InterestedBystander Posted August 23, 2018 at 10:45 PM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 10:45 PM Full Story at link https://freebeacon.com/issues/amazon-bans-gun-book/ Amazon Bans Gun BookRetail giant says book violated guidelines, wont say how "Amazon banned the sale of a gun book on Wednesday night for an unexplained violation of the company's rules. The listing for The Liberator Code Book: An Exercise in Freedom of Speech, which had been available on Amazon since Aug. 1, was removed from Amazon's website. The web address where the book had previously been listed now redirects to an error page. The web address where a Kindle book titled The Liberator: An .STL File Published as a Book also now redirects to an error page. Both books had been published through Amazon's self-publication services. Amazon told the Washington Free Beacon it was banning publication of the books and their sale through their website. "This book was removed for violating our content guidelines," Jack Evans, an Amazon spokesperson, told the Free Beacon. Evans directed the Free Beacon to the Kindle Direct Publishing content guidelines, which ban the publication of pornography, offensive content, illegal and infringing content, public domain and other non-exclusive content, and books that result in a "poor customer experience." Amazon refused to elaborate on how the books violated their guidelines. "Don't have any additional comment beyond what I've shared," Evans told the Free Beacon when asked which guideline Amazon believes the books violate. "Link I provided states that books must adhere to our guidelines." Amazon has long sold a wide range of the world's most controversial books. Hitler's autobiography Mein Kampf is available through multiple listings on the site. ...The company even sells The Los Alamos Primer: The First Lectures on How To Build an Atomic Bomb, which is a collection of previously classified documents detailing how scientists who worked on the first nuclear bomb went about building it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF1984 Posted August 23, 2018 at 10:54 PM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 10:54 PM The book was actually within the top 20 on Amazon's website prior to them taking it down. The guy that published it is on a few different forums and he listed it for $1.99 I believe. He said he did it as an experiment to see if they would actually ban a book (even if a digital one). Looks like Amazon pulled the proverbial trigger and are selectively outlawing books that have to do with information concerning constitutional rights they don't like. While they are a company and not a government and can ban whatever they wish...a day will come when the government and uber-large commercial enterprises ideals will align. The result could make a simple e-book ban (one that deals with a constitutional right) look like child's play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 23, 2018 at 11:08 PM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 11:08 PM ... the Kindle Direct Publishing content guidelines, which ban ... illegal and infringing content, ... I'd bet that Amazon is relying on the injunction to consider information on the Liberator as illegal content. The hairdo isn't a lawyer, so he probably cannot say anything he hasn't been scripted to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted August 24, 2018 at 12:00 AM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 12:00 AM Well, looking at their content guidelines, the only possible thing that it could be violating is the following . . . Public domain and other non-exclusive content . . . because Cody Wilson has, in fact, released the code to the public domain. However, even with the specious injunction that's been issued, the content is not illegal to possess or distribute by anyone not specifically named in the injunction. Which means that "regular folks" have a First Amendment right to distribute and share all of the content in that book, file, or code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted August 24, 2018 at 01:08 AM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 01:08 AM https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0989697207/At least they haven't banned my favorite gun zine/book. Seriously, if you don't own this immediately order it. The humor is as relevant today as it was when written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted August 24, 2018 at 03:42 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 03:42 PM https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0989697207/At least they haven't banned my favorite gun zine/book. Seriously, if you don't own this immediately order it. The humor is as relevant today as it was when written.Some gay person is going to be triggered by that book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted August 24, 2018 at 04:31 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 04:31 PM Poor Man's James Bond and and Anarchist Cookbook are still available on Amazon. I just checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted August 24, 2018 at 06:59 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 06:59 PM This is just more of the censorship from the tech giants. It is no different than what Google is doing with YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted August 24, 2018 at 07:16 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 07:16 PM Some gay person is going to be triggered by that book!Ha, wait til they get past the title. It combines gun reviews, diagrams, and how to's (useful pre internet, but still aestheticly amusing) with some of the most unPC articles, comics, and humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted August 24, 2018 at 08:11 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 08:11 PM You guys should all buy a patch to help support Cody Wilson and his lawsuit https://ghostgunner.net/product/come-and-take-it-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted August 24, 2018 at 08:38 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 08:38 PM Or, you could donate directly to his free speech campaign. Some prefer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted August 27, 2018 at 03:19 PM Share Posted August 27, 2018 at 03:19 PM You guys should all buy a patch to help support Cody Wilson and his lawsuit https://ghostgunner.net/product/come-and-take-it-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted August 