gangrel Posted June 3, 2015 at 06:46 PM Share Posted June 3, 2015 at 06:46 PM http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapterID=39 (430 ILCS 65/13.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-13.1) Sec. 13.1. Preemption. ( Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this Section, the regulation, licensing, possession, and registration of handguns and ammunition for a handgun, and the transportation of any firearm and ammunition by a holder of a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card issued by the Department of State Policethank you. Thats the one I gave him and he got hung up on the handgun thing. Hes planning to tell them to break them down to a non functioning state which im a bit hesitant about, as they could accidentally break them or could render them useless based on his leeway hes giving them. Plus he seems to think thats going to be a huge roadblock. Not really sure what he is getting hung up on. There are two statements bolded above. The first in blue pertains to the regulation, licensing, possession, and registration of handguns. The second pertains specifically pertains to the transportation of firearms (NOT just handguns). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvw3 Posted June 7, 2015 at 04:21 PM Share Posted June 7, 2015 at 04:21 PM Not sure this will help now but Article 2 gun range has storage lockers for the poor souls that live in Chicago and Cook County to store their guns if they can't at home. From what they told me it is not illegal to own these guns just to posses them in Chicago and Cook County. (630) 627-0310article.ii@gunworldrange.com250 Cortland Ave Lombard, IL 60148 I would let it go if it was me. I am sure you were aware that it was illegal to keep these guns in Chicago. I live in suburban Cook County and I don't own any of these banned firearms as I don't want to pay the price of losing them. Your money is better spent joining and supporting organizations fighting these unconstitutional laws. The CDP may have done you a favor in stating in the paperwork you turned them in. They could have charged you with possession of illegal firearms and you could have lost all your gun rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted June 7, 2015 at 04:33 PM Share Posted June 7, 2015 at 04:33 PM They could have charged you with possession of illegal firearms and you could have lost all your gun rights.Violating a municipal ordinance can only be a misdemeanor, not a felony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted June 9, 2015 at 04:47 PM Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 at 04:47 PM Not sure this will help now but Article 2 gun range has storage lockers for the poor souls that live in Chicago and Cook County to store their guns if they can't at home. From what they told me it is not illegal to own these guns just to posses them in Chicago and Cook County. (630) 627-0310article.ii@gunworldrange.com250 Cortland Ave Lombard, IL 60148 I would let it go if it was me. I am sure you were aware that it was illegal to keep these guns in Chicago. I live in suburban Cook County and I don't own any of these banned firearms as I don't want to pay the price of losing them. Your money is better spent joining and supporting organizations fighting these unconstitutional laws. The CDP may have done you a favor in stating in the paperwork you turned them in. They could have charged you with possession of illegal firearms and you could have lost all your gun rights. I am going to store them at article II when theyre returned. And i am aware they did me the favor, but it was also the officers who encouraged me to pursue getting them back. They have also agreed that they will not try to come back and charge me for pursuing the return of them as well. Given how much its ended up costing me (currently the equal of the value of the items, and likely will exceed when all is said and done), from that standpoint I'd say my best bet would have been to let it go from the beginning. But at this point I'm so far in, I cant walk away from all that I've spent. i had to start driving for uber to cover the legal fees That said, the supporting organizations I have contacted havent really helped, so it didnt give me much faith in joining them. Im doing the best i can with the tools i have at my disposal here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvw3 Posted June 9, 2015 at 09:21 PM Share Posted June 9, 2015 at 09:21 PM 35 years ago the cops took my pistol due to charges that were dropped. I couldn't get it back until my wife called and ask what paperwork they needed. She told them her brother worked for the cook county state's attorney's office. They called back a few hours latter and said pick it up anytime. I would recommend you contact your alderman. Sometimes a call to the right person can get things done right away. Good luck. I hope it works out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaxongreg Posted June 9, 2015 at 11:26 PM Share Posted June 9, 2015 at 11:26 PM I spoke with the Chicago Attorney, Edward Williams over the weekend. He mentioned he's had 20 cases of non issuance so far and has won every one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted June 10, 2015 at 12:06 AM Share Posted June 10, 2015 at 12:06 AM Do you have a link to his website Klaxongreg? You know, just in case. ETA: Not for me, but in general. When my youngest graduates I'm blowing this popsickle stand for a place where I can own whgatever toys I want, AND have a place to shoot them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted June 10, 2015 at 01:09 PM Share Posted June 10, 2015 at 01:09 PM i had to start driving for uber to cover the legal fees Driving for uber pay ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted June 10, 2015 at 07:07 PM Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 at 07:07 PM i had to start driving for uber to cover the legal fees Driving for uber pay ok?It does actually. I'm averaging about $16/hr ($20-25 on weekends. Which is why I wasn't at chucks) after gas expenses. Which, for a part time gig in the current job market, is considerably better than a warehouse position at $10/hr. Problem is lawyer charges $150 an hour lol so it's hard to catch up35 years ago the cops took my pistol