Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:22 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:22 PM So I may need a lawyer, or may need to at least talk to one, regarding an AWB in Chicago confiscation. They told me to go to court and try to get them back, or if I move outside cook county I can have them. My question is, would I be able to transfer them to somebody outside Cook County, in a jurisdiction where they're allowed? If so, any attorneys with experience in this? What would it cost? If its more than $2,000, it'd be cheaper to just take the loss on them. Anybody with experience or that is an attorney, it'd be much appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101abn Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:25 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:25 PM This is interesting How was it confiscated, Email Todd, You can find his email in the DGU thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:29 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:29 PM You can contact the ISRA also. We have an Attorney Referral Service. (815) 635-3198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:29 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:29 PM Just curious exactly what was "taken" long guns or handguns? PS: Todd is the man, he will help you if you can be helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:30 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:30 PM Well, they came to see paperwork I had on a gun I had sold on armslist (do NOT use armslist). When I told them paperwork was in the safe, they accompanied me to the safe to make sure I wasn;t going to cause a problem. When i opened safe to retrieve paperwork, they saw rifles, and they were taken after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:31 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:31 PM They were long guns. 1 was a c39, 1 was an M+M M10 and 1 was a Ruger AR556. They also took the magazines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnnuguy Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:44 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:44 PM Jerze2387, on 21 Apr 2015 - 10:30 AM, said:Well, they came to see paperwork I had on a gun I had sold on armslist (do NOT use armslist). When I told them paperwork was in the safe, they accompanied me to the safe to make sure I wasn;t going to cause a problem. When i opened safe to retrieve paperwork, they saw rifles, and they were taken after that.WHY WOULD you let anybody in your HOME? Did they have a warrant? There's nothing wrong with Armslist if you use some common sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:47 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:47 PM Jerze2387, on 21 Apr 2015 - 10:30 AM, said:Well, they came to see paperwork I had on a gun I had sold on armslist (do NOT use armslist). When I told them paperwork was in the safe, they accompanied me to the safe to make sure I wasn;t going to cause a problem. When i opened safe to retrieve paperwork, they saw rifles, and they were taken after that.WHY WOULD you let anybody in your HOME? Did they have a warrant? There's nothing wrong with Armslist if you use some common sense! I tend to cooperate as opposed to escalate the situation. All my paperwork was in order, as always, so i didnt think itd be a big deal. They didnt have a warrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101abn Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:51 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:51 PM Did they ask if they could accompany you and you ok'd Or did they just follow you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:54 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:54 PM They said they were coming with for their safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryware Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:56 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 03:56 PM Wow... Just WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:05 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:05 PM What dept where do you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipp Jones Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:05 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:05 PM Who came to your door and what is the association with Armslist? Did they provide you paperwork for the weapons that were removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:08 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:08 PM What dept where do you live?It was Chicago police. Im on NW side of Chicago. Who came to your door and what is the association with Armslist? Did they provide you paperwork for the weapons that were removed?The Armslist association was an LC9 I sold on there previously, apparently the guy did something he shouldnt have so they were checking on paperwork and chain of ownership. And it was Chicago police at the door. 4 of them. they said they'll provide paperwork when they get checked in either today or tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:18 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:18 PM Pete baroni email or text me for his cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnnuguy Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:25 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:25 PM They said they were coming with for their safety For their safety? Four of em? Tell them to stay it their car and wait till you bring out "the paperwork" BTW what "paperwork" would that be? Seems like the only thing you did wrong was to let them in your home with out a warrant and the accompany you to a bedroom GUNSAFE.NEVER INVITE trouble no matter how innocent things might seem. I hope this serves as a lesson. I had a similar incedent happen to me, never again, and I did get my toys back. Had to go to Crook County court and get a writ of replevin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:29 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:29 PM They said they were coming with for their safety For their safety? Four of em? Tell them to stay it their car and wait till you bring out "the paperwork" BTW what "paperwork" would that be? Seems like the only thing