

FWIW.

 

Rich Phillips

[sctman800]

I believe I heard something abouta few states that already do this and California has the chip built intoyour license plate. So, we would all pretty much be screwed like Rich said you have to have plates to drive on public roads. Makes me wonder how much time and money it would take to implement all this, then what time period to pay for all this expense. I would guess it would be several years. Then again if the state would hire the same outfit that did the web site for CCW it will be a lot of years. Jim.

[Flynn]

If Ilinois goes down this route, I will incorporate a LLC out of state, have it buy a corporate vehicle or two and license it in whatever state I incorporate, slap a small company vinyl on the door and drive my new company car.

[GWBH]

I believe I heard something abouta few states that already do this and California has the chip built intoyour license plate. So, we would all pretty much be screwed like Rich said you have to have plates to drive on public roads. Makes me wonder how much time and money it would take to implement all this, then what time period to pay for all this expense. I would guess it would be several years. Then again if the state would hire the same outfit that did the web site for CCW it will be a lot of years. Jim.

I'm glad I saved all those old license plates!!

If the citizens of Illinois put up with this nonsense, there is absolutely no hope for the Land of Lincoln.

[GWBH]

 

 

 

[soylentgreen]

 

If the citizens of Illinois put up with this nonsense, there is absolutely no hope for the Land of Lincoln.

 

 

Hahahaahahahahahahha.

 

The "citizens" of this state won't only "put up" with it....they will actively promote it.

[GWBH]

 

 

If the citizens of Illinois put up with this nonsense, there is absolutely no hope for the Land of Lincoln.

 

 

Hahahaahahahahahahha.

 

The "citizens" of this state won't only "put up" with it....they will actively promote it.

 

Hey... watch it bub!

Can't I even dream out loud!

[InterestedBystander]

Washington state was planned to do a 2000 person pilot this year.

 

Per wikipedia

..."In the United States, a VMT fee currently exists as part of a limited program for 5,000 volunteers in Oregon and for trucks in Illinois.[3][4] Internationally, Germany, Austria, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Belgium, Russia and Switzerland have implemented various forms of VMT fees, limited to trucks. New Zealand also has such a system applying to all heavy vehicles and diesel-powered cars, known locally as a Road User Charge. Bulgaria has a truck based system under development."...

 

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/vehicles/cft/fees.html

[Raw Power]

Washington state was planned to do a 2000 person pilot this year.

 

Per wikipedia

..."In the United States, a VMT fee currently exists as part of a limited program for 5,000 volunteers in Oregon and for trucks in Illinois.[3][4] Internationally, Germany, Austria, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Belgium, Russia and Switzerland have implemented various forms of VMT fees, limited to trucks. New Zealand also has such a system applying to all heavy vehicles and diesel-powered cars, known locally as a Road User Charge. Bulgaria has a truck based system under development."...

 

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/vehicles/cft/fees.html

 

 

I'm sure it will help pay for the roads, just like the tolls were supposed to be temporary and to be used to help pay for schools.

 

We keep getting sold bridges to nowhere.

[Keith44]

I note that the question that was on the last statewide ballot (that passed with a large majority) regarding funds collected via the transportation taxes only being allowed to fund transportation related maintenance or improvements, appears to have had zero effect on the state financial situation or transportation...

 

-Keith.

[Windermere]

This is absolute bull****. I have to drive my personal car all day long for work. I’m going to have to negotiate a rental or company car.

 

I get a sick feeling in my stomach every time I see a jb add. The wife didn’t really think about politics and economics until we bought a house. I was able to turn a lightbulb on in her head.

 

Next step is to slowly work the idea of moving out of the state.

[jim123]

 

 

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/will-lawmakers-push-per-mile-driven-tax-in-illinois/

GEESH!! Why in the world would any working person vote Democratic???

 

because they are still drinking the make me stupid coolaid.

