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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:51 AM

ISRA up now. 

Who testified for ISRA?


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:05 AM

ISRA up now.

Who testified for ISRA?


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:11 AM

Senate Amendment 1 has been filed on HB38 Crim Cd - Place of Worship

Replaces everything after the enacting clause. Reinserts the provisions of the engrossed bill, except: (1) provides that aggravated battery committed by knowingly causing great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement is a Class 2 felony (rather than a Class 1 felony in the engrossed bill) when the person causes great bodily harm or permanent disability to an individual whom the person knows to be a member of a congregation engaged in prayer or other religious activities at a church, synagogue, mosque, or other building, structure, or place used for religious worship; and (2) provides that the offense of unlawful use of weapons also includes carrying or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, any firearm (rather than any firearm, knife, or other dangerous weapon in the engrossed bill) in a church, synagogue, mosque, or other building, structure, or place used for religious worship (deletes school).

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:28 AM

Reading of >8,000 witness slips, >6,200 of them being in opposition at the time of the hearing, is waived.

So is this to say that they just straight up ignored them? Was there a point to us filling them out?


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:29 AM

 

Reading of >8,000 witness slips, >6,200 of them being in opposition at the time of the hearing, is waived.

So is this to say that they just straight up ignored them? Was there a point to us filling them out?

 

If the anti's out number us, they make it a point to state that. So the purpose? So they can't use it against us. Also some reps will bring up the slip counts during floor debate.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:31 AM

Reading of >8,000 witness slips, >6,200 of them being in opposition at the time of the hearing, is waived.

So is this to say that they just straight up ignored them? Was there a point to us filling them out?


Yes, it shows that a majority of those who oppose this are more highly motivated than those who support it and are more likely to remember at the polls. It also shows pro-2A legislators that we are with them - we have their backs.

There just isn't time to read them all during a hearing, but they are in the record.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:31 AM

Ill be away for perhaps an hour.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:47 AM

Rep Wilhour says he look forward to to filing suit if this become laws, and is a heck no (and I didn't type "heck").

Hey, watch that language!  This is a kid-friendly website.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:58 AM

That language in HB38 :  "......great bodily harm or permanent disability to an individual whom the person knows to be a member of a congregation...……

 

That there, folks,  is a defense attorney's DREAM ! There are lots of attendees, visitors, etc. at churches and synagogues who are not members of the congregation.

 

DUH!

 

Maybe I'm missing something...…….Bueller, Bueller, Anyone?


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 12:07 PM

That language in HB38 :  "......great bodily harm or permanent disability to an individual whom the person knows to be a member of a congregation...……

 

That there, folks,  is a defense attorney's DREAM ! There are lots of attendees, visitors, etc. at churches and synagogues who are not members of the congregation.

 

DUH!

 

Maybe I'm missing something...…….Bueller, Bueller, Anyone?

It also doesn't specify member of THAT congregation, just any.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 12:25 PM

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AND, as usual, Willis seems 100% unwilling to bend on her bill, at all.
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No kidding. Some of us do.....
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 12:29 PM

Are there transcripts made of these committee hearings? I'd like to read all the diarrhea that poured out of Willis's mouth.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 12:53 PM

 

That language in HB38 :  "......great bodily harm or permanent disability to an individual whom the person knows to be a member of a congregation...……

 

That there, folks,  is a defense attorney's DREAM ! There are lots of attendees, visitors, etc. at churches and synagogues who are not members of the congregation.

 

DUH!

 

Maybe I'm missing something...…….Bueller, Bueller, Anyone?

It also doesn't specify member of THAT congregation, just any.

 

Yes, good point!   Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.  Bad laws are bad enough, but at least they shouldn't be sloppy!


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 12:57 PM

Are there transcripts made of these committee hearings? I'd like to read all the diarrhea that poured out of Willis's mouth.

Ive only seen transcripts for legislative sessions and never from committee that I recall.
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 12:58 PM

That language in HB38 :  "......great bodily harm or permanent disability to an individual whom the person knows to be a member of a congregation...
 
That there, folks,  is a defense attorney's DREAM ! There are lots of attendees, visitors, etc. at churches and synagogues who are not members of the congregation.
 
DUH!
 
Maybe I'm missing something....Bueller, Bueller, Anyone?