due to charges that were dropped. I couldn't get it back until my wife called and ask what paperwork they needed. She told them her brother worked for the cook county state's attorney's office. They called back a few hours latter and said pick it up anytime. I would recommend you contact your alderman. Sometimes a call to the right person can get things done right away. Good luck. I hope it works out for you. Thanks. And I would try my alderman but he's actually an anti from what I've seen of his comments on "everyblock" site, so that may not work for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted June 11, 2015 at 05:14 PM Share Posted June 11, 2015 at 05:14 PM That said, the supporting organizations I have contacted havent really helped, so it didnt give me much faith in joining them. Im doing the best i can with the tools i have at my disposal here You continue to mention that the NRA and ISRA refused to help, though you freely admit you are not a member of either. You live in one of the more gun "unfriendly" states, in one of the more gun "unfriendly" areas of that state. The fact that you are able to enjoy the freedom of owning those guns (just not where you stored them) is largely a result of organizations like these, and should be reason enough to contribute and/or join. Consider this scenario... You drive (illegally) without car insurance, because you're a safe driver, and you don't feel that you need it. One day, one of your tires blows out, causing you to careen out of your lane and crash into a pole, totalling your car. Not really anyone's fault... just one of those things... So you call State Farm, Allstate, Geico, etc. to see if they can help you out. Each replies "Sorry, you don't have a policy with our company. There's nothing we can do." $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted June 13, 2015 at 03:42 PM Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 at 03:42 PM That said, the supporting organizations I have contacted havent really helped, so it didnt give me much faith in joining them. Im doing the best i can with the tools i have at my disposal hereYou continue to mention that the NRA and ISRA refused to help, though you freely admit you are not a member of either. You live in one of the more gun "unfriendly" states, in one of the more gun "unfriendly" areas of that state. The fact that you are able to enjoy the freedom of owning those guns (just not where you stored them) is largely a result of organizations like these, and should be reason enough to contribute and/or join. Consider this scenario... You drive (illegally) without car insurance, because you're a safe driver, and you don't feel that you need it. One day, one of your tires blows out, causing you to careen out of your lane and crash into a pole, totalling your car. Not really anyone's fault... just one of those things... So you call State Farm, Allstate, Geico, etc. to see if they can help you out. Each replies "Sorry, you don't have a policy with our company. There's nothing we can do." $0.02 my .02, is organizations that say they champion for the little guy from an idealogical and moral rights standpoint shouldnt have to be financially motivated. Kind of goes against the whole "were here to help the little guy" part. Goes more into the "itd be a shame if this place burned down because we didnt get our monthly payment.." kind of idealogy. More literally, "you didnt pay? youre screwed then". And what I find funny, and this doesnt go for everybody, as there have been a couple people who offered helpful information and such, off the top i can think of Mr. Fife with the recordings and POAT 54 with the statute i was looking for, Transplant in PM's and such, GVW with the article 2 info, and a couple others i may have forgotten specifically (sorry), but the NRA, ISRA, and others who have criticized my not doonating and saying thats why i wont get help sure would want to get the example from my case to use for future cases. But, by their logic, they didnt contribute, so why should i give them the benefit from being able to follow the example and path? see the logic? we can be willing to help each other or play tit for tat. I have been very open and forthcoming about the whole process, the details, etc so it would help others in similar situations. I didnt need to come here and do that. Nobody paid me to. And for the most part every bit of progress ive made has come AWAY from the forum. BUT i keep coming back to update and help others WITHOUT requiring financial gain. THATS the spirit i thought this whole thing was about. now, some guys here do appear to be that way, and i have respect for those guys and appreciate it. i see us as being in a community on the same side, a brotherhood in arms so to speak, based on a common goal which isnt financially motivated. this whole thing opened my eyes and made me look at the whole thing differently. Seems money is a very big driving force behind the progress, not the principles. In a way, the curtain was pulled back and showed me the wizard and itll be hard for me to see those organizations as "champions for gun rights" as much as champions for the ideas of those who can afford to sponsor and essentially hire them to further the ideas of the contributors". Basically, i thought these organizations put principles over dollars, and apparently I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvw3 Posted June 14, 2015 at 06:22 PM Share Posted June 14, 2015 at 06:22 PM When I think about why I support the NRA I have to remember we would not have a conceal carry law in this state without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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borgranta Posted June 15, 2015 at 08:07 PM Share Posted June 15, 2015 at 08:07 PM That said, the supporting organizations I have contacted havent really helped, so it didnt give me much faith in joining them. Im doing the best i can with the tools i have at my disposal here You continue to mention that the NRA and ISRA refused to help, though you freely admit you are not a member of either.You live in one of the more gun "unfriendly" states, in one of the more gun "unfriendly" areas of that state. The fact that you are able to enjoy the freedom of owning those guns (just not where you stored them) is largely a result of organizations like these, and should be reason enough to contribute and/or join.Consider this scenario...You drive (illegally) without car insurance, because you're a safe driver, and you don't feel that you need it. One day, one of your tires blows out, causing you to careen out of your lane and crash into a pole, totalling your car. Not really anyone's fault... just one of those things...So you call State Farm, Allstate, Geico, etc. to see if they can help you out. Each replies "Sorry, you don't have a policy with our company. There's nothing we can do."