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#91 cybermgk

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:38 AM

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:38 AM

Rep Wilhour says he look forward to to filing suit if this become laws, and is a heck no (and I didn't type "heck").

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:40 AM

Passed 12-7 even though several Dems had concerns


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:40 AM

Voting yes to get bill out of committee, even though opposed to bill?

Is that just to keep bill alive?
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:40 AM

On a vote 127/0 SB1966 will be favorably reported to the floor. Many of those aye votes expressed concern about the costs, etc but voted to get he bill out of committee.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:41 AM

On a vote 127/0 SB1966 will be favorably reported to the floor. Many of those aye votes expressed concern about the costs, etc but voted to get he bill out of committee.


Is there a breakdown of who voted yes. I couldn't hear it all

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:42 AM

Didn't hear any concerns from Zalewski who recently claimed to be proud that he ranks above an F with the NRA.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:42 AM

On a vote 127/0 SB1966 will be favorably reported to the floor. Many of those aye votes expressed concern about the costs, etc but voted to get he bill out of committee.

Yes, expecting the usual  Dem promise of a floor amendment.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:42 AM

What is the point of committee if you just pass every bill out? Other than witness slips and testimony.
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:42 AM

On a vote 127/0 SB1966 will be favorably reported to the floor. Many of those aye votes expressed concern about the costs, etc but voted to get he bill out of committee.


Is there a breakdown of who voted yes. I couldn't hear it all


Not yet, but there should be soon.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:43 AM

Well, another bill that WILL be challenged in the courts, and likely a step closer to eradicating the FOID system.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:44 AM

What is the point of committee if you just pass every bill out? Other than witness slips and testimony.

You're assuming the Dems actually care about their oaths and the Constitution and what is right.  And they waived hearing about Witness slips.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:45 AM

Well, another bill that WILL be challenged in the courts, and likely a step closer to eradicating the FOID system.

 

Right on!



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:46 AM

Lol that's some silver lining kind of thought.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:47 AM

Well, another bill that WILL be challenged in the courts, and likely a step closer to eradicating the FOID system.


Thats why Im not up in arms yet. Lots of less financially secure people can file suit with help of the bigger orgs and get this tossed. Theres is a solid case and it can be fought. Prepare the lawyers. Ill happily contribute to the plaintiff fund.

In the meantime, if someone could compile a short video of all of the stuff Willis had to say (or not say via ignoring it) that makes it show she doesnt care about the constitution or about underprivileged people, that could be used against her

Edited by steveTA84, 21 May 2019 - 09:49 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:48 AM

Well, another bill that WILL be challenged in the courts, and likely a step closer to eradicating the FOID system.



That’s why I’m not up in arms yet. Lots of less financially secure people can file suit with help of the bigger orgs and get this tossed. There’s is a solid case and it can be fought. Prepare the lawyers. I’ll happily contribute to the plaintiff fund


And we can call it "the indigent fund", just like Willis.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:49 AM

Well, another bill that WILL be challenged in the courts, and likely a step closer to eradicating the FOID system.

Thats why Im not up in arms yet. Lots of less financially secure people can file suit with help of the bigger orgs and get this tossed. Theres is a solid case and it can be fought. Prepare the lawyers. Ill happily contribute to the plaintiff fund
And we can call it "the indigent fund", just like Willis.

LOL. Love it

Way I see it as why not everyone toss $25 towards it. If it becomes law, well be paying more than that anyways when renewal comes, so lets get ready to fight it now

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:52 AM

 

Well, another bill that WILL be challenged in the courts, and likely a step closer to eradicating the FOID system.



That’s why I’m not up in arms yet. Lots of less financially secure people can file suit with help of the bigger orgs and get this tossed. There’s is a solid case and it can be fought. Prepare the lawyers. I’ll happily contribute to the plaintiff fund

 

 

That is exactly right.  We will not gain ground anywhere in this state by the legislative process, even though I freely give credit where credit is due to those who, like the members of this site, fight the good fight. 

 

We need to take a page from our LGBTQ friends and sue, sue, sue.  After all, we would not have any form of carry if not for the courts.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:52 AM

I was commuting to work while this was going on. Is there an archived audio/video of it anywhere by chance?



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:53 AM

The Senate has been in session about 6 or 7 minutes.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:54 AM

There is nothing guaranteed about any court case.  Just look at Peruta in California.  I seem to remember vows that the FFL Dealer Licensing law would be challenged in court and I have not seen any case regarding that yet.  The real challenge is first funding all of these cases that everyone wants to bring and, second, actually winning them. Much better to stop them at the legislative level but gun owners have to actually vote their interests in the next election rather than just voting for a party or failing to vote.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 09:56 AM

There is nothing guaranteed about any court case.  Just look at Peruta in California.  I seem to remember vows that the FFL Dealer Licensing law would be challenged in court and I have not seen any case regarding that yet.  The real challenge is first funding all of these cases that everyone wants to bring and, second, actually winning them. Much better to stop them at the legislative level but gun owners have to actually vote their interests in the next election rather than just voting for a party or failing to vote.

 

This is true, there is nothing guaranteed.  But I like having a fighting chance, which is something we will simply not get in this rigged legislative system.   



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:16 AM

ISP representative is avoiding direct answers about FOID act.  He is BASICALLY also saying they support the bill because they will get more funds, and are currently unable to do what they are already tasked with under FOID.

Glad to see the ISP showing their true colors, infringing on rights is ok as long as they get more money. Nice job dodging questions too.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:18 AM

There is nothing guaranteed about any court case.  Just look at Peruta in California.  I seem to remember vows that the FFL Dealer Licensing law would be challenged in court and I have not seen any case regarding that yet.  The real challenge is first funding all of these cases that everyone wants to bring and, second, actually winning them. Much better to stop them at the legislative level but gun owners have to actually vote their interests in the next election rather than just voting for a party or failing to vote.

in my humble opinion relying on the courts is a defeatist attitude. We must fight every step of the way and try to prevent it from even getting that far.

There's no guarantee we win any of the steps, including in the courts.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:19 AM

The House is underway.

116 members are present.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:22 AM

Willis says Todd wasn't invited before, because they have butted heads before.  Basically she is saying in PC way, he wasn't because he wouldn't agree with her ideas.

Hard to believe sheep actually keep electing a wanna be tyrant that feels tax paying citizens should be excluded for having a different opinion.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:26 AM

On a vote 127/0
Wut
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:26 AM

 

 

AND, as usual, Willis seems 100% unwilling to bend on her bill, at all.

I respect that about her. If only we took the same approach.
0". No Compromises.

No kidding. Some of us do.....

 

Knock it off you guys !!! Bending over and giving something up for the false promise of them not takin even more is the "high road". anything else may cause those that hate us to not like us as much.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:33 AM

 

On a vote 127/0
Wut

 

It's actually 12 / 7 



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:43 AM

Knock it off you guys !!! Bending over and giving something up for the false promise of them not takin even more is the "high road". anything else may cause those that hate us to not like us as much.


No, that's not the high road. That's sometimes the reality of Illinois politics but the high road is a separate issue.




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