chancemccall Posted October 4, 2019 at 04:08 AM Share Posted October 4, 2019 at 04:08 AM The Illinois state Joint Committee on Administrative Rules is in the process of imposing an additional, onerous layer of state licensing on federally licensed firearm dealers (Senate Bill 337). The proposed rules could potentially strangle your local gun stores with government red tape. Public comments against such oppression are due by October 7th. While the purported intent of this law was to enhance “responsible business practices,” its true intention is to shut down as many federally licensed firearm dealers (FFLs) as possible. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) already licenses and closely monitors all FFLs, while strictly enforcing any violation of federal law. SB 337 is not only unnecessary, but it expands mandatory regulations and red tape in order to force the closure of most firearm dealers (and prevent prospective owners from opening new ones). For example, the proposed rules would require licensed firearm dealers to install security systems rivaling those of most FDIC-insured banks and casinos. Another particularly expensive proposal would require the installation of license plate-reading cameras in parking lots 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That would not only require each dealer, regardless of how small the business, to purchase and install expensive high definition cameras complete with night vision or strong lighting. Expensive storage for the video data would be required as well, assuming such bandwidth is even available within our smaller communities. After stoking hostility to the Second Amendment among larger national retailers, these same politicians are now hoping to shutter the smaller, independently owned businesses within our local community. By forcing local gun shops to collapse under the weight of government red tape, Senate Bill 337 would ultimately put commonly used firearms and ammunition out of reach for many law-abiding citizens, especially in rural areas. Please contact the committee and tell them enough is enough. Do not let them curb your freedoms by putting your local gun stores out of business. It is important to know that all they are allowed to consider as a reason for rejecting these rules is the impact it would have on small business. They cannot consider 2nd Amendment issues as a basis for rejecting these rules. Joint Committee on Administrative Rules: Co-Chairman Sen. Don Harmon 217-782-8176Co-Chairman Rep. Keith Wheeler 217-782-1486Sen. Kimberly Lightford 217-782-8505Sen. Tony Munoz 217-782-9415Sen. Sue Rezin 217-782-3840Sen. Paul Schimpf 217-782-8137 (pro gun)Sen. Chuck Weaver 217-782-1942 (pro gun)Rep. Tom Demmer 217-782-0535 (pro gun)Rep. Mike Halpin 217-782-3835Rep. Frances Ann Hurley 217-782-8200Rep. Steven Reick 217-782-1717Rep. Andre Thapedi 217-782-1702 Please bear in mind that several of the JCAR members are on our side, but it takes a majority vote to reject the rules that were written by the Illinois State Police at the direction of the Governor. To the best of my knowledge, the only pro gun organization to have filed a protest with JCAR is Guns Save Lives. They have detailed information on the JCAR process and suggestions for individuals to file a protest against these new rules on their website. The deadline to do so is 4 PM Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted October 4, 2019 at 04:56 AM Share Posted October 4, 2019 at 04:56 AM There are several errors within the opening post. First, this is the first posting of the proposed rules. Responses and comments are to be submitted to the ISP Firearm Services Chief Legal Counsel Matthew RentschlerDepartment of State Police801 S. Seventh St., Suite 1000-SSpringfield, IL 62703 They may also be emailed to: ISP.Rulemaking@illinois.gov The ISP will then review the rules and have the option to amend them. The deadline for submitting comments is Monday, Oct. 7th at the close of business. All the major Second Amendment groups are submitting comments. The rules - hopefully amended after a review of the submitted comments - will then be posted a second time. At that time, public comments may be submitted to the members of JCAR . There are several things JCAR can consider when voting to accept or reject proposed rules:JCAR can determine the proposed rulemaking is not consistent with statute, exceeds the authority granted by the General Assembly, has an adverse economic impact on small businesses, small municipalities, and non-profit organizations, or fails to meet some other standard established by the IAPA, or that the rulemaking process failed to meet the requirements of the IAPA. And as an added note, public hearings have been requested as well as an analysis of financial impact on the businesses regulated by these rules. We are waiting to hear if and when these hearings will take place. There is plenty of reason to be very concerned, but let's keep things in the proper order and respond correctly to the right people at the right time. http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/ILRulemakingProcess.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted October 4, 2019 at 05:06 AM Share Posted October 4, 2019 at 05:06 AM FFL-Illinois has also requested for public hearings to be held. Have not seen any info on dates though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted October 4, 2019 at 01:44 PM Share Posted October 4, 2019 at 01:44 PM It's my understanding that the opening post, expect for the last two sentences after the listing of the legislators, is an NRA-ILA alert from last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted October 4, 2019 at 02:05 PM Share Posted October 4, 2019 at 02:05 PM It's my understanding that the opening post, expect for the last two sentences after the listing of the legislators, is an NRA-ILA alert from last night.Someone should have a conversation with them about how this process works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chancemccall Posted October 5, 2019 at 02:03 AM Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 at 02:03 AM It's my understanding that the opening post, expect for the last two sentences after the listing of the legislators, is an NRA-ILA alert from last night. You are correct. I used mostly their alert because I am swamped with my work and I am fairly fed up that most of the gun organizations have not been doing much, if anything, about this opportunity. Despite a joint meeting several months ago, only GSL has put any hard work into using JACAR to help deal with this new dealer licensing law. I apologize for any mistakes I carried forward from the NRA missive. I'm embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted October 5, 2019 at 02:53 AM Share Posted October 5, 2019 at 02:53 AM It's my understanding that the opening post, expect for the last two sentences after the listing of the legislators, is an NRA-ILA alert from last night. You are correct. I used mostly their alert because I am swamped with my work and I am fairly fed up that most of the gun organizations have not been doing much, if anything, about this opportunity. Despite a joint meeting several months ago, only GSL has put any hard work into using JACAR to help deal with this new dealer licensing law. I apologize for any mistakes I carried forward from the NRA missive. I'm embarrassed. I don't know where you are getting your information but you are very, very wrong about only one group having put in any hard work on this issue. VERY wrong. Lots of people are working very hard on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchDoctor Posted October 5, 2019 at 05:43 AM Share Posted October 5, 2019 at 05:43 AM Don't be ashmed. Just get your facts in order and soldier on.Many groups are represented here on I.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted October 5, 2019 at 02:31 PM Share Posted October 5, 2019 at 02:31 PM It's my understanding that the opening post, expect for the last two sentences after the listing of the legislators, is an NRA-ILA alert from last night. Someone should have a conversation with them about how this process works.Sounds like the fund raising letters they send out with half facts to scare members into donating. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted October 5, 2019 at 06:30 PM Share Posted October 5, 2019 at 06:30 PM Where are we at this point. I see large signs posted at LGSs. What’s been implemented and what’s to be determined? Has anything changed in relationship to retail purchase of a gun from the buyers stand point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted October 7, 2019 at 02:36 PM Share Posted October 7, 2019 at 02:36 PM Where are we at this point. I see large signs posted at LGSs. What’s been implemented and what’s to be determined? Has anything changed in relationship to retail purchase of a gun from the buyers stand point? Much of the law went into effect in July? More goes into effect Jan. 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdeepv Posted October 7, 2019 at 02:57 PM Share Posted October 7, 2019 at 02:57 PM IDs are copied usually State Id and FoidOccupationReason for purchasing This is for handgun only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted October 12, 2019 at 06:32 PM Share Posted October 12, 2019 at 06:32 PM Is the lulz a good reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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