$0.02my .02, is organizations that say they champion for the little guy from an idealogical and moral rights standpoint shouldnt have to be financially motivated. Kind of goes against the whole "were here to help the little guy" part. Goes more into the "itd be a shame if this place burned down because we didnt get our monthly payment.." kind of idealogy. More literally, "you didnt pay? youre screwed then". And what I find funny, and this doesnt go for everybody, as there have been a couple people who offered helpful information and such, off the top i can think of Mr. Fife with the recordings and POAT 54 with the statute i was looking for, Transplant in PM's and such, GVW with the article 2 info, and a couple others i may have forgotten specifically (sorry), but the NRA, ISRA, and others who have criticized my not doonating and saying thats why i wont get help sure would want to get the example from my case to use for future cases. But, by their logic, they didnt contribute, so why should i give them the benefit from being able to follow the example and path? see the logic? we can be willing to help each other or play tit for tat. I have been very open and forthcoming about the whole process, the details, etc so it would help others in similar situations. I didnt need to come here and do that. Nobody paid me to. And for the most part every bit of progress ive made has come AWAY from the forum. BUT i keep coming back to update and help others WITHOUT requiring financial gain. THATS the spirit i thought this whole thing was about. now, some guys here do appear to be that way, and i have respect for those guys and appreciate it. i see us as being in a community on the same side, a brotherhood in arms so to speak, based on a common goal which isnt financially motivated. this whole thing opened my eyes and made me look at the whole thing differently. Seems money is a very big driving force behind the progress, not the principles. In a way, the curtain was pulled back and showed me the wizard and itll be hard for me to see those organizations as "champions for gun rights" as much as champions for the ideas of those who can afford to sponsor and essentially hire them to further the ideas of the contributors". Basically, i thought these organizations put principles over dollars, and apparently I was wrong.comparing them to a protection racket is a poor choice since the NRA dues are yearly not monthly and refusing to join the NRA does not result in the NRA burning down your property. Also if you have a Sams Club membership instead of renewing it opt to pay the cheaper NRA dues. If not for the dues the NRA would not have been able to fight for are rights. Even if they wanted to help they would have been told that they did not have standing to fight on your behalf since you are not a member of the NRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiTown Posted June 15, 2015 at 11:12 PM Share Posted June 15, 2015 at 11:12 PM The NRA, ISRA, etc. have spent countless hours and plenty of their finances to advance the 2A for EVERY citizen, including YOU Jerze. You have gotten their efforts to fight for concealed carry, the abolishment of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago handgun registry and you haven't given them a DIME. Now you come to them and ask for help with YOUR case and ask for assistance that will only benefit YOU for FREE. See the problem yet? After receiving the blanket assistance from these organizations through their efforts to secure and advance your 2A rights, you expect them to spend more of their money to help you and only you. They shouldn't be financially motivated? Your "thank yous" don't keep the organization running or pay for the money they spend in filing court orders and/or paperwork to fight cases in court. So either pay for a membership or move along. You're sounding like an entitled child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted June 15, 2015 at 11:45 PM Share Posted June 15, 2015 at 11:45 PM Orginazations like the NRA, ISRA, etc. must choose their battles carefully and choose ones that will advance their causes. Sorry, but in your case you chose to ignore existing ordnances and then voluntarily showed local LEO you were blatantly ignoring said ordnances. Your case simply isn't one that is realistically of interest in furthering the cause of those organizations. ESPECIALLY for a non-member. Fighting the ordnances, perhaps, but of your own admission you aren't really wanting to take them on - you just want your stuff back -- the stuff that you foolishly showed them so they could take in the first place. I feel for you, but to denigrate those organizations for not helping you out of a situation that was of your making is wrong. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Federal Farmer Posted June 23, 2015 at 09:54 PM Share Posted June 23, 2015 at 09:54 PM Jerze2387, please give me a call. I've sent you contact info in a pm. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerze2387 Posted June 29, 2015 at 08:05 PM Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 08:05 PM case closed Won. Unopposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplant Posted June 29, 2015 at 08:08 PM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 08:08 PM Fantastic! Are there any judgements or motions from the court that you can share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted June 29, 2015 at 09:30 PM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 09:30 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted June 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Gratz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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