MrTriple Posted November 19, 2015 at 03:46 AM Share Posted November 19, 2015 at 03:46 AM How can we get the court to rule foid is unconstitutional? it clearly makes all guns contraband unless a person possesses an approved card(given by the state), does that not make all guns illegal by default?Shameless self promotion, but see the thread here regarding Powell v. Tompkins, which deals with this very question but in Massachusetts: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59072&do=findComment&comment=952718 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted December 15, 2015 at 05:18 PM Share Posted December 15, 2015 at 05:18 PM CA7 just published an opinion in Horsley v. Trame, even though the case had been decided months ago (AFAIK). Judge Williams writing for the panel, using some messed up reasoning, assumes the Director of ISP actually processes appeals. That was the ISP defense. "Well, she can appeal...." They just don't say that appeals aren't processed. Horsley's lawyer never bothered to even ask how many appeals are processed, how long the average appeal takes in a case such as this from filing it to resolution, how many Director approvals and denials. But he didn't so the court must assume that the FOID Card Act, ISP do have a safety valve for relief for 18-20 yr olds without a parental signature when, in reality, the remedy is "Wait until you're 21." Shame how this case could have gone completely differently had that evidence been available. Instead, an asinine precedent has been set. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazborgufen Posted December 21, 2015 at 05:57 PM Share Posted December 21, 2015 at 05:57 PM CA7 just published an opinion in Horsley v. Trame, even though the case had been decided months ago (AFAIK). Judge Williams writing for the panel, using some messed up reasoning, assumes the Director of ISP actually processes appeals. That was the ISP defense. "Well, she can appeal...." They just don't say that appeals aren't processed. Horsley's lawyer never bothered to even ask how many appeals are processed, how long the average appeal takes in a case such as this from filing it to resolution, how many Director approvals and denials. But he didn't so the court must assume that the FOID Card Act, ISP do have a safety valve for relief for 18-20 yr olds without a parental signature when, in reality, the remedy is "Wait until you're 21." Shame how this case could have gone completely differently had that evidence been available. Instead, an asinine precedent has been set. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Wouldn't the next step then be to have someone appeal and then file a lawsuit when no appeal process occurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted December 21, 2015 at 09:50 PM Share Posted December 21, 2015 at 09:50 PM Maybe an emancipated minor of age 16 or younger could sue after having attempted to appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted December 22, 2015 at 04:46 PM Share Posted December 22, 2015 at 04:46 PM That would be the best idea. Her counsel did her a huge disservice by not having those records subpoenaed, deposed Trame and any and all other defendants, then proceed to destroy the state on the merits of its argument that they will even entertain an appeal. "How many appeals have been filed since my client's application was denied? ... How many instances where an appeal was processed and landed on the desk of the Director? ... How many of those appeals were approved? ... How many denied?" Of course, we all know that line of questioning would end with the question regarding the processing of appeals. As in they don't process them. Sent from my VK700 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo69 Posted December 22, 2015 at 05:51 PM Share Posted December 22, 2015 at 05:51 PM It's funny how they deny a 18 yr old a FOID card but they have no problem sending them to war for the BANKSTERS or to prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted December 23, 2015 at 06:54 PM Share Posted December 23, 2015 at 06:54 PM It's funny how they deny a 18 yr old a FOID card but they have no problem sending them to war for the BANKSTERS or to prison. What's a BANKSTER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted December 24, 2015 at 02:06 AM Share Posted December 24, 2015 at 02:06 AM Military - Industrial Complex -- ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted December 25, 2015 at 03:32 AM Share Posted December 25, 2015 at 03:32 AM It's funny how they deny a 18 yr old a FOID card but they have no problem sending them to war for the BANKSTERS or to prison. What's a BANKSTER?Leftist agitprop term for mythological "1%er" money hoarder who manipulates society and government. Respun derogatory from the old anti-semitism against Jewish bankers due to the tradition of Jews in financial services as a result of Catholic policy in the middle ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazborgufen Posted December 28, 2015 at 08:55 PM Share Posted December 28, 2015 at 08:55 PM I don't know that the term is Leftist. It's generally used in a populist way. Regardless it is a combination of the work Banker and Gangster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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