JR1987 Posted June 21, 2011 at 08:17 PM Share Posted June 21, 2011 at 08:17 PM Good luck farmer. I'm glad my city is home rule and has no AWB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted June 21, 2011 at 09:01 PM Share Posted June 21, 2011 at 09:01 PM Update: Our first hearing is this Friday, at 10am. My lawyer filed a motion to allow me to bring the rifles in to demonstrate their function, but this was pended. The judge will decide Friday whether he needs to see the rifles themselves. If we do, I need to scare up some dummy rounds. All I've seen so far are 2-packs for $10-12. I'd prefer to have at least 10 to fill a stripper clip. For my own use, I'd just reload sans powder and primer and drill holes through the cases to make it plain. But I'm not sure that'd be wise for demonstration in a Cook County courtroom. do that and paint them yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted June 21, 2011 at 09:23 PM Share Posted June 21, 2011 at 09:23 PM do that and paint them yellow. you dont want yellow paint to get in the gun, do you? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted June 21, 2011 at 09:44 PM Share Posted June 21, 2011 at 09:44 PM LOL they have to be powder coated if you dont want them to scratch and use them many times for a single use in court paint flakes will clean out just as easy as fowling will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted June 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM Share Posted June 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM I'd rather have video of when you try to clear security in the morning and of corse someone will forget to inform the screening crew that you indeed have permission. Yes, that you could sell tickets too. Maybe even a news flash from a nitwit reporter "Crazed gunman attempts to enter courthouse" , Film at 6:00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted June 22, 2011 at 07:15 PM Author Share Posted June 22, 2011 at 07:15 PM Since I have to transport them broken down anyway, I think I'll remove the firing pins, as long the bolt will still cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ming Posted June 22, 2011 at 07:35 PM Share Posted June 22, 2011 at 07:35 PM Good luck on Friday, FF. If it goes like most cases, it'll be a continuance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandFan Posted June 23, 2011 at 12:36 AM Share Posted June 23, 2011 at 12:36 AM Update: Our first hearing is this Friday, at 10am. My lawyer filed a motion to allow me to bring the rifles in to demonstrate their function, but this was pended. The judge will decide Friday whether he needs to see the rifles themselves. If we do, I need to scare up some dummy rounds. All I've seen so far are 2-packs for $10-12. I'd prefer to have at least 10 to fill a stripper clip. For my own use, I'd just reload sans powder and primer and drill holes through the cases to make it plain. But I'm not sure that'd be wise for demonstration in a Cook County courtroom. Oh come on ... just use live rounds. I've loaded, chambered, and unloaded hundreds of live rounds without incident. And besides, you're sure to have a real live expert City of Chicago armorer on hand to ensure absolute safety. What's the worst thing that could happen?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted June 23, 2011 at 12:40 AM Share Posted June 23, 2011 at 12:40 AM Update: Our first hearing is this Friday, at 10am. My lawyer filed a motion to allow me to bring the rifles in to demonstrate their function, but this was pended. The judge will decide Friday whether he needs to see the rifles themselves. If we do, I need to scare up some dummy rounds. All I've seen so far are 2-packs for $10-12. I'd prefer to have at least 10 to fill a stripper clip. For my own use, I'd just reload sans powder and primer and drill holes through the cases to make it plain. But I'm not sure that'd be wise for demonstration in a Cook County courtroom. Oh come on ... just use live rounds. I've loaded, chambered, and unloaded hundreds of live rounds without incident. And besides, you're sure to have a real live expert City of Chicago armorer on hand to ensure absolute safety. What's the worst thing that could happen?? GF - you are entertaining to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted June 23, 2011 at 01:26 AM Share Posted June 23, 2011 at 01:26 AM Update: Our first hearing is this Friday, at 10am. My lawyer filed a motion to allow me to bring the rifles in to demonstrate their function, but this was pended. The judge will decide Friday whether he needs to see the rifles themselves. If we do, I need to scare up some dummy rounds. All I've seen so far are 2-packs for $10-12. I'd prefer to have at least 10 to fill a stripper clip. For my own use, I'd just reload sans powder and primer and drill holes through the cases to make it plain. But I'm not sure that'd be wise for demonstration in a Cook County courtroom. Oh come on ... just use live rounds. I've loaded, chambered, and unloaded hundreds of live rounds without incident. And besides, you're sure to have a real live expert City of Chicago armorer on hand to ensure absolute safety. What's the worst thing that could happen?? In the Infamous words from Tam. Hey! Keep the Boogerhook off the bang switch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolt243 Posted June 23, 2011 at 02:29 AM Share Posted June 23, 2011 at 02:29 AM Oh come on ... just use live rounds. I've loaded, chambered, and unloaded hundreds of live rounds without incident. And besides, you're sure to have a real live expert City of Chicago armorer on hand to ensure absolute safety. What's the worst thing that could happen?? GF - you are entertaining to say the least. All that freedom in the air has gone to his head!!! AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyl Posted June 23, 2011 at 08:21 PM Share Posted June 23, 2011 at 08:21 PM Ex pertinacia victoria (some things just sound better in latin, http://www.inrebus.com/latinmottogenerator.php ) Good luck tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted June 24, 2011 at 05:02 PM Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 at 05:02 PM It went well. I liked the judge (Patrick T Rogers). He explained things well to those representing themselves, which was everybody but me), especially how the system is totally rigged against them. My case was remanded back to the city 'court' for supplemental evidence, specifically the judge wrote an order allowing us to bring the rifles in go demonstrate their function. The city attorney agreed to this despite nearly sh!tting a brick. Our theory is they know they are going to lose and want to lose in their own 'court' rather than in County Court. Off record the judge asked how I got interested in collecting guns and if I shot as well. He recounted how he likes shooting and that he once went down to Valpo and shot a spud gun and enjoyed it a lot. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted June 24, 2011 at 06:13 PM Share Posted June 24, 2011 at 06:13 PM Great job, FF! Sounds like you drew a great judge. Good luck in your next step! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ming Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:15 PM Share Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:15 PM FF do you know when the next step will occur? It's a lot like being in the service. Hurry up and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:28 PM Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:28 PM FF do you know when the next step will occur? It's a lot like being in the service. Hurry up and wait. July 12th, back at Chicago's Administrative Hearing building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:29 PM Share Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:29 PM Great work - thank you for putting the time into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandFan Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:48 PM Share Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:48 PM Indeed. Good news, David, and I too thank you for taking the time and effort to fix one of the problems with Chicago's system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:54 PM Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 at 07:54 PM Indeed. Good news, David, and I too thank you for taking the time and effort to fix one of the problems with Chicago's system. Sadly I don't have a 'Harriet Tubman' anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Roark Posted June 26, 2011 at 05:03 AM Share Posted June 26, 2011 at 05:03 AM ...(elided)...My case was remanded back to the city 'court' for supplemental evidence, specifically the judge wrote an order allowing us to bring the rifles in go demonstrate their function. ...(elided)... This is good theater! A gun demo in the court-room. This will make for good media. And why not! P.S. Theater of the Absurd, eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted July 12, 2011 at 02:44 AM Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 02:44 AM Hide your kids, hide your wife! Tomorrow SKS rifles legally get to have their day in [Kangaroo] Court. Literally! Not the Kangaroo part, even Kangaroos have more sense and fairness than Chicago's Administrative Hearings department. Nope, by order of a Cook County Circuit Court judge, I'm bringing my four fixed-magazine SKS rifles downtown to explain their function and have Chicago's "expert" witness show me how you detach the mag and insert a fresh magazine without disassembling the rifle and purchasing after market parts. If I see sirens and lights I'm just going to assume it's a police escort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrat Posted July 12, 2011 at 02:45 AM Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 02:45 AM Good luck, and let us know how it goes! Edit: Actually i'm really curious to know how exactly they're going to make their case. Do you think the city will actually have somebody there who will try to demonstrate how to detach the mag? Or do you think it'll be a case where the city doesn't even bother to fight with anything other than procedural B.S.? Or maybe they won't fight it at all? And you'll win by default? This is going to be interesting in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted July 12, 2011 at 02:58 AM Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 02:58 AM Good luck, and let us know how it goes! Edit: Actually i'm really curious to know how exactly they're going to make their case. Do you think the city will actually have somebody there who will try to demonstrate how to detach the mag? Or do you think it'll be a case where the city doesn't even bother to fight with anything other than procedural B.S.? Or maybe they won't fight it at all? And you'll win by default? This is going to be interesting in any event. I think they'll put up a token fight, then quietly rule in my favor so that it doesn't go back to District court where their loss is more public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skorpius Posted July 12, 2011 at 03:14 AM Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 03:14 AM Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milhouse86 Posted July 12, 2011 at 04:31 AM Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 04:31 AM Ex pertinacia victoria (some things just sound better in latin, http://www.inrebus.com/latinmottogenerator.php ) Good luck tomorrow What he said. It worked last time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted July 12, 2011 at 04:37 AM Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 04:37 AM LOL, I predict the expert doesn't show, and instead they try to argue how much safer the the world is without guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted July 12, 2011 at 06:06 AM Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 06:06 AM I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. Actually I'm good at not showing emotion but yeah, I can't wait to hear back from our friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarandFan Posted July 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM I'm bringing my four fixed-magazine SKS rifles downtown to explain their function and have Chicago's "expert" witness show me how you detach the mag and insert a fresh magazine without disassembling the rifle and purchasing after market parts. Please, please tell us how that goes today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milq Posted July 12, 2011 at 01:25 PM Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 01:25 PM Hope everything goes smoothly today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted July 12, 2011 at 03:40 PM Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 at 03:40 PM So, shenanigans! Just found out, this morning, that despite arrangements being made over the past 2.5 weeks and even yesterday, CPD just realized that their "expert" witness is out on furlough. He is replacing the original "expert" who is out on injury leave, apparently having fallen out of his chair or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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