"Carrying or possessing with intent" is also a difficult standard to prove.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 12:59 PM

So in testimony today Willis was touting fingerprinting by the ISP for $28 instead of the $65-$75 Todd spoke to. Has anyone ever tried using them and gotten that price? Did you have to schedule an appt?
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:01 PM

That language in HB38 :  "......great bodily harm or permanent disability to an individual whom the person knows to be a member of a congregation...
 
That there, folks,  is a defense attorney's DREAM ! There are lots of attendees, visitors, etc. at churches and synagogues who are not members of the congregation.
 
DUH!
 
Maybe I'm missing something....Bueller, Bueller, Anyone?


"Carrying or possessing with intent" is also a difficult standard to prove.

Bingo!

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:03 PM

These DEM ILLannoy legislators are so inept..............can't we somehow get them promoted to Congress in Washington?


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:03 PM

Are there transcripts made of these committee hearings? I'd like to read all the diarrhea that poured out of Willis's mouth.


Will let you know.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:09 PM

So in testimony today Willis was touting fingerprinting by the ISP for $28.............................

 

If she is adamant that $28 is not a burden to exercise the 2nd, then lets apply the same $28 fingerprints on exercising all rights, including the 1st and 26th, then at least I will get my moneys worth  :)

 

Or is the obvious double standard in effect?


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:19 PM

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:21 PM

So in testimony today Willis was touting fingerprinting by the ISP for $28.............................

If she is adamant that $28 is not a burden to exercise the 2nd, then lets apply the same $28 fingerprints on exercising all rights, including the 1st and 26th, then at least I will get my moneys worth  :)
 
Or is the obvious double standard in effect?
She did not say it was not a burden but trying to offset statements about prints costing closer to $100. First I heard of ISP doing printing and I suspect its not easy to get done. Never been printed and have no immediate need or plan to. Enjoyed bringing up the voter comparison and they jumped in on how that was different.
 

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:23 PM

The House stands adjourned until 5/22/2019 @ 11:00 AM.

The Senate previously adjourned until 5/22 @ 12:30 PM.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:24 PM

I wonder if she was taking about ISP's fee for doing the background check with the prints?
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:26 PM

She did not say it was not a burden but trying to offset statements about prints costing closer to $100. First I heard of ISP doing printing and I suspect its not easy to get done. Never been printed and have no immediate need or plan to. 

 

Her entire argument is an implied intent is to show that fingerpringing is not a an excessive burden to exercise the right.

 

 

 

Enjoyed bringing up the voter comparison and they jumped in on how that was different.

 

It's only different because they choose to apply two different sets of standards to rights.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:46 PM

 

 

So in testimony today Willis was touting fingerprinting by the ISP for $28.............................

If she is adamant that $28 is not a burden to exercise the 2nd, then lets apply the same $28 fingerprints on exercising all rights, including the 1st and 26th, then at least I will get my moneys worth  :)
 
Or is the obvious double standard in effect?
She did not say it was not a burden but trying to offset statements about prints costing closer to $100. First I heard of ISP doing printing and I suspect its not easy to get done. Never been printed and have no immediate need or plan to. Enjoyed bringing up the voter comparison and they jumped in on how that was different.
 

 

She had the gall to ask "Has voting ever killed anyone".  And, frankly the Rs in the room dropped the ball in response.  Because, YES, in fact, voting does on a regular basis.  People that have voted for the idiots that created GFZ laws, just to start.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:47 PM

I wonder if she was taking about ISP's fee for doing the background check with the prints?

This is Rep Willis we are talking about.  I am pretty sure, she is just flat wrong, and made the figure up.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:55 PM

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 01:56 PM

I wonder if she was taking about ISP's fee for doing the background check with the prints?


This is Rep Willis we are talking about.  I am pretty sure, she is just flat wrong, and made the figure up.


She's just saying what she was told to say.
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 02:02 PM

She had the gall to ask "Has voting ever killed anyone".  And, frankly the Rs in the room dropped the ball in response.  Because, YES, in fact, voting does on a regular basis.  People that have voted for the idiots that created GFZ laws, just to start.


Beyond that, her analogy is deeply flawed.

The Second Amendments protects a right to keep and bear arms, not a right to commit murder. There is no right to commit murder.

And it's Chicago's murder problem she claims to want to solve, right?




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