 

[springfield shooter]

^{I'll say this for Illinois: it makes St. Charles County, MO look better all the time.}

[SiliconSorcerer]

The roads have to be government supplied but they don't have to be socialist funded, pay for what you use. (gas tax) If they dump the gas tax, eliminate the tollways, and do it without a GPS (tracking) I'm all for it. Depending what "tracking" is, if it can only report distance between the two points, I don't care. I went 10 miles today from and where to no clue, unless your drive out one side of the state and back into the other who cares.

 

The liberal global warming nuts are driving around in the little wind up cars and the roads are free, why shouldn't they then think college and everything else shouldn't be as well?

 

Without an alternative solution they are going to jack up the gas tax until we all can no longer afford to drive our fossil fuel vehicles, there will be no money for roads and they will raise the income tax.

 

Hungry, pay for it.

Healthcare, pay for it.

College, pay for it.

Roads, pay for it.

[2A4Cook]

The roads have to be government supplied but they don't have to be socialist funded, pay for what you use. (gas tax) If they dump the gas tax, eliminate the tollways, and do it without a GPS (tracking) I'm all for it. Depending what "tracking" is, if it can only report distance between the two points, I don't care. I went 10 miles today from and where to no clue, unless your drive out one side of the state and back into the other who cares.

 

The liberal global warming nuts are driving around in the little wind up cars and the roads are free, why shouldn't they then think college and everything else shouldn't be as well?

 

Without an alternative solution they are going to jack up the gas tax until we all can no longer afford to drive our fossil fuel vehicles, there will be no money for roads and they will raise the income tax.

 

Hungry, pay for it.

Healthcare, pay for it.

College, pay for it.

Roads, pay for it.

 

Drive on a toll road -- triple taxed (toll, mileage and gas taxes). Drive in private lots or roads -- unlawful tax. The only way they can make it "work" is with a GPS, and only tax you when you are on a public, non-toll road. I cannot see the Supreme Court ruling that such a mandate wouldn't violate the Fourth Amendment. It's going nowhere, and they know it. It's being floated so that dummies will breathe a sigh of relief when they dump it in favor of higher gas taxes and tolls; the sheep will THANK them as heroes for raising their taxes. I'm willing to take bets on this.

[chancemccall]

Didn’t the Supreme Court rule that it was unconstitutional to have GPS trackers attached to vehicles without a warrant

 

Not if you give your permission, which of course they would require to register and license the vehicle. Remember that now you have to list your insurance carrier which you didn't have to do even a few years ago.

[agalloch07]

will not comply.

[GWBH]

 

Didn’t the Supreme Court rule that it was unconstitutional to have GPS trackers attached to vehicles without a warrant

 

Not if you give your permission, which of course they would require to register and license the vehicle. Remember that now you have to list your insurance carrier which you didn't have to do even a few years ago.

 

Last year, we forgot to put our insurance carrier on the registration renewal for my wife's SUV.

They sent us a renewal sticker anyway.

Soooo... this year as a test, we didn't list the carrier on ANY registration renewals - and got the stickers!!

They don't care if you have insurance or not - they just want your money.

 

BTW - I have my eye on a 2014 Quarter horse gelding - gets about 50 miles to a bale!!

[JDW]

Good early morning IC,

 

I hadn't heard about JB's latest GPS tax deal. I have had it up to here with this clown. A big wig politician I know pretty well gave me some of his "color" on what things may look like if JB wins. According to him, Madigan and Cullerton will be pulling all the strings and JB will be the Billionaire puppet master of these two corrupt machine tools. That alone scares the s*&^ out of me. It's getting real now, and even if it means battling with my better half, who btw, is no pushover, I'm outta here. Enough already.

 

Hope everyone had a great summer.

 

JDW

[Buzzard]

We have to drive 120 miles (one way) into Chicago every other week for the wife's cancer treatment.

 

And now they're gonna tax us to do it?

[bmyers]

^{I'll say this for Illinois: it makes St. Charles County, MO look better all the time.}

 

I'm with you. We were over in MO this weekend and discussed once again the possibility of relocating. Daughter is out of high school, so that is no longer an obstacle.

