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#1 Chicago312

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 06:08 PM

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The victim had a foid card but no ccl. What are your guys take on this one?

#2 ChicagoRonin70

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 06:14 PM

Note the linked story in that article:

 

https://www.nbcchica...-565641991.html

 

The fall-back position of the media these days is to automatically assume that the individual shot is the victim, rather than a criminal who was defended against by a firearm owner.


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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

 

Who gets to keep and read books? The Media? Or is it the People?

 

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 06:25 PM

It never looks good when you leave the scene without calling 911 and then not reporting incident in a safe location. Not sure she should have been charged as the 14 year old pulled a bb gun. Its hard to tell real or fake in a split second. But we still dont all the facts yet. Media has to make gun owners look crazy and dangerous for the sake of the children.

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:14 PM

Active FOID yes
No CCL yes

Article says they met to sell the dog.
If she wasn’t in or on her own property, then she wasn’t carrying under FCCA

She may be in big and deep dodo

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:54 PM

 

 

The fall-back position of the media these days is to automatically assume that the individual shot is the victim, rather than a criminal who was defended against by a firearm owner.

 

 -The story at the link was the initial report.

 -More information was discovered after the shooter who fled was detained.

 -Update initial story with details.

 

I thought the initial article was factual. It's possible the injured 14 year old robber didn't have a chance to explain her victims point of view until later... I'm sure she was anxious to explain how it was all her fault as they transported her to the hospital.

 

How would you have written it?


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Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:57 PM

Active FOID yes
No CCL yes

Article says they met to sell the dog.
If she wasn’t in or on her own property, then she wasn’t carrying under FCCA

She may be in big and deep dodo

 

Though unlikely... it's possible she was utilizing a legal "fanny pack carry" technique.


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Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:37 PM

My take...

 

The victim should walk, maybe  a slap on the wrist / warning  like any senator or other public official would get.....

 

Every person on Earth should have the right to protect one self or property without a  FOID or CCL

 

 

 



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 09:31 PM

 

Active FOID yes
No CCL yes

Article says they met to sell the dog.
If she wasn’t in or on her own property, then she wasn’t carrying under FCCA

She may be in big and deep dodo

 

Though unlikely... it's possible she was utilizing a legal "fanny pack carry" technique.

 

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 10:50 PM

 

 

The fall-back position of the media these days is to automatically assume that the individual shot is the victim, rather than a criminal who was defended against by a firearm owner.

 

 -The story at the link was the initial report.

 -More information was discovered after the shooter who fled was detained.

 -Update initial story with details.

 

I thought the initial article was factual. It's possible the injured 14 year old robber didn't have a chance to explain her victims point of view until later... I'm sure she was anxious to explain how it was all her fault as they transported her to the hospital.

 

How would you have written it?

 

I started working as a journalist in 1989, including for wire services back then as well as local news sources, and if I had misreported the facts so completely before they had a chance to be determined, vetted, and checked, I'd have had a short career of it.

 

I would have reported it after I got clarification as to the actual facts of the story. That's the problem with instant-information journalism today, that there is a rush to get a sensational story out, especially if it fits a particular narrative, before verification and information-gathering is done.

 

That's one of the reasons I retired from active reporting. Immediate reporting of information is almost never to the benefit of accuracy.


"A well educated Media, being necessary for the preservation of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read books, shall not be infringed."

 

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

 

Who gets to keep and read books? The Media? Or is it the People?

 

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“Hatred is the sharpest sword; the desire for peace is armor made of willow leaves in the face of an enemy who despises you, as neither alone will stop a strike that is aimed at your neck.” —Samurai proverb
 
“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” —Robert Heinlein
 
“I reserve the right to take any action necessary to maintain the equilibrium in which I've chosen to exist.” —Me
 
"It ain't braggin' if you done it." —Will Rogers

 

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 12:30 AM

Welcome to Illinois.  Where exercising a fundamental human right gets one arrested. 


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Posted 01 December 2019 - 07:56 AM

Seem like a good test case for Constitutional carry. If he was following the law he would not have had the ability to defend himself.

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 08:34 AM

She should have used a narwhal tusk instead. ^ this ***

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 09:12 AM

Used to defend herself in a forcible felony situation.



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Posted 04 December 2019 - 06:32 PM

"Diaz will have a bond court hearing on Dec. 1". . . how did this go?


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Posted 04 December 2019 - 06:49 PM

The da will not go easy on her.

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 06:49 PM

I thought victims werent usually charged with uuaw if it was lawful self defense.
When picking a firearm, you want one that is like a heavy chick. A gun that is reliable, doesn't mind getting rough, and one that goes bang every time. What's the point of having something pretty looking it isn't up for the task?

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 08:26 PM

"Diaz will have a bond court hearing on Dec. 1". . . how did this go?


I read somewhere that Diaz's bail was set at $50k with a $5k bond.
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Posted 05 December 2019 - 09:51 AM

Compare this case with Curtis Traver.


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Posted 05 December 2019 - 10:39 AM

Active FOID yes
No CCL yes

Article says they met to sell the dog.
If she wasn’t in or on her own property, then she wasn’t carrying under FCCA

She may be in big and deep dodo

This unfortunately, as they met on the sidewalk.  NOW, if said sidewalk was directly in fromt of her stoop, could it be argued, she was still 'at home'?


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Posted 05 December 2019 - 01:01 PM

 

Active FOID yes
No CCL yes

Article says they met to sell the dog.
If she wasn’t in or on her own property, then she wasn’t carrying under FCCA

She may be in big and deep dodo

This unfortunately, as they met on the sidewalk.  NOW, if said sidewalk was directly in fromt of her stoop, could it be argued, she was still 'at home'?

 

 

It's screwed up when police would rather somebody be an unarmed victim (especially a woman), and possibly raped or even dead VS. protecting ones well being. Laws be damned.


Edited by Capt_Destro, 05 December 2019 - 01:02 PM.

When picking a firearm, you want one that is like a heavy chick. A gun that is reliable, doesn't mind getting rough, and one that goes bang every time. What's the point of having something pretty looking it isn't up for the task?




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