27, 2018 at 05:43 PM Share Posted August 27, 2018 at 05:43 PM Private company (ergo no free speech, 1st amendment restrictions)Public domain information, violates their TOS Within their rights to remove it. Doesn't mean I like it, but, it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted August 27, 2018 at 09:43 PM Share Posted August 27, 2018 at 09:43 PM Two of my faves are still there: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581604955/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0965540936/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted August 27, 2018 at 11:19 PM Share Posted August 27, 2018 at 11:19 PM They still list "Unintended Consequences", the one that the ATF tried to ban from gun shows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmurph44 Posted August 28, 2018 at 01:37 PM Share Posted August 28, 2018 at 01:37 PM This is just more of the censorship from the tech giants. It is no different than what Google is doing with YouTube.Is this any different than a Christian book store refusing to sell books with adult content. I’m fine with this, it’s the government we don’t want banning books, not private companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted September 2, 2018 at 01:46 PM Share Posted September 2, 2018 at 01:46 PM This is just more of the censorship from the tech giants. It is no different than what Google is doing with YouTube.Is this any different than a Christian book store refusing to sell books with adult content. I’m fine with this, it’s the government we don’t want banning books, not private companies.Until ALL the private companies start banding together with the lefties, rendering it a defacto national book ban. Besides, these days, the printed book is an endangered species. Most of us -- even us oldish farts -- get our "books" electronically, through Amazon Kindle, B&N Nook, or iBooks. I use Nook. If B&N decides to ban a book I'd like to read, am I now required to buy another platform to get that book? In the digital age, private companies have FAR more direct power over the populace than they had before. heck, there are people out there who likely get about EVERYTHING they need or use from Amazon: books, clothing, consumer goods, and food delivered to their door. Amazon has "government-like" power over people's lives in many respects. You do everything on your phone or with it on you. They know who and when you make phone, text or email contact. They know everywhere you go. They know what you buy. They know what you read. They know your political bent. And they have hundreds of billions of dollars with which to keep their lefty Dem politicians in line. Don't pooh-pooh "private company" acts when it's not a mom and pop shop. Amazon, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Walmart ... any ONE of them has more money and minions than most governments do. I sooo fought buying a cell phone for years, until they finally made it to where you basically couldn't function as a working or social human being without one. Now, I'd like to drop mine into a vat of battery acid ... except, I couldn't make a living or make contact with my family without it. Stopping before this turns into a manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted September 2, 2018 at 02:04 PM Share Posted September 2, 2018 at 02:04 PM This is just more of the censorship from the tech giants. It is no different than what Google is doing with YouTube.Is this any different than a Christian book store refusing to sell books with adult content. I’m fine with this, it’s the government we don’t want banning books, not private companies.Until ALL the private companies start banding together with the lefties, rendering it a defacto national book ban.It really depends on the barriers of entry the government imposes on entering the market to whether it's a 1st ammendment violation. Blocking online access to code or diagrams is a bigger slippery slope because there are staggering barriers of entry into internet infrastructure. But it's still relatively easy to open up a bookstore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolnick Posted September 2, 2018 at 03:24 PM Share Posted September 2, 2018 at 03:24 PM Is this any different than a Christian book store refusing to sell books with adult content. Yes it is. A Christian book store does not present itself as an open forum. Using a descriptor, such as "Christian", or "music", or "sports" in the portrayal of what the business is about, openly announces that the enterprise is restricted to limited endeavors. For those of you old enough to remember, the real Mayor Daley threatened to sue the Bears if they continued to use the name "Chicago Bears" after moving to Arlington Heights. People get miffed when they are mislead or betrayed. A Christian books store is not misleading. Notice the arrow in the Amazon logo; it signifies the motto "everything from A to Z". If "A to Z" is their presentation, then Amazon is misleading if it only embraces certain things. Until ALL the private companies start banding together with the lefties, rendering it a defacto national book ban. The most powerful corporation in the world can't exist without WE THE CUSTOMERS. In a free society, customers do not buy what they do not want -- and they do not patronize companies that offend them. And in a free market, competition will gladly steal customers. That is why corporations spend plenty to develop images. Half of Wal-Mart's commercials are about good feelings. Sears used to be the largest retailer (for those of you who live in Chicago, WLS stands for "World's Largest Store"), then K-Mart dethroned them, then came Wal-Mart, now comes Amazon. If you wanted to computerize the right way in the 1970s, then you needed a computer made by Wang or by IBM. Dr. Wang's company died shortly after he did, but thanks to a hoard of clone makers, and despite commercials by the cast of M*A*S*H, IBM became a minor player in the PC market. When was the last time you heard the expression "100% IBM compatible"? Aside from DOS, the best selling software used to be Lotus 1-2-3, and the best selling word processor was WordPerfect. Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect were such standards that the federal government used to require electronic submissions to be in their format. Ashton-Tate was the king of the database world, and Hayes was THE modem standard. Where are they now!? When I was a kid, there was an expression: “What’s good for General Motors is good for America.” (To be honest, that expression was a corruption of a statement made by GM that "What’s good for America is good for General Motors", but the first rendition above is what stuck in the popular mind set.) During the rebellious 60s, that expression was mocked as some arrogant manifesto of The Establishment. How long ago was it that OPEC had us -- ahem -- over a barrel? How long ago was it that Japan was buying up America? Check out the 1986 movie "Gung Ho". If the power-meisters had half the power they are credited with, you'd be driving an Edsel to a Sambos restaurant to pay for a glass of New Coke with Susan B. Anthony dollars. Over 3,000 years ago, Solomon wrote: there is no new thing under the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted September 2, 2018 at 07:27 PM Share Posted September 2, 2018 at 07:27 PM Is this any different than a Christian book store refusing to sell books with adult content. Yes it is. A Christian book store does not present itself as an open forum. Using a descriptor, such as "Christian", or "music", or "sports" in the portrayal of what the business is about, openly announces that the enterprise is restricted to limited endeavors. everything from A to Z". If "A to Z" is their presentation, then Amazon is misleading if it only embraces certain things. The most powerful corporation in the world can't exist without WE THE CUSTOMERS.In a free society, customers do not buy what they do not want -- and they do not patronize companies that offend them Free society and all... Amazon and the Christian Book Store are each individual private enterprises. Essentially, they are the same. There are plenty of other places to purchase whatever one of them does not sell. Amazon is a huge, convenient on-line store, not an an open forum. As such, they are absolutely free to not offer any darned thing they want. Just like the Christian Book Store. Even an open forum will delete objectionable content from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmurph44 Posted September 3, 2018 at 04:00 AM Share Posted September 3, 2018 at 04:00 AM Is this any different than a Christian book store refusing to sell books with adult content. Yes it is. A Christian book store does not present itself as an open forum. Using a descriptor, such as "Christian", or "music", or "sports" in the portrayal of what the business is about, openly announces that the enterprise is restricted to limited endeavors. everything from A to Z". If "A to Z" is their presentation, then Amazon is misleading if it only embraces certain things. The most powerful corporation in the world can't exist without WE THE CUSTOMERS.In a free society, customers do not buy what they do not want -- and they do not patronize companies that offend them Free society and all... Amazon and the Christian Book Store are each individual private enterprises. Essentially, they are the same. There are plenty of other places to purchase whatever one of them does not sell. Amazon is a huge, convenient on-line store, not an an open forum. As such, they are absolutely free to not offer any darned thing they want. Just like the Christian Book Store. Even an open forum will delete objectionable content from time to time. More fake outrage from the nutty far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebillybob Posted September 3, 2018 at 06:15 AM Share Posted September 3, 2018 at 06:15 AM hey Murph...we are STILL waiting for that bombshell you promised us last week... Crawl back under a rock you communist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted September 3, 2018 at 10:17 AM Share Posted September 3, 2018 at 10:17 AM ^^^. LOL ^^^ Beep. Beep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmurph44 Posted September 3, 2018 at 12:57 PM Share Posted September 3, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^^^. LOL ^^^ Beep. Beep. hey Murph...we are STILL waiting for that bombshell you promised us last week... Crawl back under a rock you communist... Communist....lolololol.....Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling? The bombshell is coming, something about 60 days and an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmurph44 Posted September 3, 2018 at 12:58 PM Share Posted September 3, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^^^. LOL ^^^ Beep. Beep. Keep going Tommy boy, you're reveling yourself with every post, oh yea love that tattoo....lolololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted September 3, 2018 at 01:19 PM Share Posted September 3, 2018 at 01:19 PM There is a legitimate (based on courts and .govs) legal concern for a retailer distributing this. It is legally prudent to stop selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted September 3, 2018 at 08:37 PM Share Posted September 3, 2018 at 08:37 PM More fake outrage from the nutty far right. There is a legitimate (based on courts and .govs) legal concern for a retailer distributing this. It is legally prudent to stop selling.It's pretty much a continuation of operation choke point. Throw out some vague laws with a vague legal threat and mainstream businesses run away. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point It's one of the liabilities of being a big business where you rely on stuff like tax incentives from the government. It becomes problematic when the gov starts flexing its muscles on the little guys knowing they don't have the resources to fight the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebillybob Posted September 4, 2018 at 07:20 AM Share Posted September 4, 2018 at 07:20 AM ^^^. LOL ^^^ Beep. Beep. hey Murph...we are STILL waiting for that bombshell you promised us last week... Crawl back under a rock you communist... Communist....lolololol.....Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling? The bombshell is coming, something about 60 days and an election. for the life of me I have no idea why you would even be here... you have no interest in preserving 2A... How much does George Soros pay you? The name calling in this thread started with your idiotic labeling of right wingers, so please spare us your insinuation of my level of intelligence. "60 days and an election"... that's priceless! might I remind you of your "big bombshell coming tomorrow" in a previous thread? Spasiba comrade... tell Vlad hello from all of us at Illinois Carry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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