 

Although, unlike most of you, I drive less than 1.5 miles to work and my wife drives 5.5 miles to work. So combined in a day, we drive 14 miles total to and from work, which makes it hard to beat our present location until we retire.

[mikew]

We have to drive 120 miles (one way) into Chicago every other week for the wife's cancer treatment.

 

And now they're gonna tax us to do it?

They're wanting to tax you more.

[richp]

Hi,

 

Few people realize it, but we already are double taxed on highway fuel.

 

We pay the per gallon state/federal tax, as is done elsewhere. But we also pay sales tax on the total transaction, which I believe is a special Illinois privilege.

 

But in the aggregate, a docile population -- aided by corruption in the electoral process -- keeps putting Dems and Rinos in power.

 

Oh the joy of it!!!!

 

Rich Phillips

[BigJim]

will not comply.

Like I said, how are they going to enforce it? I can see them checking as part of emissions testing and even during a traffic stop but other than that how will they know if someone has disconnected it?

 

Someone said it could be built into a license plate and powered by the license plate light. This would mean having to cut and splice into your vehicle's wiring harness. This is an electric short waiting to happen. It would also make for a great excuse for a non-functioning tracker. "Well I'll be officer, check that out; the tape holding the wire for the tracker to the license plate wire fell off and the GPS wire became disconnected. I'll redo it when I get home unless you have some electrical tape on you so I can fix it now.".

[richp]

Hi Bigjim,

 

They would make it a ticketable offense to be on the road deactivated -- just like driving without plates, or driving with obscured plates. At the cop's discretion, of course, but still hanging over our heads if we had a genuine defect...

 

No doubt every cop car would eventually be equipped to read a transponder in the new plate gizmo, and if you tinkered with anything in that system, you would be cited.

 

Gotta prevent this, because after it is, in place there is no end to the mischief they can perpetrate.

 

FWIW.

 

Rich Phillips

[Glock23]

will not comply.

 

 

Like I said, how are they going to enforce it? I can see them checking as part of emissions testing and even during a traffic stop but other than that how will they know if someone has disconnected it?

 

Someone said it could be built into a license plate and powered by the license plate light. This would mean having to cut and splice into your vehicle's wiring harness. This is an electric short waiting to happen. It would also make for a great excuse for a non-functioning tracker. "Well I'll be officer, check that out; the tape holding the wire for the tracker to the license plate wire fell off and the GPS wire became disconnected. I'll redo it when I get home unless you have some electrical tape on you so I can fix it now.".

Only 10 counties in Illinois require emissions tests, so that's out. You also can't count on everyone being pulled over.

 

As this is a tax thing, it would have to be an annual check, at a minimum, so I see a couple options.

 

1. Counties that require emissions testing could add the test capability for this at the testing centers. Counties that don't could set up testing centers.

 

2. Provide a USB adapter so that people could unplug the device, hook it to a computer and upload their records.

 

3. They could simply take the easy route and require everyone pay the additional flat fee, rolled into registration costs.

 

Any testing options would have to have some sort of built in tamper protection, or a way to determine if the device had ever been unplugged.

 

Personally, I see option 3 as the most likely scenario.

[GWBH]

I wonder... would the state legislators and their families be exempt from such a device?

[GP4L]

I wonder... would the state legislators and their families be exempt from such a device?

I'll give ya two guesses to answer that question, but you'll only need one.

[richp]

Hi,

 

No new testing centers required. Cop cars could have rolling transponder readers -- just like they read you rolling on the tollways. That puts the tinkerers at risk every time they see a patrol vehicle. See a car with no transponder coming up on the screen, and hit the lights...

 

For the rest of us, thank everyone who has voted Democrat -- strengthening that party's hold on we who remain.

 

Oh yeah, and pay attention to which connected outfit gets the contracts for all this. Color me jaded and cynical.

 

Rich Phillips