you did wrong was to let them in your home with out a warrant and the accompany you to a bedroom GUNSAFE.NEVER INVITE trouble no matter how innocent things might seem. I hope this serves as a lesson. I had a similar incedent happen to me, never again, and I did get my toys back. Had to go to Crook County court and get a writ of replevin. The paperwork was the Bill Of Sale forms done for any sales. And how did you get the writ??? if its a similar situation, maybe I could do the same thing. I dont blame the officers, they were actually nice....they just did what they had to do based on the terrible Cook County stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:31 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:31 PM Pete baroni email or text me for his cellI bel;ieve i sent you an email regarding the situation a few minutes ago. Molly had given me your email (i was searching for it on here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:33 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:33 PM They will say all kinds of stuff to try and get inside or get you to consent to searches. The only thing you need to remember is that if there's no warrant, you don't have to consent to anything. If they force their way in and do it anyway then there's nothing you can really do except repeat that you don't consent to the warrantless search, but when it comes to court chances are it will get thrown out due to no warrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:37 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:37 PM They will say all kinds of stuff to try and get inside or get you to consent to searches. The only thing you need to remember is that if there's no warrant, you don't have to consent to anything. If they force their way in and do it anyway then there's nothing you can really do except repeat that you don't consent to the warrantless search, but when it comes to court chances are it will get thrown out due to no warrant.but since I cooperated im guessing this is just going to end up being an expensive lesson learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:57 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 04:57 PM Aside from allowing the police to see the guns that are a definite no no in your safe without them having any legitimate reason to even be in the home. This is why I have guns in my gun safe and paperwork in a filing cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:02 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:02 PM I would recommend having a separate safe for only paperwork. Also why did they grab both the guns and magazines since the guns themselves are not high capacity absent the magazines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:07 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:07 PM Also if legal action is necessary suing for the full retail value plus court cost since they violated your fourth amendment rights during the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:12 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:12 PM I would recommend having a separate safe for only paperwork. Also why did they grab both the guns and magazines since the guns themselves are not high capacity absent the magazines?not sure. they actually unloaded the magazines and let me keep the ammo also. Aside from allowing the police to see the guns that are a definite no no in your safe without them having any legitimate reason to even be in the home. This is why I have guns in my gun safe and paperwork in a filing cabinet.thats the plan from now on. I never thought this situation would arise. they had asked to see a bill of sale once before but didn't accompany me upstairs like they did this time. For some reason there was double the amount of them this time also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:13 PM Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:13 PM Not sure if it'll make a difference, but they were originally looking for my late mother (the bill of sale they wanted was from a gun that was in her name, but when she fell ill she transferred to me, and i subsequently sold on armslist to cover medical bills she incurred) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:15 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:15 PM Well, they came to see paperwork I had on a gun I had sold on armslist (do NOT use armslist). When I told them paperwork was in the safe, they accompanied me to the safe to make sure I wasn;t going to cause a problem. When i opened safe to retrieve paperwork, they saw rifles, and they were taken after that. They have a warrant? If not, you invited them in? You let them view the contents of your safe? Sounds like you made several wrong moves, hopefully better judgement from this point on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerxx Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:15 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:15 PM not sure. they actually unloaded the magazines and let me keep the ammo also. Thats interesting, I mean I know the ammo isn't illegal...but still interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:19 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:19 PM Well, this is curious. Jerze2387 did the necessary paperwork and FOID check, and the guy is clean, the FOID would also have come back clean for CPD if it was very recent. CPD at that point has no real reason to verify the sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:22 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:22 PM Not sure if it'll make a difference, but they were originally looking for my late mother (the bill of sale they wanted was from a gun that was in her name, but when she fell ill she transferred to me, and i subsequently sold on armslist to cover medical bills she incurred)I thought the registry was no more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadroid Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:34 PM Share Posted April 21, 2015 at 05:34 PM wow not to be mean, but you kind of are responsible for your own fate. You don't let cops in your house. Unless they have a warrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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