Lets hope the judges are getting fed up with this.

#61
Posted 04 November 2015 - 04:48 PM
#62
Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:16 PM
How do I download the file?
#63
Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:18 PM
How do I download the file?
http://media.ca7.usc..._11_04_2015.mp3
I right clicked and saved audio file
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#64
Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:20 PM
I don't get that option with a right click . . .
#65
Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:24 PM
I don't get that option with a right click . . .
Right click on the link and save link as?
http://media.ca7.usc..._11_04_2015.mp3
Edited by POAT54, 04 November 2015 - 05:25 PM.
“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
― Benjamin Franklin
"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
#66
Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:42 PM
i found this so very entertaining. Is the city's lawyer still wet behind the ears? She sounded like a fetus. She lacked confidence, possibly because she knows they don't have a leg to stand on.
I loved hearing the question, "when people break in and steal guns from gun stores and ranges do they generally use them for additional crime just outside the door?"
#67
Posted 04 November 2015 - 06:42 PM
#68
Posted 04 November 2015 - 06:50 PM
I don't know how much you can read into this, but the judges really questioned Chicago's attorney at every step. Other than (feebly) trying to answer the judges' questions, she really couldn't make much of an argument. She ran out of time, and had to be given extra time for a rebuttal.
ON THE OTHER HAND...
Alan Gura was cool as a cucumber, answered questions easily, and got through his prepared arguments with time to spare. The judges really didn't challenge him on his arguments very much at all. He seemed well prepared for any line of questioning the panel threw at him. He seemed much smoother today than he did in Moore v. Madigan three and a half years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the panel hadn't already made their decision.
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#69
Posted 04 November 2015 - 06:52 PM
One question I did have after listening to this...
What the HECK is an ASSAULT RUFFLE?!?
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#70
Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:05 PM
One that has 10 or more pleats?One question I did have after listening to this...
What the HECK is an ASSAULT RUFFLE?!?
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#71
Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:04 PM
I wonder which former school buildings will be converted into ranges. The old Lafayette school would be a good place IMO.
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#72
Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:13 PM
I don't think we should count out the old Domonicks stores that were not bught out by Mariano's or Jewel.
Have all boated who fish?
Have all boated who fish?
#73
Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:43 PM
The judges did seem to get the fundamental point that Chicago wants to prevent, not regulate, the construction of ranges.
Ad utrumque paratus
#74
Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:44 PM
Hypothetically, if someone like Donald Trump becomes President and gets to nominate judges to the Supreme Court, could he nominate Alan Gura? You know, if Alan was willing to take such a pay cut?
Have all boated who fish?
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#75
Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:53 PM
I also couldn't help but notice the incredible void of firing ranges in the Ravenswood neighborhood.
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#76
Posted 04 November 2015 - 09:05 PM
I don't think we should count out the old Domonicks stores that were not bught out by Mariano's or Jewel.
I like the Dominic's idea. I've been told there was an indoor off hours range in the basement of Happy Foods at central and Peterson (?) back in the '70s.
#77
Posted 04 November 2015 - 11:12 PM
That audio transcript was sheer entertainment. I have to believe that Chicago will not win this.
The big question I have is what will the end result be if the judges rule in our favor?- Clearly shooting ranges in Chicago, but in what time frame? While within the courts power, I can't believe this will abolish all zoning ordinances as they relate to shooting ranges in Chicago. From a practical standpoint I would venture to guess that Chicago will be forced to lift the current zoning restrictions and redraft some less restrictive guidelines under a very stringent deadline (akin to 6 months IL had for CCW measures), or suffer some form of severe consequence.
Please weigh in as too what you would foresee judges instruct Chicago to do if they rule in our favor, and what kinds of consequence the city could potentially have for not meeting the directives.
Edited by ishootberetta, 04 November 2015 - 11:26 PM.
#78
Posted 04 November 2015 - 11:23 PM
Gura rocks.
The older female judge sounded like the stereotypical granny that should have her knitting with her.
The whole thing was highly entertaining to listen to!

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#79
Posted 04 November 2015 - 11:50 PM
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#80
Posted 05 November 2015 - 06:48 AM
One can only hope Highland Parks head litigator will be as inept if it goes to Scotus.
#81
Posted 05 November 2015 - 06:50 AM
#82
Posted 05 November 2015 - 08:55 AM
After a second run-through, I was encouraged to hear that the judges all appeared to have a clear understanding of what level of scrutiny was required and of how to apply it. In contrast, for example, with the trial judge and appellate panel for Friedman, who adopted their own idiosyncratic "no-scrutiny" approach.
Ad utrumque paratus
#83
Posted 05 November 2015 - 09:21 AM
Sounds good. The panel didn't seem to buy the city's arguments, and they seemed more to be coaching Mr Gura in order to get to the core of his argument.
HOWEVER, trying to guess a court's ruling BEFORE it is out is not a game I often win.
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#84
Posted 05 November 2015 - 01:39 PM
Maybe they'll re-open the ROTC rifle range in the basement of Lane Tech. If it's even still there. CPS run rifle ranges. More revenue. Hahahaha....
No, they wouldn't do that... Think of the children.....
#85
Posted 05 November 2015 - 01:54 PM
haha what if they force them to allow people to use the CPD ranges?
#86
Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:19 PM
If ranges are built in Chiraq how will persons wanting to get their license to own a gun be able to qualify?
Without a gun store attached how can they RENT a gun to qualify?
Will there need to be another long drawn out expensive court case taking another 4-6 years before any firearms stores are permitted to open their doors?
#87
Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:54 PM
License to own? Assuming you meant carry because you don't have to "qualify" for FOID.If ranges are built in Chiraq how will persons wanting to get their license to own a gun be able to qualify?
Without a gun store attached how can they RENT a gun to qualify?
Will there need to be another long drawn out expensive court case taking another 4-6 years before any firearms stores are permitted to open their doors?
The trainer could always bring sirt guns for practice in a classroom and then qualify them on loaners he brings with him.
Edited by TRJ, 05 November 2015 - 02:56 PM.
#88
Posted 05 November 2015 - 03:05 PM
License to own? Assuming you meant carry because you don't have to "qualify" for FOID.If ranges are built in Chiraq how will persons wanting to get their license to own a gun be able to qualify?
Without a gun store attached how can they RENT a gun to qualify?
Will there need to be another long drawn out expensive court case taking another 4-6 years before any firearms stores are permitted to open their doors?
The trainer could always bring sirt guns for practice in a classroom and then qualify them on loaners he brings with him.
IIRC that "license " was the reason Otis went all the way to SCOTUS before he could OWN a handgun.
#89
Posted 05 November 2015 - 04:19 PM
This was hilarious. I stayed up past my bedtime last night to play the whole thing and I'm sleepy today, but it was worth it!
The city attorney sounds like she doesn't want to be there at all. I'm sure she knows the whole thing is a charade, but she has Rahm shoving her from behind. Their argument was basically to keep repeating the same things the judges had torn apart again and again, without any evidence. The best part was when Gura brought up that the city's own witness said that the law was a piece of junk and should be rewritten. LOL
Edited by officedrone, 06 November 2015 - 09:33 AM.
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#90
Posted 05 November 2015 - 04:32 PM
This is fantastic. I was laughing so hard that I almost got a piece of burnt brisket ends lodged in my throat. Fortunately, I had some good beer to wash it down with!
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